Traditional forum

[CL01]

Being a Mod myself (On a much smaller & "different" type of Forum), I can see both sides of the coin here.

A Mod needs to keep the "ship" going smoothly & perhaps, in this case, not let it become a "free for all." However, sometimes one can get a little "into" what they're doing.

The members are here enjoying themselves & I have to say, the Traditional Forum is my favorite section. I don't mind the customs, but I also don't see a problem if an old pattern is shown (Maybe for a comparison) in a thread showing customs & visa versa.

A previous poster mentioned that they'd rather the Traditional Forum "error" on the side of stricter, rather than looser standards. I can see why one would prefer that. Personally, I'd rather "error" a little looser (More conservative). If a certain type of behaviour keeps repeating itself, then I can see strictness. I'm in no way trying to or attempting to tell ANY Mod how to do their job (I'm certainly not one to say that). I'm just saying that, as far as the Traditional Forum is concerned, it's a pretty tight Forum already. The language is clean, people seem more respectful, & it's just plain fun. Gives you the feeling that if you meet one of the members (Ones who in it most of the time), that if you met them at a show or something, it would quickly turn from aquaintence on the net to friends. I don't think it needs to be as tightly modded as some others do.

The bottom line though, is I think Blues does a great job as does Bastid. The old Kershaw Forum used to be my favorite Forum & it wasn't so much because of the knives as it was the members. I'm much more interested in traditionals, but that's partly because of the Forum. I've had them, but certainly didn't EDC them like I do now.

The knowledge on the Forum & respectfulness of the members is what makes it what it is, great. The great pics don't hurt either (Both customs, current production, & old models).

 

[chromedome1954]

I agree with the original posting about this.
I love the traditional forum and spend most of my time there now.

My feelings on this are like my feelings on firearms.
If I look through a gun magazine and see articles on stock glocks,sigs,rugers,berettas and CZ's---I like that and read those articles. but when the mag is mostly full of $2000 and up custom guns---I get annoyed because I am not interested in them and cannot afford them and most of my shooting buddies enjoy "stock" or production guns like me.

So, when I look through the traditional forum and read about production knives I am interested and pleased. When I see lots of custom threads--it does not interest me. I know I'm not going to spend the money on one. I have no interest in reading about them. I think it is better to separate them.
It would target the interested audiences better.

Just one guy's opinion.

 

[Thomason]

Think of like this, chromedome1954, for about the same price as a new firearm you could afford one of the those custom slip joints. After all this is a knife forum.

 

[VCM3]

Customs,or Productions,folders/fixed..Whatever the discussion.Whatever the forum,it will need a moderator to keep an eye on it to stay on topic & on track
It's gotta be a tricky fine line,to be a mod.,IMHO,but it has to be fair.
I have no probs with the trad forum mods,I enjoy the forum
I think they do a pretty good job,sometimes possibly all the right stuff gets lined up & you'll get a thread such as this.Sometimes you just need to crack a beer & lurk,that's my Rx if you need a break,and that goes for forumites & mod's too
Thats my contribution to this thread
-Vince

 

[navihawk]

Sounds like good advice Vince.

 

[Bastid]

When I look at the trad forum today, I see threads on a new case book written by a respected member, imperials, a new barlow, the 2009 Trad forum knife into production and threads on Customs, scout knives, Queen Russlocks and Bucks. So I am a little confused why the OP thinks the forum is about customs. Looking at that first page right now I see a very good mix of subjects. So I really do not see how it can be concluded that it is mostly about customs.

We have several makers who put forth a lot of effort and contribute to the Trad forum. I want all of them to feel welcome as well as the collectors of antique knives. That forum is important to a lot of folks. I am willing to listen to any thoughts that will improve, but keep the place in a respectful and homey atmosphere. A lot of friends and relationships have been made there. I hope we can keep that type of interaction based on respect going and I do not see much of a change at all since the forum was created. There has been some growth, but the atmosphere of the forum has not changed that much. Blues and I work well together, I hope he will hang in there. I know I will not hang around if the desire is to let the Trad forum go and be filled with the animosity and cat-fighting seen in other venues. If that is what is desired by some, then the traditional forum may not be the place for them. (at least for now.) Blues works tirelessly to keep commercialism out of Trad. and he has nothing but 100% of my friendship and support here and in life for whatever he decides although selfishly I hope he remains.

 

[navihawk]

When I look at the trad forum today, I see threads on a new case book written by a respected member, imperials, a new barlow, the 2009 Trad forum knife into production and threads on Customs, scout knives, Queen Russlocks and Bucks. So I am a little confused why the OP thinks the forum is about customs. Looking at that first page right now I see a very good mix of subjects. So I really do not see how it can be concluded that it is mostly about customs.

