Ultimate Survival Scenario - What do you bring?

runningboar said:
I have never been to the area but I'm thinking 2 or 3 conibears and some good fishing gear should provide a lot of chow. Chris
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Nets, of course, being lightweight and on the job 24/7, if you want, would constitute 'some good fishing gear'. And, of course, they can also be used for birds.

Doc
 
DOC-CANADA said:
Nets, of course, being lightweight and on the job 24/7, if you want, would constitute 'some good fishing gear'. And, of course, they can also be used for birds.

Doc
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Very good idea. I'm hoping to have some time Saturday to sit down and consolidate all of peoples suggestions into "the list." The we can start to critique it more :)

Has anyone mentioned a slingshot?
 
Serrinon said:
Very good idea. I'm hoping to have some time Saturday to sit down and consolidate all of peoples suggestions into "the list." The we can start to critique it more :)

Has anyone mentioned a slingshot?
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Have you ever killed anything with a slingshot? I have and I would not want to depend on it for survival, much rather have a bow.

Doc, +1 on the net.

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Thomas Linton said:
Hey, BH, what are the respective total weights for the options that you lay out?
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I would say off the top of my head less than 10lbs.
And regarding the terrain for hunting and flat shooting calibers, bear in mind that this won't be anything like a typical hunt, where you are sizing up racks, and field judging inside spread. Instead it is a shoot what is closest and available RIGHT NOW. I would pop a momma doe and her spotted fawn if my butt is against the wall. And big YES to a few conibears in the mix. Using efficient equipment when available frees you up to improve shelters, repair nets, scrape and tan hides, tend the garden, etc. OR lug 50 lbs. of assorted components, pieces and parts, and build everything "in the field". Those skills are for when you don't have the luxury of a pre-planned, 100lbs. of crap trip to the North American wilderness of your choice. I will use EVERY advantage at hand to minimize my effort and physical output in a scenario like that.
 
OK....

1/ 2qrt Billy pot
2/ Best full size axe money can buy
3/ Lever 45/70 w/ 150 rds
4/ .22 mark 2 with pac-lite upper 500 rds
5/ best 3 season bag money can buy with bivy
6/ Tarp
7/ 500 ft 550 cord
8/ firesteel with magblock
9/ several bic lighters with tinder
10/ extensive fishing kit
11/ Leatherman
12/ mora/Khurk combo... my own
13/ tool and firearm sustainment kit (oil, stones, cleaning, sewing, ect.)
14/ PSK
15/ Extensive Medical kit (Sustainment based: Antibiotics, suture, ect)
16/ Water carrier with water (GI Canteen and several platapus bladders)
17/ Food and multivitimins (Approx 20, 000 cal)
18/ books on natural edibles
19/ Raingear (Gortex top and bottom)
20/ Cold weather gear (Fleece or wool based, including 5 pairs of socks)
21/ Excellent pack (Kifaru EMR...and I don't even know if all this would fit in that!)
22/ Buck Saw
23/ Snare wire 300 ft
24/ Bug head net and maybe a bug bar but I know I'm already running out of room.
25/ Booney hat
26/ Good work gloves
27/ Folding shovel
Just to name some of the basics.........Wow! This could get very heavy very fast!
 
Fieldtestornothing said:
OK....

