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I have been on the traditional forum since my membership, usually solely traditional, sometimes general or levines. maybe a few others. I noticed in the general sub forum that there is a custom sub forum. I don't really want to make waves, but it seems to me that lately the traditional forum has become a showcase for customs. although custom knives can be traditional in style they are custom knives just the same. I am not the only person that feels this way. Things are changing. It's not what it used to be. Maybe we can start a production slipjoint section? If I want to look at customs, I go to the Knifemakers or custom sub forum. seems like traditionals is the new custom forum Still a great forum, but as Dylan said. "the times they are a changin"
Just my 2 cents, sorry if I
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I'd rather it stay the way it is now, if I don't care to look I don't click to read :cool:

off topic, but

I don't care for how "strict" the forum is, but at any rate it is what it is... I just try not to post there for fear of messing up... Getting a PM that I did "something" wrong... Or my thread cut in half... Or a reply to a question... Cut up and moved to another forum...

It does not have that friendly feeling that it could have.. IMHO :o
 
I have to agree with So-Lo. I just had a post edited in the Trad. Forum. It wasn't off topic or disrespectful in any way. I don't think it violated any forum-specific rules. It is my first post in Traditional in a long time. I stopped visiting the forum partly because the slightest thread drift is cause for moderation. I think that a request maybe to edit it could have been made and I would have gladly honored it but to butcher a post with no cause isn't cool. I am not a trouble maker and don't appreciate having my posts edited or moderated as if I were. my 2 cents.

ETA: sorry for venting in your thread Navihawk
 
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I have to agree with So-Lo. I just had a post edited in the Trad. Forum. It wasn't off topic or disrespectful in any way. I don't think it violated any forum-specific rules. It is my first post in Traditional in a long time. I stopped visiting the forum partly because the slightest thread drift is cause for moderation. I think that a request maybe to edit it could have been made and I would have gladly honored it but to butcher a post with no cause isn't cool. I am not a trouble maker and don't appreciate having my posts edited or moderated as if I were. my 2 cents.

I have talked with a few people that feel the same way... :o
 
Well, I guess Pete's signature line only applies to some "Captains":

The Captain's Rules: 1. The Captain is always right.
2. If the Captain is wrong, see Rule #1.


It's a joke...relax.

Although in Pete's case I do believe his post warranted editing (per the current guidelines of the forum and I sent him a PM explaining why I hadn't had occasion to contact him earlier) there was certainly no thought on my part of his being disrespectful or otherwise rude or trouble-making in any way. If he truly thought that was my thinking, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

That said, I have asked Spark in concert with Gus to find a replacement for me as co-moderator of the Traditional Forum as an infusion of new blood will do the forum good. I trust that will go a long way toward resolving some of the issues extant in the forum (although I honestly feel that Navihawk's issue with the format to be much ado about nothing).

I wish you all the best and Happy Holidays.
 
That said, I have asked Spark in concert with Gus to find a replacement for me as co-moderator of the Traditional Forum as an infusion of new blood will do the forum good.

:o I hope this is NOT because of this thread, a few peoples opinions do not mean that the whole forum feels the same way. I'm sure you know that. :cool:

Maybe your doing too much of a good job?.... :confused: :)
 
Well, I guess Pete's signature line only applies to some "Captains":

The Captain's Rules: 1. The Captain is always right.
2. If the Captain is wrong, see Rule #1.


It's a joke...relax.

Although in Pete's case I do believe his post warranted editing (per the current guidelines of the forum and I sent him a PM explaining why I hadn't had occasion to contact him earlier) there was certainly no thought on my part of his being disrespectful or otherwise rude or trouble-making in any way. If he truly thought that was my thinking, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

That said, I have asked Spark in concert with Gus to find a replacement for me as co-moderator of the Traditional Forum as an infusion of new blood will do the forum good. I trust that will go a long way toward resolving some of the issues extant in the forum (although I honestly feel that Navihawk's issue with the format to be much ado about nothing).