We have several makers who put forth a lot of effort and contribute to the Trad forum. I want all of them to feel welcome as well as the collectors of antique knives. That forum is important to a lot of folks. I am willing to listen to any thoughts that will improve, but keep the place in a respectful and homey atmosphere. A lot of friends and relationships have been made there. I hope we can keep that type of interaction based on respect going and I do not see much of a change at all since the forum was created. There has been some growth, but the atmosphere of the forum has not changed that much. Blues and I work well together, I hope he will hang in there. I know I will not hang around if the desire is to let the Trad forum go and be filled with the animosity and cat-fighting seen in other venues. If that is what is desired by some, then the traditional forum may not be the place for them. (at least for now.) Blues works tirelessly to keep commercialism out of Trad. and he has nothing but 100% of my friendship and support here and in life for whatever he decides although selfishly I hope he remains.

I never said it was mostly customs Gus, I said it was a showcase for them. A bit confusing when there's a custom forum here. Again, I have no problem with the custom guys posting their traditional knives in traditionals. I was just pissed off from being chased and I was lashing out a bit. Please read my PM.If you mods want me to leave, say so. I've done nothing wrong and people have emailed me telling me to stick around because they enjoy my posts.let me know.
Merry Christmas,
Steve

 

[Blues]

I was just pissed off from being chased and I was lashing out a bit. Please read my PM.If you mods want me to leave, say so. I've done nothing wrong and people have emailed me telling me to stick around because they enjoy my posts.let me know.
Merry Christmas,
Steve

I'm not sure what that "chased" is supposed to mean, Steve, since there isn't a single infraction on your account and anytime I have ever had occasion to take any action regarding a post of yours (for any reason), I have always followed it up with an explanation via PM. And let's face it, we're only talking about a few instances in total.

Add to that that nobody has ever suggested that you were anything but welcome in the forum and I don't really get this whole persecution complex you seem to be exhibiting.

On the one hand you commend me for taking the time and explaining things to you privately via PM (when in your replies you state that everything is cool and apologize if you overreacted), and then on the other hand you continue to lash out.

I have nothing further to add and didn't even intend to reply to this but felt I needed to make the observation.

I want to take a moment to thank those who have shown support both privately and publicly.

With that said, I will reiterate that I intend to leave the day to day administration of the forum in Gus' capable hands (along with whomever he and Spark designate to assist in that endeavor).

I intend to return to the general oversight responsibilities of a super moderator as I have done for several years now. This should render moot any issues that Navihawk or other forum dissidents may have had during my tenure.

 

[navihawk]

I guess it's back to me. Sorry if I disrupted the community. I will sign off now. BTW, I got the Case back and its perfect now.
Everyone, have a Merry christmas and I hope you all the best.Take care everyone.
Steve

 

[navihawk]

This should render moot any issues that Navihawk or other forum dissidents may have had during my tenure.

Are you kidding me? this should moot any issues that Navihawk or other forum dissidents may have during my tenure. What a joke. The badge avatar must help inflate your ego a bit more. Then you take PM's (private messages btw and make them public) 2 of them you didn't even answer, so yeah I was a bit miffed.I'm sure you will delete this post as not to embarass yourself. If I were you Elliot, I would be a little more humbling right now because you are losing friends fast.
Ban me if you feel the need.

 

[Blues]

Then you take PM's (private messages btw and make them public) 2 of them you didn't even answer, so yeah I was a bit miffed.
Ban me if you feel the need.

I haven't a clue what you're talking about, Steve. Where have I posted your PM's? I haven't even retained copies for myself. I think it's time for you to seek help or take your issues up with someone else.

From Answers.com:

Dissident:

adj.
Disagreeing, as in opinion or belief.

n.
One who disagrees; a dissenter.

I think that pretty much speaks for itself. The point being, in case you missed it, Steve, that I will no longer be moderating the Traditional Forum so you and anyone else who shares your feelings should be able to rest easy. Period.

 

[Trent Rock]

I stopped visiting the forum partly because the slightest thread drift is cause for moderation. I think that a request maybe to edit it could have been made and I would have gladly honored it but to butcher a post with no cause isn't cool.

I agree
I have had posts edited by a mod in Tradtional Forum as well
Along with this===> "and whether you prefer gimp shields or not is not germane to the discussion"
(I had said ,jokingly, that I recently preferred gimp shields over bar shileds
Yet, another guy posted in the same thread)

Never been a big fan of it the bar shield on knives, however

And his post was not edited/deleted

If a thread is "off topic"
Why not let the forum members police themselves
Via the report button?