1/ 2qrt Billy pot
2/ Best full size axe money can buy
3/ Lever 45/70 w/ 150 rds
4/ .22 mark 2 with pac-lite upper 500 rds
5/ best 3 season bag money can buy with bivy
6/ Tarp
7/ 500 ft 550 cord
8/ firesteel with magblock
9/ several bic lighters with tinder
10/ extensive fishing kit
11/ Leatherman
12/ mora/Khurk combo... my own
13/ tool and firearm sustainment kit (oil, stones, cleaning, sewing, ect.)
14/ PSK
15/ Extensive Medical kit (Sustainment based: Antibiotics, suture, ect)
16/ Water carrier with water (GI Canteen and several platapus bladders)
17/ Food and multivitimins (Approx 20, 000 cal)
18/ books on natural edibles
19/ Raingear (Gortex top and bottom)
20/ Cold weather gear (Fleece or wool based, including 5 pairs of socks)
21/ Excellent pack (Kifaru EMR...and I don't even know if all this would fit in that!)
22/ Buck Saw
23/ Snare wire 300 ft
24/ Bug head net and maybe a bug bar but I know I'm already running out of room.
25/ Booney hat
26/ Good work gloves
Just to name some of the basics.........Wow! This could get very heavy very fast!
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Well hi my friend from arizona, now your a man that knows his gear, i hope to see you on the camp out that j33 posted for any member the wants to go, in oct sat- 6th and sun-7th in north arizona, any way, great gear list i like it.
Your friend at the post Donald S.
 
My Gear ... 100lbs .....

A 12 pack and a 92 lb good looking woman. You will last about a long as if you had packed anything else and have a better time :)
 
Assuming you have the ability to catch food, the major concern is warmth.
Stay put and build a cabin
-1 Axe (all round -felling -limbing - splitting)
-5 Three foot bow saw blades
- File
- Wood stove and piping
- Tarp for roof
- Ice chisel (unless your cabin is near moving water or you're willing to sacrifice your axe down the water hole.
-Enough clear plastic for windows
-It would be nice to have mosquito netting for bet and a bit for the windows

Then the usual personal equipment already mentioned.
A winter in the woods without a woodstove would leave no time for hunting and gathering.
 
runningboar said:
Have you ever killed anything with a slingshot? I have and I would not want to depend on it for survival, much rather have a bow.

Doc, +1 on the net.

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Runningboar, Do gill nets tangle easily? I was wondering. Didn't mean to go off topic.

I would probably try to aquire a small/medium sized spinning rod that telescopes. I would guess around 1 1/2 to 2 lbs added to the weight of the pack.
 
1 year in the bush. Wow. I would also include some method of communicaton with the outside world as chance are good of a serious injury. So unless you want to die (a poor option) have some capability to be rescued. A permenant shelter would be absolutely essential as 40 below in a flimsy tent etc would be difficult for survival at best. Good snow shoes. Good sun glasses to prevent snow blindness. A way to procure big game like a scope sighted bolt action rifle with iron sights (in case the scope goes south). You want to expend the least amount of energy to porcure food and big game (deer, elk and moose) is the way to go. A bow has too many limitations and can be very cumbersome in dense woods. All the other stuff in the lists that other members have suggested.
 
man i came back a little late it seems, reasons to use the bow are as follows:
unlimited ammo, i can make arrows out there. unless u are such an hard core chemist that you can make your powder out there, i think a bow would do you better.
rough estimation of weight all the bows and arrows i ll be carrying; 5 pounds? less?
yes the indians did abandon the bows for the rifles, but they lived of thousands of years without the gun, because the bow is definitly serviceable enough.
as for the range of bows, sure they r shorter than guns, but in my experience, i could get as close as maybe 10 to 15 feet to a deer with out scaring it off. now if i could hit a bulls eye from 30 ft, im sure i cant hit a deer in half that range.
and, do we really need to store up meat for winter? im not sure cause at least in maryland, there are plenty of deers around even in the winter. and if it snows, the animals would be even easier to track and to store. wat u need to store up is the plants, not the meat.
also, you dont have to be oiling your bow all the time as you do with gun barrels.. . =P

