Ultimate Survival Scenario - What do you bring?

Serrinon said:
Do you have a book on how to make bows, or archery that you'd recommend?

If so please post it here (we've been compiling a list of survival books):
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=494407
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Done.

Moleskin. If you can't walk . . . .

More to learn: how to tan hides and make footwear. Your boots won't last a year and are not good in deep snow. You need to make mukluks and doubtless other clothing.

How about a pack animal? :D
 
Best-Tasting Wild Plants of Colorado and the Rockies, Linda Kershaw, Westcliffe Publishers, 1998 (11.4 oz paperback).
 
If i was in this situation where I was hunting game for survival and trying to get enough meat to get through a winter I would forget about a bow. the advantage of a Remington 700 in 30/06 or 308 far out weigh what a bow can do. the Indians gave up the Bow in favor of the rifle for a reason.were not talking about sportsman ship here but killing game in the most effeciant way possible so we can survive a long winter. no food, no store's, no resupply. range on a bow is just to short for me to bet my life in this case when you also have so many other thing's going against you YMMV
 
MIKE MACINTOSH said:
If i was in this situation where I was hunting game for survival and trying to get enough meat to get through a winter I would forget about a bow. the advantage of a Remington 700 in 30/06 or 308 far out weigh what a bow can do. the Indians gave up the Bow in favor of the rifle for a reason.were not talking about sportsman ship here but killing game in the most effeciant way possible so we can survive a long winter. no food, no store's, no resupply. range on a bow is just to short for me to bet my life in this case when you also have so many other thing's going against you YMMV
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How much weight in ammo will you carry and what do you do when (if) it runs out? What other items are you willing to swap for ammo? What priority do you give the ammo over other items? Do you reload you bullets somehow? The indians had villages to goto and also hunted in packs. Maybe they were just plain lazy too hehe. Good post though. This is a very good point and I don't have the answer. I would like to know though because I think a good bow or crossbow would be worth considering...

Also I would add night vision monocular. So you can see the nasty animals that hunt you by night.
 
As far as ammo I would be sorely tempted to carry about 15 rnds of loaded 20gauge, 10 #6 and five slugs, 35 empty hulls, a lee loader and loose components to load. That way I could tailor my loads to the game hunted, I would also have my favorite 22 pistol with at least 500 rnds of assorted LR. All together guns and ammo would not be more than 25 pounds.

Pistol and shotgun - 7 lbs
Loaded ammo 22 and 20 - 3 lbs
Loading components - 15 lbs

Rough estimate on weight but I think it is close. I think the NVGs would be a totall waste of weight. Chris
 
The august issue of the backwoodsman had a very similiar article about stuff like this. Check it out.
 
MIKE MACINTOSH said:
If i was in this situation where I was hunting game for survival and trying to get enough meat to get through a winter I would forget about a bow. the advantage of a Remington 700 in 30/06 or 308 far out weigh what a bow can do. the Indians gave up the Bow in favor of the rifle for a reason.were not talking about sportsman ship here but killing game in the most effeciant way possible so we can survive a long winter. no food, no store's, no resupply. range on a bow is just to short for me to bet my life in this case when you also have so many other thing's going against you YMMV
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Mike, this is why I asked about a pack animal. "This situation" is one where he's going to carry a year's worth of "stuff" on his back. Look at Runningboar's post. That's over a quarter of his total load of 100 lbs. - and no rifle. No question the HP rifle is better, but can he "afford" it?

As I recall from talking to Indians in Canada when was a kid, they were hunting everything with .22 -- even moose. Just took longer to track the eventual meal.

Besides, he needs "room" for a deck of playing cards so he doesn't go loopey (with plant ID on the reverse of each card?). :D
 
Thomas Linton said:
Mike, this is why I asked about a pack animal. "This situation" is one where he's going to carry a year's worth of "stuff" on his back. Look at Runningboar's post. That's over a quarter of his total load of 100 lbs. - and no rifle. No question the HP rifle is better, but can he "afford" it?

As I recall from talking to Indians in Canada when was a kid, they were hunting everything with .22 -- even moose. Just took longer to track the eventual meal.

Besides, he needs "room" for a deck of playing cards so he doesn't go loopey (with plant ID on the reverse of each card?). :D
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Hahaha, that's a good idea for the playing cards! I might actually make those and use them with my friends at home!!

Yes, in this first scenario we are going Nothing but you and a pack and what you can carry (total weight 100Lb's).

Eventually when I get some time I'm going to consolidate everything people post here and edit my first post to have each item and ideally if I have the time, the weight of each item.

I'll probably break it down to have one setup with a bow and one with a gun & Ammo. Good to know that Native Americans used to just hunt with .22's. That makes it much more Reasonable.
 
runningboar said:
As far as ammo I would be sorely tempted to carry about 15 rnds of loaded 20gauge, 10 #6 and five slugs, 35 empty hulls, a lee loader and loose components to load. That way I could tailor my loads to the game hunted, I would also have my favorite 22 pistol with at least 500 rnds of assorted LR. All together guns and ammo would not be more than 25 pounds.

Pistol and shotgun - 7 lbs
Loaded ammo 22 and 20 - 3 lbs
Loading components - 15 lbs

Rough estimate on weight but I think it is close. I think the NVGs would be a totall waste of weight. Chris
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Chris I was thinking along similar lines 60 loaded rds. 30/06 two bricks 22lr i can get over 100 cases reloaded on a pound of powder (2lb.)for trip, 2 hunderd bullets,and primers lee hand press & dies or lyman 310 tool the weight of firearms and loading gear would be around 20lbs.
 