Regarding the custom knife spam
I would prefer not to see custom knives in the Trad forum that are for SALE
I think most of the ones Ken Erickson posted are already sold?
As long as it's not like "Hey guys!! Check out this custom whittler I just made..Contact me if you want to buy it...."
It just reeks of spam..IMHO
I feel the same about posting threads or constant reference to a book coming out or spamming for the CKCA in The Custom Forums....

In general, I do think BF pretty good about controlling blatant spam....:thumbup:

 

[navihawk]

I haven't a clue what you're talking about, Steve. Where have I posted your PM's? I haven't even retained copies for myself. I think it's time for you to seek help or take your issues up with someone else.

From Answers.com:

Dissident:

adj.
Disagreeing, as in opinion or belief.

n.
One who disagrees; a dissenter.

I think that pretty much speaks for itself. The point being, in case you missed it, Steve, that I will no longer be moderating the Traditional Forum so you and anyone else who shares your feelings should be able to rest easy. Period.

You didn't post my pms but you had made reference to them. And yes I do have problems with my memory and I am seeking help for that.You don't have to quote nouns and adjectives to me. I'm not an idiot.
You also banned a person with depression, we all know who, which probably made his problem worse.Sure he made a double identity which is wrong to do but the person has an illness. he was a nice guy. I can think of at least one moderator with two identities but thats ok though.... hey,look above, another unhappy camper. We could go on but I think we've insulted each other enough Elliot. maybe this BS will blow away after a while and we can become civil again. I have had fights with friends.Growing up friends. True friends can overcome disagreements and move forward.I'm not a bad guy and you know it.
If anyone else has the guts to come out and say how they feel about how the trend is going in the traditional forum speak up. good or bad, and yes, there is a double standard. i don't care what anyone says.

 

[roughedges]

I understand the intent of being strict in traditional. If there weren't certain rules in place, I think there would eventually be little to differentiate it from the general forums. That being said, I've also seen posts moved that made little sense to me but never with malice or rudeness and, almost always, with a polite public explanation.

IMO, no one is served by Blues stepping down over the objections of one person who appears to be becoming more and more unreasonable with each post in this thread. Not the community and, least of all, not Gus. I do think the rules could be relaxed just a little, that doing so might even be to the benefit of the forum, but this does not seem to me the proper answer.

 

[navihawk]

I understand the intent of being strict in traditional. If there weren't certain rules in place, I think there would eventually be little to differentiate it from the general forums. That being said, I've also seen posts moved that made little sense to me but never with malice or rudeness and, almost always, with a polite public explanation.

IMO, no one is served by Blues stepping down over the objections of one person who appears to be becoming more and more unreasonable with each post in this thread. Not the community and, least of all, not Gus. I do think the rules could be relaxed just a little, that doing so might even be to the benefit of the forum, but this does not seem to me the proper answer.

Sorry dude, I don't think I'm becoming more and more unreasonable. I'm very reasonable. Read my posts for the last four years. I just happen to be pissed off right now.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

Posting when pissed off is like posting when drunk. Go do something else, calm down, and you may come back to make a more coherent argument.

 

[roughedges]

Sorry dude, I don't think I'm becoming more and more unreasonable. I'm very reasonable. Read my posts for the last four years. I just happen to be pissed off right now.

IMO, no one is served by Blues stepping down over the objections of one person who appears to be becoming more and more unreasonable with each post in this thread.

I meant what I said. And it seems true, in this thread.

 

[Kbrasmodeler]

Navihawk, I have enjoyed your posts often in the Traditionals sub-forum. However, I really think you are over-reacting. We all love that sub-forum, and I think it is because of the strict way it is moderated. Elliot does a thankless, difficult job, and he does it well.

I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish here:

Are you kidding me? this should moot any issues that Navihawk or other forum dissidents may have during my tenure. What a joke. The badge avatar must help inflate your ego a bit more.

followed by:

True friends can overcome disagreements and move forward.

Did you try to start a fight just to try and prove you are Elliot's friend? I fail to see the logic.

Elliot, please don't let anyone make you leave the Traditionals S/F. You are not just needed. You are wanted.

 

[Spark]

Yeah, basically the more of this I read, the more I support Blues. Sorry. I'd suggest those of you who have worked up their blood pressure take a few giant steps away from the computer and come back when they've cooled down

 

[Blues]

You also banned a person with depression, we all know who, which probably made his problem worse.Sure he made a double identity which is wrong to do but the person has an illness.

I did not ban the person you are referring to. He was banned by the owner of this site. (I did, however, discover the second account which was terminated.)

Beyond that, I have nothing further to add to this discussion as I've taken all the steps I can to alleviate the perceived problems. It will be up to Gus and any future forum moderator to make amendments to the current guidelines or to completely revamp them. To those who feel they have been wronged, I apologize. To those who are my friends and supporters, I thank you.

And to Gus, I sincerely apologize for any hardship my decision has created for you.