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I was reading about the compression lock from Spyderco and stumbled across some comments somewhere else.


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I think he rates the locks to take 400-600lbs or force to fail, which is pretty close (actually a little less) than 200lbs per in. Isn't that the qualification for an MBC rating? B/c then I think the Chinook/Manix would actually be rated as stronger. So would the compression lock.

Could just be b/c he lacks the testing equipment that Spyderco has to produce and exact number though.

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I used to foolishly defend the Tri-Ad lock as the be-all end-all of folder locks.

I was dead wrong, and I'm happy I learned a thing or two from Sal.

The Tri-Ad lock is strong, very strong, but Spyderco's MBC-rated locks are JUST AS strong, if not stronger.

I'll stick to Spydies :)



I thought the Triad lock was *commonly* mentioned as one of the strongest folder locks... how does the Compression lock or any other locks stack up? :confused:
 
That is a question that will never really be answered because neither CS nor Spyderco will publish the results in the interest of internal testing and respect of the other company.

Their testing is for internal information. ;)

So anything said would be guesswork at best.
 
At that point does it really matter? Are you going to put 4-600lbs of force on a 3-4" folding knife?
 
Hadji Flip Me Over said:
While we're on the topic of lock strength, how do the BM Axis/SOG Arc-locks stand up?
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Also wondering about this. I saw pictures of a Spec Elite I that failed while batoning some firewood. I wouldn't baton with a folder but I've also heard Arc locks loosen up over time.
 
Sal said that he thought it would be unprofessional to tell everyone that a company did poorly in his lock tests, but he did mention that he found the Axis lock is very strong. Don't know about the Arc lock.
 
Ankerson said:
That is a question that will never really be answered because neither CS nor Spyderco will publish the results in the interest of internal testing and respect of the other company.
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I doubt that. I think either company would take any significant marketing advantage that they could. They advertise steels as being "better", ergonomics, handle materials, etc. I think it just doesn't matter to the common user - they just want a "strong" lock. It would be like advertising "you can drive over our knives and they will still work"... So what? You can drive over any quality knife and it still works, and how often does this happen to a knife?

*EDIT* Oh, maybe I misunderstood. Maybe you were saying that a company testing another company's knife lock would not advertise that the other knife's lock was less capable. I do agree. More importantly, I still think it is of little consequence to the end user.
 
People want the strongest beefy folder for the money when shopping for a tough folder just like they want the fastest car for the money when shopping for a sports car. I think it's reasonable and natural but doesn't mean you can't have fun with a slim, sexy liner-lock or family sedan.
 
Cold Steel has videos. Spyderco has no "Proof" that I know of. I know Sal is a respected guy around here and other places, but I'd rather not blindly trust someone who's a salesman in the end.

And, when Spyderco tests locks, it's important, but when other companies test locks they're just trying to sell knives to ninjas and those who abuse their folders. And we all know knives are made to cut with the edge, so locks don't really matter, right.
 
Look, if a company says "you can have a full grown gorilla stick this folding knife in a tree, wiggle it around and swing from it, then yank it out and it'll be fine" You can bet that someone out there will feed a gorilla steroids in an attempt to discredit the company or some other dummy will do it after he somehow managed to jack the knife up in another way and claim it was the steroid junkie gorillas fault.

On a much simpler note, lab testing is not real world testing, variables change so even if they said "In the lab we clamped the blade and the pivot didn't take any damage till we passed the 560# mark and over all the blades we tested all held up to 500#"

Some individual would want to prove it himself thus opening the company to potential lawsuits if or when the tester was injured or the testers equipment was damaged.

Limit liability, respect is probably in there and I really am not trying to say that Sal is covering anything up or being less than truthful.

If you really need a folding knife that can handle 600 pounds from its handle while being clamped 1" from the pivot... I don't know what to say, I'd like to know what for?
 
This subject has been done to death. Let's all stop the bashing of any companies for a moment.

Tri-Ad lock=strong.
Compression lock =strong.
AXIS lock=strong.
Ball-bearing lock=strong.
Overbuilt lock-back=strong.
Frame-lock=strong enough.
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Siggyhk, Sal has a reputation based on his action in the knife community, I'm not sayin that you are posting nonsense, what I am saying is let's take a look at his track record before we start casting doubt on what he says.

Oh and stabman you forgot.

Button lock=strong:D
 
Skimo said:
Oh and stabman you forgot.

Button lock=strong:D
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You're likely quite correct.:)
I was just sticking with lock types I have experience with. I'd hate to recommend something and be wrong about it.:o
Much like I believe people who say how strong the balisong "locking" up is, but being that they're completely illegal here, I have not had the chance to try them out.
I could get a button lock knife though.:)
 
Siggyhk said:
Cold Steel has videos. Spyderco has no "Proof" that I know of. I know Sal is a respected guy around here and other places, but I'd rather not blindly trust someone who's a salesman in the end.

And, when Spyderco tests locks, it's important, but when other companies test locks they're just trying to sell knives to ninjas and those who abuse their folders. And we all know knives are made to cut with the edge, so locks don't really matter, right.
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Sal wont publish test results because he doesnt want to put down other companies. He's classy like that.
 
Cold Steel does testing without bashing other companies, generally. I don't recall seeing them disrespect other manufactures, but maybe I missed something. As I see it, they just show what their knives/locks can do, not really what others can't. -Correct me if i'm wrong, please.


Skimo, I agree. I often word my post foolishly as well, and could have said that better. But Cold Steel claims to make the strongest lock, and they go out of their way to prove it. Why other companies don't/can't/wont do the same is something I don't understand. That is, if, in fact they believe they can compete.

But I also agree with stabman, there are several locks that are stronger than we need. At this point, reliability should be a bigger issue than raw strength.
 
Hanging weight on the handle is just a general show of strength and solidarity - using a knife can put a lot more stress on the locking mechanism than slowly applying a large mass. I feel more comfortable with a folder that can hold over 300 lbs. than one that would buckle from 150 lbs. but still like using slipjoints that probably buckle from 8 ounces :)
 
Siggyhk said:
Cold Steel does testing without bashing other companies, generally. I don't recall seeing them disrespect other manufactures, but maybe I missed something. As I see it, they just show what their knives/locks can do, not really what others can't. -Correct me if i'm wrong, please.


Skimo, I agree. I often word my post foolishly as well, and could have said that better. But Cold Steel claims to make the strongest lock, and they go out of their way to prove it. Why other companies don't/can't/wont do the same is something I don't understand. That is, if, in fact they believe they can compete.

But I also agree with stabman, there are several locks that are stronger than we need. At this point, reliability should be a bigger issue than raw strength.
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I don't see how they've proved that their lock is the strongest when they haven't shown how other locks hold up. They've demonstrated that their lock is strong, not strongest.

If you want an example of CS directly bashing another company, do a search here for their GI Tanto.
 
Touche.

But I was thinking more along the lines of folders and locks, not fixed blades. I think many people would be upset if they tested other companys locks along side the Triad. And then they would be directily bashing other manufactures. It's on those other companies to prove what their locks can do or not. It's not Cold Steels place to do that. -Personally, I'd love to see it though, but I have a feeling the OP would have to change his mind back to his original way of thinking.
 
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