I wish you all the best and Happy Holidays.

Maybe I was lashing out a bit and my thinking wasn't straight. My thinking at the time was that spotting deals or showing links to threads were going on as long as I remenber. Then it started getting stricter, at the same time custom makers got the nod. Looking at it at a bit of a distance I can see now that taking away the customs on the traditionals would be a bad thing. after all they are traditional.again I was lashing out.
Elliot, you are a great guy and I don't think you should end your moderator role. You sent me a PM the other day that explained a lot. You also mentioned that the bold font you use is to differentiate from moderator to poster. I think you should get rid of that. It looks like your yelling at people, not differentiating things. If you told people in a regular font, believe me, it would be a morerelaxing atmosphere.
As for the forum rules,Elliot if you posted up the forum rules like the way you wrote them in the pm you sent me it would sound like a more inviting place to be.
If you are getting burned out by moderating that's one thing, then you should quit, but keep posting. You may be happier. If you are doing it because you don't want to piss people off, then stay a moderator and relax a bit.
We are talking about knives, if we can't veer off topic for a minute we would go crazy. It should be a fun place and it is the best(traditionals) forum in the whole forum, in my opinion, and it has alot to do with Gus and yourself.
So to make a long story even longer, I think the customs should stay,I don't know what I was thinking. I think you should stay as a mod, just relax a bit. Who cares if we go on a rant about deer hearts for a thread or two. it's still about knives.
I don't want to leave this place, I like it here. I have some friend on here that I like and care about, even though I've never met them.

Everyone have a happy holliday,anyone Ipmed and said I was taking a break, forget what I said. I'm taking a few days off to relax. it's getting too hecktick befor Christmas.
Merry christmas everyone, and Elliot, don't take this stuff to heart. Keep on doing what your doing, just please , relax a bit.
Steve
 
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If I may say.....
Traditional has become my favorite forum on BF.
Both Gus and Elliot have been so helpful and patient in answering questions and advice this past year.

I enjoy having the custom traditional's with the factory knives as most traditional customs reflect factory designs and trends of a bygone era. It is also interesting to interact with custom makers and hear their views on factory knives of the past. No other forum has this interesting interaction.

The rather formal "on topic" atmosphere in traditional is to my liking. I have had a thread moved and I do understand that it can be somewhat frustrating. But the rules are there for all of us and those rules keep traditional free of much of the "detritus" which permeates other forums.

Elliot.......I realize that moderating can be a difficult job. However may I say that you do it excellently.
I would be very sorry to see you leave but I fully understand if you do.....Sometimes it is nice just to sit on the sidelines and relax after a long labour....

Both you and Gus do a wonderful job for us. I realize that nothing lasts forever but it is my hope that your moderating partnership will continue for a good long time to come.

Steven
 
If I may say.....
Traditional has become my favorite forum on BF.
Both Gus and Elliot have been so helpful and patient in answering questions and advice this past year.

I enjoy having the custom traditional's with the factory knives as most traditional customs reflect factory designs and trends of a bygone era. It is also interesting to interact with custom makers and hear their views on factory knives of the past. No other forum has this interesting interaction.

The rather formal "on topic" atmosphere in traditional is to my liking. I have had a thread moved and I do understand that it can be somewhat frustrating. But the rules are there for all of us and those rules keep traditional free of much of the "detritus" which permeates other forums.

Elliot.......I realize that moderating can be a difficult job. However may I say that you do it excellently.
I would be very sorry to see you leave but I fully understand if you do.....Sometimes it is nice just to sit on the sidelines and relax after a long labour....

Both you and Gus do a wonderful job for us. I realize that nothing lasts forever but it is my hope that your moderating partnership will continue for a good long time to come.

Steven

Well said :thumbup::thumbup: and I totally agree.

The holidays are a bad time to be making decisions, what with all the madcap shoppers and stupid drivers messin with our psyches and such. Peace on Earth and goodwill toward mods. :D
 
If I may say.....
Traditional has become my favorite forum on BF.
Both Gus and Elliot have been so helpful and patient in answering questions and advice this past year.

