two legged snake problems in the woods

The bottom line as I see it is that decent people with guns, any type of gun, don't intentionally harm anyone. There are people in all races and creeds who can't be trusted with sharp objects.

I have carried a knife since I was 12 and the only person I have ever cut was myself. I have carried a gun since 1989 and so far haven't had to shoot anyone. I have successfully defended myself against non-decent humans from death or grave bodily injury with - a gun, a machete, a bayonet (off the rifle), pepper spray, my vehicle, and my fists. By far the easiest time I have had of it was when I was well armed.

I resent to the core of my being when someone comes along who seems to think they have the right to tell me I must be unarmed for the public good. The public good has been well served by my being armed because... I'm still here ... because I was armed and I am a decent sort of guy who contributes in my own special way. I'm a nice guy but I'm nobody's lunch, man or beast. Mac
 
Anyone got any more thoughts or stories about two-legged snakes in the backcountry? A lot more interesting than trying to start a war between the U.S. and Canada. :D
 
This happened quite a few years ago. My brother and I were up early trying for the last deer hunting excursion of the season. It was raining, windy, cold, not a nice morning. So as we were sitting in the car, drinking coffee, listening to the radio, deciding just how bad we wanted to hunt the last morning, the news came on. It had a story about 2 hunters, confirmed to be from different hunting parties. They were found on a hunting preserve with hands bound behind their backs killed execution style with a gunshot to the back of the head. This happened in a place about 2 hours travel from where we were. We did decide that we wanted to hunt as it was the last chance that season. He checked the 9mm he was carrying inside his coat, and I checked my .45. I know about concealed carry laws, but the point is that I can and will protect myself, period. Ya know?
 
At least you both had handguns WITH you. Many take one with them, but then leave it under the seat of the truck.

Some people think, like talk show host Neil Boortz, that hunters have no real value as a human. He laughs when a hunter dies in deer camp. He puts animals on the same plane as humans value-wise.

That might be good to remember next time you go afield. You'll eventually have to put down your rifle. It might be real nice to have a handgun under that coat !!

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"Pre-warning Ruger Security Six. Hard to beat a good, sturdy .357 revolver out in the boonies.

L.W.

DAVID E - PRE-warning, eh ? That means it was made in 1971 or 1972 !"

Yep, I bought it new in late 1971, for -- get this -- $90.00. About four years later I added the Herrett stocks. That sixshooter is still in great condition.

L.W.
 
I can't believe this thread is still active.
When I 1st moved here after buying this land from my grandparents there were lowlife pukes that would come down my lane road-hunting.
My lane is a private dirt road about a 1.5 mi long through oak/hickory woods, closest town is 5 miles away, the law 45 mins, if your lucky.
I would stop them and question them, and after listening to the BS story, would tell them they have no business back here and don't let me catch you again. Being armed always made the point stick.
One time I was down in the hollow bow hunting watching a couple of does hoping a buck was trailing 'em. I heard two ATV's coming down the lane, my dog barked, and I heard one say "It's a friendly dog" (telling me they were here before). The deer ran off, really pissing me off. I ran up the hill, got my Hi-power and went down a ridge trail where cedars grew on both sides of the road. They went down the trail, rode around on the dam and spillways of my pond and were coming back up the trail when they saw me, in full camo, and tried to make a run past me.
I held my bow up with broadhead knocked in front of the A-hole and he locked em up. There were 2 guys in they're mid 20's and one of got irate about it smarting off to me about "they were going to stop" I said "what?!!" lowdly and quite angrily, noticing my Hi-Power, locked and cocked in my hand, barrel stuck in the cargo pocket of my cammies, change thier attitude.
I questioned them and knew I had run them off before, listened to some BS "we thought this was a public road" (on a logging trail!) I think they realized it was me and them in a very remote location and I was better armed, I stared at them for a while letting it sink in, and then just stepped aside, motion my head to go.
Whenever they see me now they steer clear and have not been back.
Most of my camping is along the river from canoe, and I always openly carry a handgun in a shoulder rig since my 12 year old daughter is with me, her protection is primary,

When I took my CCW training the instrucor showed a film and they said, "look like a sheep, be eaten by wolves"

I usually have my Firestar .45 in a Galco Miami holster CCW anywhere I go now.
 
Return of the J.D. said:
Anyone got any more thoughts or stories about two-legged snakes in the backcountry? A lot more interesting than trying to start a war between the U.S. and Canada. :D
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Well James Hickey's novel - Deliverance provides a pretty riviting fictional account about this very topic!!! Burt Reynolds doesn't really do Hickey's Lewis justice regarding physical description though!
 
led4them said:
I always openly carry a handgun in a shoulder rig since my 12 year old daughter is with me, her protection is primary,

When I took my CCW training the instrucor showed a film and they said, "look like a sheep, be eaten by wolves"

I usually have my Firestar .45 in a Galco Miami holster CCW anywhere I go now.
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Interesting story !

You bring up another point that's been discussed on both sides of the issue: Concealed or not ?

If visible like your shoulder holster, one can argue that the would-be predators will think, "Crap, let's keep looking."

