Trashed my Recon 1 today UPDATE

Rat Finkenstein said:
terrible serration design, mostly.
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I disagree. You don't chop with serrations. I've been using Cold Steel's serrations for years and I like how they cut. Even when the knife is dull as a brick, they'll get the job done. Serrations in general are for cutting and not for impacts.
 
Kwon Kwang said:
I disagree. You don't chop with serrations. I've been using Cold Steel's serrations for years and I like how they cut. Even when the knife is dull as a brick, they'll get the job done. Serrations in general are for cutting and not for impacts.
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Does this mean that you think another type of more widely spaced serrations would have been just a fragile, or would not cut as well?
 
I've seen a photo of an O-1 Randall Made fixed blade with a dime sized chip out of the edge due to lateral loading cutting wood. It was a thin hard knife optimized for skinning game. Chopping wood you want a blade thicker behind the edge. And plain, not serrated. Who uses a serrated hatchet?

Aren't the new Recon 1 models flat ground? (I realize the OP's knife was the older version.)
 
RX-79G said:
Does this mean that you think another type of more widely spaced serrations would have been just a fragile, or would not cut as well?
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I'm not speaking for Kwon but I can tell you their serrations are designed for a specific purpose and utility they are not. That's why I skip the combo edges.
 
RX-79G said:
Does this mean that you think another type of more widely spaced serrations would have been just a fragile, or would not cut as well?
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Perhaps on the former, absolutely not on the latter. Benchmade and Buck do serrations I like, too. Regardless of design, serrations still aren't meant for chopping.

Sosa's point is a good one. To paraphrase a quote from Lynn Thompson: "Our serrations will cut about 3x deeper into flesh".
 
stabman said:
Which would have failed the exact same way with the same grind and steel...

Didn't fall apart at the pivot, so all the fixed blade talk is irrelevant to the issue experienced. ;)
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Wise words. References to fixed vs. folder are irrelevant and IMO unhelpful.

Ben
 
I followed up with Cold Steel today to see what was going on with my knife. I was told they were in the process of replacing it, and it showed that it would be mailed out today or tomorrow. He did inform me that they were replacing it with American steel instead of Japanese. I asked if I could have a plain blade instead of a combo blade, and they said no problem. So overall, I am very pleased with their customer service and standing by their knives, even if I did do something stupid.
 
stjust33 said:
I followed up with Cold Steel today to see what was going on with my knife. I was told they were in the process of replacing it, and it showed that it would be mailed out today or tomorrow. He did inform me that they were replacing it with American steel instead of Japanese. I asked if I could have a plain blade instead of a combo blade, and they said no problem. So overall, I am very pleased with their customer service and standing by their knives, even if I did do something stupid.
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Good to hear! Also cool you got a plain edge.
 
stjust33 said:
I followed up with Cold Steel today to see what was going on with my knife. I was told they were in the process of replacing it, and it showed that it would be mailed out today or tomorrow. He did inform me that they were replacing it with American steel instead of Japanese. I asked if I could have a plain blade instead of a combo blade, and they said no problem. So overall, I am very pleased with their customer service and standing by their knives, even if I did do something stupid.
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Thats awesome. I think you will like the CTS-XHP the new knife will come with. Glad to see your situation was resolved.
 
PURPLEDC said:
Thats awesome. I think you will like the CTS-XHP the new knife will come with. Glad to see your situation was resolved.
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Yeah. Didn't mention the steel. I have one in CTS-XHP and it certainly out performed the one I had in AUS8. Good on CS.
 
ursamajor said:
Small hard branches are murder to thinly ground edges.

https://youtu.be/q8hyfbcSJ18
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I have learned now in this thread a thinned edge against small twigs is no good! The video was eye opening, a machete chips out with just small branches.

So........if an axe would also be no good, what would be the best tool for small branches? I'm thinking now a saw or pruning shears would be good for the backpacks. Takes a lot more time though than just whacking a tree with a machete.

Also, would it be better to have a machete with a larger secondary bevel? I reground a cs machete to have a steeper angle and it seems to help:

P1060960_zpsddf471f5.jpg
 
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Yo Mama said:
I have learned now in this thread a thinned edge against small twigs is no good! The video was eye opening, a machete chips out with just small branches.

So........if an axe would also be no good, what would be the best tool for small branches? I'm thinking now a saw or pruning shears would be good for the backpacks. Takes a lot more time though than just whacking a tree with a machete.

Also, would it be better to have a machete with a larger secondary bevel? I reground a cs machete to have a steeper angle and it seems to help:

P1060960_zpsddf471f5.jpg
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I delimb with lots of things. The most a Junglas, Esee 6, TGLB, and a SOG Seal team. No chipping at all. Seems a thicker blade or a better steal or a more obtuse edge might be better? Some comb or all three?
 
Glad to hear CS hooked you up!
You're gonna love the CTS!! I have it on a couple of Spydies and it is a great steel!!
Joe
 
Sunyata said:
Those stupid serrations are probably the culprit
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Yo Mama said:
I have learned now in this thread a thinned edge against small twigs is no good! The video was eye opening, a machete chips out with just small branches.

So........if an axe would also be no good, what would be the best tool for small branches? I'm thinking now a saw or pruning shears would be good for the backpacks. Takes a lot more time though than just whacking a tree with a machete.

Also, would it be better to have a machete with a larger secondary bevel? I reground a cs machete to have a steeper angle and it seems to help:

P1060960_zpsddf471f5.jpg
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The steeper the secondary bevel the more material you remove and technically it's weaker. On a blade like that with that bevel it's screaming to be convexed. It will cut better and be stronger . I have the same machete as in the pic , also regrouND mine. IIRC it's 1055 steel (probably wrong on that).

It's my dedicated limb chopper for my fire pit. Few times I've went right through branches and onto our little Brick wall we have outside and the blade hasn't chipped on me yet. Those machetes are pretty strong for the money
 
shinyedges said:
Yea I got you, cs does propagate the line of thought that their knives are the "worlds strongest". So when people who read the box and then think they can use their folder to build Noah's ark experience a failure some blame is on cs and some on the consumer, "shrug" lol
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So if I push a Toyota Tacoma off of a cliff, or have it hit by a train or large meteorite, I can expect it to be unscathed?

https://youtu.be/5uLJitPWAXM

https://youtu.be/-_OtbXmu9kg

I once looked at a warning label on an inflatable mattress. It had a warning label for the US, and the UK. The UK label said that the mattress was not a flotation device. The US label was an Epic, paragraph after paragraph.

The blame is with the user. I wish that we (US citizens) were not actively participating in convincing the world that we are complete imbeciles.
 
Kwon Kwang said:
I disagree. You don't chop with serrations. I've been using Cold Steel's serrations for years and I like how they cut. Even when the knife is dull as a brick, they'll get the job done. Serrations in general are for cutting and not for impacts.
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I agree. Chopping with a serrated blade makes as much sense as chopping and with a saw
 
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