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Triad lock failure ! Ouch!!
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Dude explains how he fixed the problem with the sticking lockbar, good to know for those interested.....also admits he was using the knife as a throwing knife, so that might explain how the damage occurred: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnp0OkUVIoQ
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That vid is totally rad. I gotta say that would be the ultimate ninja move. Open a couple folding knives and take down your target at 50 yards. That's the last thing they'd expect. Thanks for posting.
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I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
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I think he was just testing the strength of the lock and the knife as a whole but to each his own.
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I am honestly impressed that you can throw those knives (without screwing them up), so I am serious on that point. There is some humour in the ninja comment, but thinking on it, it would be a crazy way to defend yourself, by throwing folding knives. I would definitely rather be hit by a thowing star than a full size folder...
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Do you know who Fred Perrin is? He's an internationally recognized knife designer, martial artist, he's the genuine deal. This video was not filmed to promote CS if I remember correctly, this is him having fun. It demonstrates the bulletproof build of this design and you have a problem with that? Troll thread goes to 8 pages, congrats OP you must be proud!
I own a cold steel xl Voyager and two Sebenza 21's. I can't say anything bad about either of them, I have successfully been able to baton my Voyager with out the lock failing, is this a practical use for a folder? Absolutely not, but I paid $54 for it and didn't really care if it failed. I can say that my large Sebenza with micarta is, without a doubt, my favorite folder I own. I have never seen any point in spine whack tests, or hanging absurd amounts of weight from the knife, if it make someone sleep better at night knowing that their knife can do that then good for them, but unless you chop down trees with the spine of your folder then I don't see how anyone can justify the practicality of these tests. My Sebenza is more then strong enough for doing what I use my knives for, and that is CUTTING...can you believe that I actually use my knives the way they were designed? That's crazy.
Just thought I would give my opinion on the subject.
Nrock
Just thought I would give my opinion on the subject.
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I totally agree with your point, have made it myself many times. The problem stems from the fact that cheap Cold Steel folders are stronger and tougher than any other folder, the cost of which can often be calculated in factors higher, rather than percentages. Sebenzas are fine cutters, and they are built to do everything that can reasonably be expected of them and more. But they too are touted as strong and overbuilt folders, and CS has put the lie to that claim. And so, if you're a fan who can't handle being so rudely waken up from a fantasy, you (not you you
) will attack the messenger, rather than rationally reassess your ideas about your Ti-framelock.I own quite a few folders who are way overpriced. It's what most of us do, we have many more knives than a person can use in a lifetime. My $40 Voyager will outperform all of them, at a fraction of the price. It's just a stinging reminder that it's a form of madness I engage in, or at least, it would be if it was all about practicality. Fortunately, it is not, and so I will continue to buy knives I like. I don't have to explain anything to anyone.
Just don't tell me that ANY Ti-framelock (including the Sebenza) is 'better' (practically speaking) than the Code 4 the Sebenza was pitted against. I own at least a dozen, and they'd all lose to the Code 4, and a few are ten times the price.
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I have a high dollar (to me anyhow) BM ti frame lock in my pocket right now that I know will not slice as good as my Voyager, let alone not give me the peace of mind that it won't fold on my fingers accidentally. I own it because it's beautiful, I love the design, and it will cut decently enough for me to overlook its shortcomings. Higher price doesn't always equate to higher performance.
I totally agree with your point, have made it myself many times. The problem stems from the fact that cheap Cold Steel folders are stronger and tougher than any other folder, the cost of which can often be calculated in factors higher, rather than percentages. Sebenzas are fine cutters, and they are built to do everything that can reasonably be expected of them and more. But they too are touted as strong and overbuilt folders, and CS has put the lie to that claim. And so, if you're a fan who can't handle being so rudely waken up from a fantasy, you (not you you ) will attack the messenger, rather than rationally reassess your ideas about your Ti-framelock.
I own quite a few folders who are way overpriced. It's what most of us do, we have many more knives than a person can use in a lifetime. My $40 Voyager will outperform all of them, at a fraction of the price. It's just a stinging reminder that it's a form of madness I engage in, or at least, it would be if it was all about practicality. Fortunately, it is not, and so I will continue to buy knives I like. I don't have to explain anything to anyone.
Just don't tell me that ANY Ti-framelock (including the Sebenza) is 'better' (practically speaking) than the Code 4 the Sebenza was pitted against. I own at least a dozen, and they'd all lose to the Code 4, and a few are ten times the price.
