Traditionals outnumbering moderns

they don't own the place, but as one of the last traditional knife companies still standing they may dominate the market currently. Queen/S&M, Canal Street once were also contenders for production traditional knives and have faded due to their closing, but Canal has come back with limited engagements. They still have market share as their knives are still good, despite Queen/S&M's quality control. Plus there is always Case which some may see as the McDs of traditional knives. Millions of knives sold and plenty of happy customers.
On another forum is a discussion with the buyer of the Queen/S&M machinery in the recent auction. He stated that Blue Grass bought the S&M name and equipment and after moving and setup intend to resurrect the line. Will be interesting to see what happens.
 
I myself have been a knife nut for a long time, as have many of you, and as a result I've collected and still collect a lot of spyderco's and benchmade knives.

I don't really collect, I just over accumulate users. I went through a phase where I bought Benchmade and Spyderco, but other than the Centofante 3 and 4, the cutting performance and/or the ergos just weren't up to par and the prices made my nose bleed. That's a bad combination. I still carry the Centofante 4 when I go running, but none of my other moderns get any pocket time.
 
Out of curiosity, what two Case knives do you own?

These ones my friend.
1 large stockman XX and 1 medium. These are around £70-80 each in the uk!!

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I have, use and enjoy both traditional and modern knives. My two brands are Great Eastern Cutlery and Spyderco because they, in their own fashion, are innovators and make high quality knives at reasonable prices. No reason to forsake one for the other.
 
These ones my friend.
1 large stockman XX and 1 medium. These are around £70-80 each in the uk!!

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wow... that's a little pricey... probably almost double what they would cost here, I imagine... can't remember the exact exchange rate right now, probably about 1.4-1... if you have a chance shoot me an email at drew.phillips54@att.net
 
Sometimes one hand opening is nice to have. Don’t need it, don’t have to use it. I find it odd to put down an entire class of knives just because one doesn’t care for them. I think all knives have their uses, advantages and detriments depending on circumstance and the person involved.
 
Sometimes one hand opening is nice to have. Don’t need it, don’t have to use it.

That's true. If I'm in a situation where I need to, I can open most of my traditionals one-handed if my hands are dry. If they're not pinchable, a forefinger nail in the nick, push with thumb and second finger, transition to a thumb/forefinger pinch, and Bob's your uncle.
 
image.jpg I go back and forth... I usually have a traditional on me and sometimes add a modern. I depart for river operations tomorrow for a month. The wallet gets stowed away when I get on and put back in my pocket after my 28 days, so the white owl may not get a bunch of attention. Looking forward to getting acquainted with the Washington jack though. Good day to all
 
One thing that got old for me even though I don't recall it actually effecting my knife buying habits was the market being driven by the latest thing they've convinced people they won't be able to live without.
It seems a lot of things many people find " necessary " about their modern folders are things the designers and manufacturers have simply convinced people they needed.
There's nothing wrong with conveniences and getting used to them, but I was able to be honest with myself in the fact that I didn't really need these conveniences that I had gotten used to.
They never stopped being convenient I just realized they weren't necessarily better or at all a real must for me and I'm perfectly fine with the time it takes to open a two handed traditional folder.
On occasion I have needed to finagle my knife open one handed but not often.
 
One thing that got old for me even though I don't recall it actually effecting my knife buying habits was the market being driven by the latest thing they've convinced people they won't be able to live without.
It seems a lot of things many people find " necessary " about their modern folders are things the designers and manufacturers have simply convinced people they needed.
There's nothing wrong with conveniences and getting used to them, but I was able to be honest with myself in the fact that I didn't really need these conveniences that I had gotten used to.
They never stopped being convenient I just realized they weren't necessarily better or at all a real must for me and I'm perfectly fine with the time it takes to open a two handed traditional folder.
On occasion I have needed to finagle my knife open one handed but not often.

What most people don't realize, and this includes knife nuts, the whole modern knife thing is an artificially created phenomenon to stimulate market sales and continued sales. It has very very little to do with giving the end consumer a "better" knife, but to create a continuing market driven by the "next step up that you absolutely have to have."

Look back in time to a hundred years ago, or even two hundred years. What did the working cowboy pushing some ornery long horns up the trail to the railheads carry, or a freight wagon driver pulling a load of goods to the destination? Or some poor sailor working a square rigger around the horn to San Fransisco in the 1800's? Or even just a humble store clerck in a dry goods store?

They had single blade lock blades in the 1800's. When John Wilkes Booth was killed at Garrets barn in 1865, he had a folding dagger on him. Its on display at the Fords Theater museum in Washington D.C.. Its a nice one, with bone handles and a slim spear point blade. But the lock backs never were really popular with the working men. Not like the humble Barlow and other two blade jacks like the harness jacks, congress patterns. Or the cattle knife, or its genesis the premium stockman.

