Trying to get the most out of my steel off cuts.

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I asked this in the shop talk on another forum too. I'm just trying to get the most input I can. Any ideas are appreciated.

So I made a couple knives in cpm 10v a while back, and i ended up with some steel left over. 2 pieces. I gave one piece away and I've held on to the other for a while now trying to think of something that this little piece of cpm 10v would be worthy of using on.

Well, I just haven't come up with anything that holds my fancy enough to use it, and I really want to do something with it.

The piece is 3.75x1.25x.25 inches (the thickness is actually just under 1/4 inch, but it wasn't important enough to me to pull out the calipers yet). So quite small, but not small enough for me to just toss, or put in with the little off cuts I have that aren't big enough to use for some kind of blade.

One thing that was suggested on the other forum, was to make a replacement blade for one of my pocket knives. This is the one thing that caught my attention. I may go with that, but it is a daunting task for someone who doesn't own, a mill. Its not out of the question, but I just wanted to see if anyone has any suggestions for me. Or what would you make with it?
 
Is forging an option for you? If so, that's plenty of material to forge out a decent sized hidden tang blade.
 
weo said:
Is forging an option for you? If so, that's plenty of material to forge out a decent sized hidden tang blade.
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I would prefer not to forge cpm 10v. Otherwise I would definitely would throw it in the forge.
 
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Maybe do a laminated knife, g10 or carbon fiber making up most of the blade, with just the edge being 10v.
 
Blankblank said:
I asked this in the shop talk on another forum too. I'm just trying to get the most input I can. Any ideas are appreciated.

So I made a couple knives in cpm 10v a while back, and i ended up with some steel left over. 2 pieces. I gave one piece away and I've held on to the other for a while now trying to think of something that this little piece of cpm 10v would be worthy of using on.

Well, I just haven't come up with anything that holds my fancy enough to use it, and I really want to do something with it.

The piece is 3.75x1.25x.25 inches (the thickness is actually just under 1/4 inch, but it wasn't important enough to me to pull out the calipers yet). So quite small, but not small enough for me to just toss, or put in with the little off cuts I have that aren't big enough to use for some kind of blade.

One thing that was suggested on the other forum, was to make a replacement blade for one of my pocket knives. This is the one thing that caught my attention. I may go with that, but it is a daunting task for someone who doesn't own, a mill. Its not out of the question, but I just wanted to see if anyone has any suggestions for me. Or what would you make with it?
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I save some of my larger scrap pieces for potential future projects. You may decide to make folders one day so large scrap pieces would help get you started.
 
TheEdge01 said:
I save some of my larger scrap pieces for potential future projects. You may decide to make folders one day so large scrap pieces would help get you started.
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A folder has been something I've been considering. I would really like to, idk if I'm ready to make one with my current tools. I can maybe do a friction folder, but I just want to be confident that the end result is going to be something I can be proud to say I made. Not something completely shotty.

I'm seriously thinking about the retrofitting the blade into a pocket knife thing. Someone suggested getting an opinel 6 or 7 and making a blade for that, which I think is actually kind of a cool idea, plus could be a bit simpler than making a replacement blade for my old worn out civivi elementum blade with my current tools.
 
Hengelo_77 said:
1/4" thick is wayyyy to thick for an Opinel or other folder.
That would be a bit penny wise, pound foolish spending ages filing or waisting good belts to thin it down.
Lay it aside and you'll find good use for it some time when you don't expect it and for now order steel in the right thickness
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I suppose I'm not too bothered by the idea, because that's what I did with the other knives I made. I couldn't find thinner 10v at the time that wasn't too thin so I ground it down to the thickness I needed.
 
Blankblank said:
Do you have any examples of this to show what you mean exactly?
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I was thinking of something like VC Edge’s Interface. He has videos on YouTube. He makes folders but you could do the same with a fixed blade I’m sure.
 
Pinoy Knife said:
try welding a tang onto it .. make sure to get rod for fusing different materials together..
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Exactly what I do with mine. I have a machine shop weld a 1/8” thick x 1/2” wide piece of steel to the end. They used to charge me $5 or so per blade to do that but I gave the owner one of my finished blades and it’s all free now. Make a $250 hidden tang hunter and it’s like free money added to my account. Machine shop knows what I’m after with respect to the end product and they ensure it’s done right.
 
Blankblank said:
Do you have any examples of this to show what you mean exactly?
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