I enjoy having the custom traditional's with the factory knives as most traditional customs reflect factory designs and trends of a bygone era. It is also interesting to interact with custom makers and hear their views on factory knives of the past. No other forum has this interesting interaction.

The rather formal "on topic" atmosphere in traditional is to my liking. I have had a thread moved and I do understand that it can be somewhat frustrating. But the rules are there for all of us and those rules keep traditional free of much of the "detritus" which permeates other forums.

Elliot.......I realize that moderating can be a difficult job. However may I say that you do it excellently.
I would be very sorry to see you leave but I fully understand if you do.....Sometimes it is nice just to sit on the sidelines and relax after a long labour....

Both you and Gus do a wonderful job for us. I realize that nothing lasts forever but it is my hope that your moderating partnership will continue for a good long time to come.

Steven

I was trying to put some words together to post but you did a better job than I would have.

I do understand both sides as I've had posts edited as well...always with a explanation. I'd rather have the traditional forum a little over-moderated than the alternative. I appreciate the conversations that stay on topic. I'd probably feel differently if posts were being edited and the door slammed in my face when I asked why. That doesn't happen to the best of my knowledge as the mods have always been approachable and willing to explain their reasoning.
 
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I was trying to put some words together to post but you did a better job than I would have.

I do understand both sides as I've had posts edited as well...always with a explanation. I'd rather have the traditional forum a little over-moderated than the alternative. I appreciate the conversations that stay on topic. I'd probably feel differently if posts were being edited and the door slammed in my face when I asked why. That doesn't happen to the best of my knowledge as the mods have always been approachable and willing to explain their reasoning.

I see your point Morrow and Alfaholics, but to show a link to someone thats looking for something specific, I don't see anything wrong with that.We have been doing that for a long time, or as long as I've been on there. The custom guys get a nod also. and the traditionals is the most laid back.
I also don;t think there is anything wrong with going off topic for a thread or two to lighten things up a bit. You can only talk about bone jigging so much before you make a joke or something to lighten things up. I think we all do a pretty good job of staying on topic.
 
As just one of many custom makers that visit the traditional forum on a regular basis I can try and tell everyone how much I have learned about old knives and how I have tried to incorporate this knowledge and respect for the old master cutlers into the knives I build. I can think of no other forum or sub forum on the "net" that has or would allow me to grow this way.

Traditional being "strict" (not my best choice of word) is what makes it work as well as it does. Thanks in large part due to Gus and Elliott

Elliott,

I support you in whatever you choose, however on a personal note I hope you stay as Mod. You can be proud to know that what you have helped build here in a cyber world full of less than nice things, is a nice thing.

Ken
 
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I see your point Morrow and Alfaholics, but to show a link to someone thats looking for something specific, I don't see anything wrong with that.We have been doing that for a long time, or as long as I've been on there. The custom guys get a nod also. and the traditionals is the most laid back.
I also don;t think there is anything wrong with going off topic for a thread or two to lighten things up a bit. You can only talk about bone jigging so much before you make a joke or something to lighten things up. I think we all do a pretty good job of staying on topic.

You make some good points and I don't disagree with you. I've had posts edited for that very reason. :)
The response was always the same....thanks for helping to answer the person's question but please do though PM or email to avoid deal spotting. I think it should be fine to post that info in the thread but so be it. It wasn't an issue worth making a fuss out of. I'll take 99% good / 1% needs improvement any day of the week. :D
 
If I may say.....
Traditional has become my favorite forum on BF.
Both Gus and Elliot have been so helpful and patient in answering questions and advice this past year.

I enjoy having the custom traditional's with the factory knives as most traditional customs reflect factory designs and trends of a bygone era. It is also interesting to interact with custom makers and hear their views on factory knives of the past. No other forum has this interesting interaction.