One hand opening? Most folks never gave it much thought because it was not an issue in working for living. If they did need a one hand knife, they had the original one hand knife; the sheath knife. It wasn't broken so it wasn't called a fixed blade back then like they are called now. Certainly some cowpoke dealing with half broke horses or branding wild cattle for a drive needed a good knife in his daily job description. But a simple jack seemed to do. Factory workers and shipping clerks the same.

The problem was after WW2, there was a great migration to the cities and better jobs. Returning GI's didn't want to back to daddies farm. Life in the cites and office jobs, warehouse jobs, delivery truck jobs, all changed the course of life in American. My own father was a prime example. He came from a working watermen family but he never returned to the eastern shore of Maryland. He moved to Washington D.C. for his new job and settled there. The new climate, the office cubicle, made a knife something not really needed anymore. By the 1970's a number of large U.S. knife companies were belly up with more following. The pocket knife market was dying. So, they came up with a new idea; promote the knife a thats part survival tool, and part tactical weapon in case of Russian paratroopers or the end of the world as we know it. The 1980's saw the birth of the tactical knife market. The sale of the knife as a ego driven fantasy cult worship object. A knife with certain features that were dubious in nature and questionable need. One company even showed their knife was capable of piercing a car door. Must have been some rogue Chevy's out there. I guess the office cubicle can be a dangerous place.

But, what do I know. I'm an old curmudgeon that doubts a lot of the new stuff. I guess in all those times I needed a knife, I somehow survived with a old fashioned pull it open slip joint. I must have been very lucky. I've been up on ladders and didn't need to one hand open a knife, in spite cutting painters tape. I've been out in the boonies lots of times, but never needed a folding knife strong enough to pry open a tank hatch. Heck, I've even been off to war in a hot jungle in Southeast Asia and got by with a regular pocket knife. If I absolutely needed something more, they gave us this pointy thing that fit on the end of our M16's called a bayonet. The supply room had lots of Camillus made TL-29's and 'demo' knives to hand out.

The so called conveniences they sell don't really mean much in the real world. Not compared to the convenience of having multiple blades available that have not only different edges, but different blade shapes for different jobs. Like the sheep foot of a stockman, or the screw driver tool on a scout knife. I tried a modern knife, once. Once was enough to experience the limitation of having just one blade that half the time was too big and awkward or doesn't have the most simple tool to improvise with.
 
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. . . Having grown up before there were such things as modern/tactical knives, I don't own many of them. When I finally got around to trying them I went through about a dozen before I found the one for me, and then I stopped. Haven't bought another one in two years, and don't plan to.
. . . I also have all the fixed blades I could possibly ever need, but continue to buy collectable models and the occasional custom. Since I still hunt and use fixed blades quite a bit, I can justify the increased cost of a custom for their quality heat treatment of modern high wear-resistant steels.
. . . Factory production traditional folders are my passion, and though I have 10 times what I could ever use up, I keep adding and adding. After having gone through a half dozen or so custom folders, I discovered they just weren't for me. I just don't use a folder hard enough, and I'm just not critical enough to appreciate the extra refinement for the additional cost. GECs in the $100-$175 range are my sweet spot for quality per dollar spent.

Right now my knives consist of:
86% traditional folders
12% fixed blades (mostly traditional)
2% modern OHO

32% of all my knives regardless of category are GECs. 13% are USA Schrades, and 10% are Victorinox SAKs.
 
Exactly, Will, and while I appreciate a good OHO as a tool, I just don't have any passion for mass produced parts, screwed together, using G10 or micarta covers. I don't even like micarta on traditional folders.
 
These ones my friend.
1 large stockman XX and 1 medium. These are around £70-80 each in the uk!!

9WmNFpB.jpg
Mate, i thought we over here in Australia had it tough. I have the large stockman, in amber bone, other wise identical to yours, it cost me $80 Aus. This equates to roughly 40 pound UK. Now i know the dealer over here, buys at wholesale and would have special purchase deals, but still, a big difference. I have bought several knives from the UK, sheffield made, and they appear to me to be quiet reasonable compared to what you pay. One i bought, which came in a presentation box with a letter of authenticity, it has historically significant scales, it cost me 68 UK pound + 8 pound postage, this equates to $152 Aus. I thought this was expensive, but compared to what you pay, i will have to stop complaining. But i think we all realize no matter where you live, being interested in knives is not cheap, but the US to my way of thinking have a lot more retailers and do not have to pay as much as you and i.
 