Thomas Linton said:
Mike, this is why I asked about a pack animal. "This situation" is one where he's going to carry a year's worth of "stuff" on his back. Look at Runningboar's post. That's over a quarter of his total load of 100 lbs. - and no rifle. No question the HP rifle is better, but can he "afford" it?

As I recall from talking to Indians in Canada when was a kid, they were hunting everything with .22 -- even moose. Just took longer to track the eventual meal.

Besides, he needs "room" for a deck of playing cards so he doesn't go loopey (with plant ID on the reverse of each card?). :D
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Thomas
I also asked early on about the gear loaded bike ala Viet Cong style mechanical mule. i'am thinking with only 100lbs. of gear in the area we are talking about winter is gonna be real tough to make it through ,The indians with the 22lr is a different story they had a village to go back too & other members of the tribe hunting.They also the have the luxury of time which our suvivor won't have. What ever you take i think somthing like this would be tough for even the very best outdoors man with the limits imposed on gear:)
 
I received my survival training from an USAF SERE instructor. The book we used was the United States Air Force Search And Rescue Survival Training Manual. It's pretty comprehensive, covers survival in all climates/geographies and addresses everything talked about so far, here.

I'll post it at the forum you listed.
 
I have never lived in the cold weather only in CA. From what i could think of one of the big things i would like to carry is a stainless pot atlist a one gallon size. The other realy big Q is what do you have in your head in term of knowledge??? Like everyone knows the more you know the less you need to carry. Are you going to go there in the dead of winter or in early spring?? A good pair of boots would last you the year but would your socks?? I would toss the hand gun and rather carry more ammo. If you can make a bow and arrows ( which i cant ). Maybe you want to take the AR-7 With two bricks of ammo. that would get you started. I know its not the best gun but its light better range then most .22 hand guns. As for me i would take the 5.56. Its not the best but i can carry more ammo and wont have to track the animal as far. But with 100lb with you at the end of the year most people that you know would walk right by you and never recognize your face. I guess i would have to survive most of the time to make it to the end of the year.

Sasha
 
sasha said:
I have never lived in the cold weather only in CA. From what i could think of one of the big things i would like to carry is a stainless pot atlist a one gallon size. The other realy big Q is what do you have in your head in term of knowledge??? Like everyone knows the more you know the less you need to carry. Are you going to go there in the dead of winter or in early spring?? A good pair of boots would last you the year but would your socks?? I would toss the hand gun and rather carry more ammo. If you can make a bow and arrows ( which i cant ). Maybe you want to take the AR-7 With two bricks of ammo. that would get you started. I know its not the best gun but its light better range then most .22 hand guns. As for me i would take the 5.56. Its not the best but i can carry more ammo and wont have to track the animal as far. But with 100lb with you at the end of the year most people that you know would walk right by you and never recognize your face. I guess i would have to survive most of the time to make it to the end of the year.

Sasha
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My handgun will outshoot any ar7 ever made, ditch the ar7 and buy a real gun. Chris

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EDIT: I have kept a camp of 5 men fed with rabbits for a week with the Buckmark on top, and I think the Ruger/Tactical Solutions will outshoot it. Seriously think about something else besides the AR7. Just because the word survival is in the name doesn't mean it is good for that situation.
 
The bottom one looks very nice.... Is that the mark ll ???what did you do to it and where did you get the funky colored barrel?? In the pic i would guess its close to 11" in lengh but i might be wrong.

Sasha
 
+1 for the Ruger, Chris. A superlight platform, reliable, and ammo weight is honestly almost a non-issue. 5 rds. per day (which to me is an overestimate, but just being "safe") for 1 year is only 1825 rounds. You could safely cut that in half IMO, and add another light weapon, like a topper jr. in 20ga., or an H&R youth model SS Superlight, maybe 5 lbs. of gun, and even 2 boxes of 30/30, .223, .243, or .308, or whatever you like, will put 40 full sized game animals on the ground. We aren't feeding an army, just ourselves, and a properly prepared and preserved medium deer will feed a guy for at least 2 weeks, or more. Add fish, forage, and small game into the mix, and the weight and trouble of a couple of solid guns and ammo becomes well worth it. I would include a small spare parts kit, and suitable tools for maintenance and cleaning. Clearly that is your most effective means for procuring food. Build your traps and snares on a full belly of venison or wild hog is my policy. Getting the most benefit with the least effort is my survival policy.
 
For guns these would be my choice

Group 1
Ruger 10/22
with a ruger 357 revolver

OR maybe Group 2
Running boars .22 pistol or similiar
with a 357 marlin lever action rifle- deer at close range.
And maybe the 357 revolver for just in case. :)

I picked the 357 because I believe it will do the job up to deer size with smaller ammo than a bigger centerfire rifle. Also could share ammo with revolver and the lever action. 44 would work too,

Take care,
Scottman
 
Ii would be helpful if some of our fellow forumites that live or have hunted in the area we are talking about Colorado & Montana.Would add there thoughts as to hunting tools My memory's of both places is from childhood i remember snow topped mountains in Colorado & long rolling plains in Montana which to me means takeing a rifle that can shoot out to 300 or 400 yards accurately???
 
I have never been to the area but I'm thinking 2 or 3 conibears and some good fishing gear should provide a lot of chow. Chris
 
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