The rather formal "on topic" atmosphere in traditional is to my liking. I have had a thread moved and I do understand that it can be somewhat frustrating. But the rules are there for all of us and those rules keep traditional free of much of the "detritus" which permeates other forums.

Elliot.......I realize that moderating can be a difficult job. However may I say that you do it excellently.
I would be very sorry to see you leave but I fully understand if you do.....Sometimes it is nice just to sit on the sidelines and relax after a long labour....

Both you and Gus do a wonderful job for us. I realize that nothing lasts forever but it is my hope that your moderating partnership will continue for a good long time to come.

Steven

Well put Steven! I agree 100%.

Paul
 
Blues and I have discussed his reasoning for editing my post and I seem to have jumped the gun. I can see 100% where he was coming from and I appreciate his attentiveness to a small slice of BFC that he cherishes. So FWIW I apologize for my hasty complaint and realize that I did in fact violate one of the rules of the forum. I also appreciate your patience and understanding and the fantastic job that you have been doing. It takes a special person to devote that much time and effort to something that they love.

Thanks Blues.

Pete

ETA- I am not going to edit my original post. I was incorrect in my reasoning behind Elliot's editing of my post and I don't want to hide that fact.

ETA again- I will, as penance for my transgression, carry my Case yellow CV peanut to appease the "Folksy Ones" :D
 
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It's a thankless job and I'm glad Elliott and Gus have taken the time to be there for the rest of us. With that said, I support whatever you do Elliott.
 
As just one of many custom makers that visit the traditional forum on a regular basis I can try and tell everyone how much I have learned about old knives and how I have tried to incorporate this knowledge and respect for the old master cutlers into the knives I build. I can think of no other forum or sub forum on the "net" that has or would allow me to grow this way.

Traditional being "strict" (not my best choice of word) is what makes it work as well as it does. Thanks in large part due to Gus and Elliott

Elliott,

I support you in whatever you choose, however on a personal note I hope you stay as Mod. You can be proud to know that what you have helped build here in a cyber world full of less than nice things, is a nice thing.

Ken

Ken I don't have any beefs with you custom guys. I just didn't think it was fair for all you guys to get he glory and the sellers of production knives getting left out for "deal spotting", which was never a problem before. You guys make nice nknives and should be agnowledged for it. You should stay in traditionals also. Again, I will say I was lashing out in frustration because I was getting infractions right and left, and nobody can deny that.I took it up with Elliot and we understand each other. I just feel things could be a little more relaxed instead of being rigid about staying on topic 100% of the time.
I hope Blues stays a mod too and I told him so. I just want to be in a relaxed atmosphere and enjoy talking about knives. I see no big deal going off topic once in a while. We are all supposed to be friends here. Traditionals is the only forum I frequent here 99% of the time as well as many others. If I have a sharpening question that I want specific people to see,I don't want it put in embellishment.
Just using that as an example. Nothing wrong with the embelishment forum.
I'm sure I'm not making any friends by starting this thread.
Merry Christmas everyone.
Steve
 
My post wasn't in reference to anything you wrote or said, Navihawk. It was about the job that Elliott and Gus do for all of us as moderators.
 
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The more I think about this, the more it reminds me of a marriage.
It doesn't matter how smoothly things go, there are always going to be little things that come up and cause friction..

Our little community has gotten along so well, for so long, something was bound to flair up.

Elliott and Gus are the ones that have built the Traditional sub-forum into what it is IMHO. They have done a great job of making sure that the arguing, and trash talking that happens on other forums, doesn't happen here. At the same time being helpful and welcoming to new members.. It would be a huge loss for all of us, to lose part of the team IMO.

I too would like Traditional to stay relaxed. I think that is one thing that really draws new members, and makes them want to spend time there. I know its a tough balancing act for the mods though, to keep it relaxed, but not have people start skirting the rules. Elliott and Gus have done a great job, and people know before they come in to our little house, they need to watch where they step. Thats not a bad thing....




Mike
 
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