What most people don't realize, and this includes knife nuts, the whole modern knife thing is an artificially created phenomenon to stimulate market sales and continued sales. It has very very little to do with giving the end consumer a "better" knife, but to create a continuing market driven by the "next step up that you absolutely have to have."

Look back in time to a hundred years ago, or even two hundred years. What did the working cowboy pushing some ornery long horns up the trail to the railheads carry, or a freight wagon driver pulling a load of goods to the destination? Or some poor sailor working a square rigger around the horn to San Fransisco in the 1800's? Or even just a humble store clerck in a dry goods store?

They had single blade lock blades in the 1800's. When John Wilkes Booth was killed at Garrets barn in 1865, he had a folding dagger on him. Its on display at the Fords Theater museum in Washington D.C.. Its a nice one, with bone handles and a slim spear point blade. But the lock backs never were really popular with the working men. Not like the humble Barlow and other two blade jacks like the harness jacks, congress patterns. Or the cattle knife, or its genesis the premium stockman.

One hand opening? Most folks never gave it much thought because it was not an issue in working for living. If they did need a one hand knife, they had the original one hand knife; the sheath knife. It wasn't broken so it wasn't called a fixed blade back then like they are called now. Certainly some cowpoke dealing with half broke horses or branding wild cattle for a drive needed a good knife in his daily job description. But a simple jack seemed to do. Factory workers and shipping clerks the same.

The problem was after WW2, there was a great migration to the cities and better jobs. Returning GI's didn't want to back to daddies farm. Life in the cites and office jobs, warehouse jobs, delivery truck jobs, all changed the course of life in American. My own father was a prime example. He came from a working watermen family but he never returned tot he eastern shore of Maryland. He moved to Washington D.C. for jhisnew job and settled there. The new climate, the office cubicle, made a knife something not really needed anymore. By the 1970's a number of large U.S. knife companies were belly up with more following. The pocket knife market was dying. So, they came up with a new idea; promote the knife a thats part survival tool, and part tactical weapon in case of Russian paratroopers or the end of the world as we know it. The 1980's saw the birth of the tactical knife market. The sale of the knife as a ego driven fantasy cult worship object. A knife with certain features that were dubious in nature and questionable need. One company even showed their knife was capable of piercing a car door. Must have been some rogue Chevy's out there. I guess the office cubicle can be a dangerous place.

But, what do I know. I'm an old curmudgeon that doubts a lot of the new stuff. I guess in all those times I needed a knife, I somehow survived with a old fashioned pull it open slip joint. I must have been very lucky. I've been up on ladders and didn't need to one hand open a knife, in spite cutting painters tape. I've been out in the boonies lots of times, but never needed a folding knife strong enough to pry open a tank hatch. Heck, I've even been off to war in a hot jungle in Southeast Asia and got by with a regular pocket knife. If I absolutely needed something more they gave us this pointy thing that fit on the end of our M16's called a bayonet. The supply room had lots of Camillus made TL-29's and 'demo' knives to hand out.

The so called conveniences they sell don't really mean much in the real world. Not compared to the convenience of having multiple blades available that have not only different edges, but different shapes for different jobs. Like the sheep foot of a stockman, or the screw driver tool on a scout knife. I tried a modern knife, once. Once was enough to experience the limitation of having just one blade that half the time was too big and awkward or doesn't have the most simple tool to improvise with.
Well said. :-)
 
J jackknife Very good post, and most interesting reading, and a great insight into knife history. One point you made which i found most pertinent was about the migration to the cities after world war 2. My parents had a similar migration from rural to a large capital city. But one swing we have had here in Australia is staggering. When we formed as a commonwealth on the first of January 1901, we had a population of only 3 million people and 80% of those lived in rural Australia. We now have a population of 25 million people and more 80% now live in Capital cities or large Cities and less than 20% in rural Australia. With this massive shift in culture you can see why knives are only for a niche market over here, where as once everyone carried a pocket knife. Thank you for your input.:):thumbsup:
 
cudgee cudgee ,

I think its the same all over. I drive out to California a couple times a year, through West Texas, New Mexico, and Arizona. Sometimes I stop at these little towns in the middle of nowhere and theres old boards up buildings and a look of abandonment. Kind of like the movie set for Bad Day At Black Rock.

If I ask the gas station attendant why so many buildings are boarded up, I usually get the answer that, "Oh, everyone has moved off to (whatever big city is down the road, Tucson, El Paso, whatever) "

It seems that nowadays folks don't want to live out in some small ranch or farm community if they can get a job in some nice air conditioned building and a nice office cubicle. So many times I'll get off the highway to get gas or a meal, and aside form the gas stop, everything else is just blowing away. Everyone has left for the bright lights and big city.
 
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