Yep I think the two of us are on the same page here. I didn't buy my Sebenzas for their lock strength, I bought them because of how simple they are and the attention to detail is outstanding along with the fact that they are extremely easy to clean and maintain. As a matter of fact if you were talking about strength, I personally prefer liner locks over frame locks myself, but If I bought knives solely based on what I needed/practicality then I probably would of stopped buying knives after I bought my Spyderco Military. But just like everyone else on this forum it's a hobby of mine and we all enjoy buying more knives then we need, using them every day, sometimes take time out of our day to argue with like minded people on a forum.
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Sorry for the confusing post, I am not the best with computers and hit the wrong button when replying to you post.
) will attack the messenger, rather than rationally reassess your ideas about your Ti-framelock.I own quite a few folders who are way overpriced. It's what most of us do, we have many more knives than a person can use in a lifetime. My $40 Voyager will outperform all of them, at a fraction of the price. It's just a stinging reminder that it's a form of madness I engage in, or at least, it would be if it was all about practicality. Fortunately, it is not, and so I will continue to buy knives I like. I don't have to explain anything to anyone.
Just don't tell me that ANY Ti-framelock (including the Sebenza) is 'better' (practically speaking) than the Code 4 the Sebenza was pitted against. I own at least a dozen, and they'd all lose to the Code 4, and a few are ten times the price.
Yep I think the two of us are on the same page here. I didn't buy my Sebenzas for their lock strength, I bought them because of how simple they are and the attention to detail is outstanding along with the fact that they are extremely easy to clean and maintain. As a matter of fact if you were talking about strength, I personally prefer liner locks over frame locks myself, but If I bought knives solely based on what I needed/practicality then I probably would of stopped buying knives after I bought my Spyderco Military. But just like everyone else on this forum it's a hobby of mine and we all enjoy buying more knives then we need, using them every day, sometimes take time out of our day to argue with like minded people on a forum.
Nrock
Sorry for the confusing post, I am not the best with computers and hit the wrong button when replying to you post.
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Sorry, you assume sarcasm and doublespeak where there is none. I am impressed by this test and do think it's cool. Obviously some humour in the Ninja comment, but I didn't realize jest was against forum rules. Stop assuming the worst of people. It's a cool vid.
You just said you batoned your voyager. I'm pretty certain that it entails whacking the spine of the folder. Then you went on to say that you don't see the point in spine whack tests (although again, you have whacked the spine of one of your folders with a baton).
You then say that the Sebenza is more than strong enough for doing what you use your knives for, and that is cutting...but earlier in your post, you said you batoned with your Voyager (I'm pretty sure the Voyager is a knife). So for your last comment to be true-that your Sebenza "more then strong enough" for doing what you use your knives for (we already established that you used at least one of your folding knives for batoning) then your Sebbie should be more than strong enough to baton, no?
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It got dragged in here because of another thread on the topic.
And it's not that eccentric, or did you misspell expensive? 
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The perfect word to describe them!
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If you couldn't see that coming, you're so blind and deaf that you need serious medical assistance. BOTH with the fashion knife elite and this silly vid. I have seen uneven wear in the RAJAH 2 lockup system though.
No I'm sorry that is not correct. I thought it would have been pretty clear in my earlier post that batoning with a folder is not something I do very often, but I guess I was wrong. If you go on to YouTube you will see hundreds of videos on there of people doing stupid things to their CS folders just to see if their locks will live up to the hype surrounding them. So for $54 I thought I would get my own Voyager and try for myself, that's all there was to it. Like I said in my earlier post, I do not like spine whack tests because I don't think they are practical. Batoning a folder is not practical, but when you watch all of CS "proof videos" and see their knives doing all this stuff, it makes you want to try it for your self and see if it's real or just hype. And when you think about it CRK and CS are kind of similar in that regard. CRK doesn't show videos of their knives doing crazy stuff, but both companies have hype surrounding them. CRK has hype because their knives are known for having very tight tolerances, their designs barely change, their knives are very expensive and very popular. So naturally, people will compare them to other knives to see if all the hype is true and if they are worth the price. CS has hype because they show all their knives doing these crazy things that most people wouldn't think about doing, but people want to see if it's all true or all hype.
I hope I've cleared up my earlier post for you.
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Nrock. When you batoned your Voyager did it do any permanent damage to the knife? I understand the Tri-Ad survives this test, but has it loosened up, or do you end up with blade play afterwards? I am curious if the knives survive such abuse/testing unscathed. I have a couple situations where Id like a folder I could baton, but have always assumed some permanent damage would be taking place even if the knife didn't fold or break.