edit: btw, runningboar: nice dog! =D
 
blood_constellation said:
man i came back a little late it seems, reasons to use the bow are as follows:
unlimited ammo, i can make arrows out there. unless u are such an hard core chemist that you can make your powder out there, i think a bow would do you better.
rough estimation of weight all the bows and arrows i ll be carrying; 5 pounds? less?
yes the indians did abandon the bows for the rifles, but they lived of thousands of years without the gun, because the bow is definitly serviceable enough.
as for the range of bows, sure they r shorter than guns, but in my experience, i could get as close as maybe 10 to 15 feet to a deer with out scaring it off. now if i could hit a bulls eye from 30 ft, im sure i cant hit a deer in half that range.
and, do we really need to store up meat for winter? im not sure cause at least in maryland, there are plenty of deers around even in the winter. and if it snows, the animals would be even easier to track and to store. wat u need to store up is the plants, not the meat.
also, you dont have to be oiling your bow all the time as you do with gun barrels.. . =P
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I agree that bows are awesome for several reasons. I live in Arizona, and here Archery tags are a gimme. So a lot of people who don't get drawn for rifle go archery. Problem is the terrain can be very open. I've made shots from over 400m on more than several occasions. Typically I never get a shot within 200m. Now I've lived in NC and TX before and been with buddies who use a glock to hunt with! Now here that is crazy. Typically the porportion of individuals who are seccessful in an archery hunt here is very low. Now the reasons may be many for that but I would still far prefer a rifle over a bow. In this senario, the sustainment period is a year. A amount of ammo that I could carry.

Just my .02
 
This past winter we got hit with a storm and got seven feet of snow in less than a week forty miles or so up the road in oswego they got twelve feet. this on top of what was already on the ground when the storm hit. my point being that you may not be able to get out to hunt during the winter for a week to several weeks at a time and if you dont have adequate supply's of food and wood put up your gonna die. as far as the Indians hunting with bows this has already been covered and is not A valid arguement in this case. they had all the adult males of the tribe hunting ,one hunting group failure did not mean possible death to the whole tribe.as far as makeing arrows. where do you get the materials do you spend time hunting for the proper stones for arrow heads feathers and glue for fletching and how long does it take to make an arrow from start to finish??i dont know the facts on this ,but i've read that it could take indian craftsman the better part of a day starting from scratch to make a single arrow
 
MIKE MACINTOSH said:
Part of my gear as stated earlier is 60 loaded rounds of either 308 Win. or 30/06 plus two lbs. of powder 200 bullets 300 primers lite weight lee hand press and dies or lyman 310 tool. total weight about 9 or 10 lbs.plus the weight of the 22lr ammo this would be enough for all hunting necessary with a very large safty margin.
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http://www.lymanproducts.com/lymanproducts/dies.htm picture of 310 about half way down page
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If one does the math on # of rounds vs. # of deer, elk, whatever, and figures how long one will feed you, then you will see that your 60 loaded rounds should get you through 1 year smiling, and certainly if you add 20 more at a cost of only about 1lb. or so you would be set. And when you add in fish, mussels, crawdads, plants, and the garden I would plant with seeds I would bring then 45-50 deer would almost be too much food. I still say your .22 would be the workhorse of the year, and 200-300 rds. can practically be toted in a pants pocket.:)
 
Kudos on a great thread Serrinon! It’s a challenge to switch thinking from a “possible” wilderness survival experience to an absolute experience of 12 months in CO/MT. The prospect of wintering through 12+ feet of snow and -35F temperatures causes pause with even unlimited supplies. I have yet to cut back from a 2+ pack animal supply list and I’m still adding more before deciding.

Not enough game, not enough fuel (wood) means survival is not possible. In this scenario, IMHO, the best and most efficient methods, no holds barred, will increase the odds. Current technology tools including firearms and traps will outdistance bows and deadfalls unless something more valuable is going fill in the additional weight.

Those of you with the knowledge and skill to walk in with nothing other than a tee shirt, jeans and Nike’s and then walk out a year later, let us know what would make it really, really easier for you.
 
A key question would be WHEN your year begins? That actually does impact what you would bring at least to some extent. If I started in early spring, then my ability to gather firewood, build weather worthy shelter, locate game, and travel routes to and from hunting areas, and water supply, good fishing areas, etc. would actually allow me to come a little light, and make due. Now if I started in late November, I would bring heavier shelter components, and other winter weather comforts in my 100 lbs. So start time is a big factor.
 
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