On the other hand, they could say, "Hey, he's got a gun.....how do we get it from him?" then they come up with a plan how to do just that.

Concealed, they might go, "Here's one!".............until they find out that their target isn't as helpless as they first thought.

Which is "best?"

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@David E:
I think it depends on where you are. In the city your concerns about carrying visibly are 100% justified, but in the woods it depends on the predator. If a criminal can't get a gun from the black market, he might go out into the woods to rob it from a hunter. (happens in Germany from time to time, but it's mostly done by eco-terrorists who want to protect bambi)
The criminal who's looking for defenseless, lonely (=helpless) sheep might keep a distance from visibly armed people. But then again a concealed carrying hiker might be just the trap the criminal deserves... ;)
 
In criminal justice classes we were taught that most sleeze-ball low-life type criminals look for "soft" targets.
Someone looking for cash for another drug buy usually wants the best effort/return ratio. Their addiction
produces an odd combination of laziness and motivation. They are highly motivated to get a fix but don't
want to work too hard at it (and don't want to get hurt).

The same goes for normal sexual predators. (Is there such a thing?) They want to fulfill their power/sex
deviance but they are so self centered that they don't want to take a chance on getting hurt. (They
don't want to pick on a woman or man who is going to kick their butt.)


In the above circumstances, appearing to be a "hard" target is best. Where the equation changes is:

a. Psychotic (hangup) deviants.
b. Encounters involving egos and attitudes.
c. Encounters where the subjects are closely acquainted.


a. Some serial killers get a high off of the risk or the thought that they can take the victim any time they
want. The same goes for some stalkers - they get a thrill in knowing every detail of the victim's life and
even in producing chance encounters in the checkout line, on the bus, etc. They get a kick off of feeling
"I have a secret". Some psychopathic rapists (which are often stalkers) are hung up on a particular body
type. They don't care that the victim is armed because the victim is currently the only 5'0" female with blond
hair and hazel eyes with small breasts that the rapist/killer has located. They are even willing to go through
great pain and risk death to fulfill their hangup as their deviance reigns supreme over everything else in their life.

b. Egos and attitudes - if you have a uncontrollable temper issue and can never back down from a fight then
you shouldn't be armed. End of story. All the same, it happens. A few years ago, a couple of my neighbors
nearly drew on each other. One was an ex cop with a 9mm and the other was a wannabe mountain man with
a .357. Both were carrying openly which only added to the issue - you would think that they were strapping
on their manhood when they put on their pistols. If you are going to be around folk that want to pick a fight
just because you look like a gunslinger - carry concealed.

c. If you often hang out with close friends that are meth users or get mean when they are drunk - carry concealed.
(The real solution is to find some different friends.)


Generally speaking, in the woods? Open carry and don't turn your back on strangers (or let them get close to gun side).
 
David E said:
Some people think, like talk show host Neil Boortz, that hunters have no real value as a human. He laughs when a hunter dies in deer camp. He puts animals on the same plane as humans value-wise.
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I've never heard Neil Boortz say anything like that. He's pretty harsh toward fat people, but I've never hear him knock hunters. It's seems uncharacteristic for a libertarian.
 
Good post Polymath,
I could not agree with you more. In my expierience most thugs do not want to get hurt or killed and pick out someone who appears to be weak. A lot depends on how you carry yourself, how aware you are of surroundings, do you dress like an easy target with $.
I used to be a Corrections Officer in Missouri's only (at that time) class 5 prison, truely the worst of the worst. And learned a lot about how criminals work. They are more worried about an armed victim than the police.
I grew up in the St. Louis area, lived in N. STL, as teens we would run aroun E. STL for fun. In an urban area, CCW is the way to go, I notice a lot of rough looking dudes that look at me I make eye contact and give em a nod, they just nod back. But I look like I have been around the block a time or two myself, and would not be an easy mark.
Out here, (100 mi SW of STL) most know me and they know I don't go looking for trouble, but won't put up with it either. It is the idiots from the city that come out here with the attitude "partytime!" and get drunk that cause problems. That is where I find open carry is beneficial, they are just a lot more respectful to an armed person.
David E, hope that helps.
 
kgd said:
Well James Hickey's novel - Deliverance provides a pretty riviting fictional account about this very topic!!! Burt Reynolds doesn't really do Hickey's Lewis justice regarding physical description though!
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Hey kgd, how about another spelling edit? James Dickey wrote Deliverance. :D :thumbup:
 
Couple of quick responses.

Rhino, I live in N. GA and listen to Neal Boortz regularly. He indeed has said many times that he does not like hunters, basically hunters who kill for sport. He does not object to hunting for food. He is a big concealed carry guy and has no issue with 2 legged snakes being shot as home invaders.

Also, Led4Them, I was in exile in St Louis for more years than I wanted in the 80s. I lived in Wellston and then down on one of the infamous State Streets near the AB Brewery. There were more than a few occasions that I was happy I was armed, although I do not think the City of St Louis had any kind of CCW permit. I believe StL was named recently as one of the most dangerous cities in the US. You must be SW of StL on I-44 near Rolla now.
 
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