Unkosher Dragon Forge?

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Just got back from Oregon knife show. I sure saw alot of "knockoffs" some costing from $10 to $10,000. Point is there is really nothing that hasnt been done in blade design before. Boy, wish I could afford some of those "knockoffs".
 
Mike - you go, boy! We couldn't ask for more integrity or dedication to the cause of knife-nuts everywhere. It's like some Arthurian legend . . .
 
I'm just glad to see that the discussion is civilized so far.
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- JKM

 
Ya me too James. In the old days I would of pounced all over this huh
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Ken,

My reading of the situation re. Pioneer Valley K&T is that they are being smart and covering all the "client bases" (i.e. high, medium and low priced knives). I'd say they are handling the high and medium priced business via the PVK&T brandname, and the mass market stuff through "Knifezilla".

It is not a good business idea to trade your up-market and down-market merchandise through the same name. Consumers don't like it. The up-market buyers don't want to be associated with cheaper goods, and the down-market buyers don't want to "carry" (or subsidize) the more expensive goods. It is a market segmentation methodology practiced by virtually every single major company throughout the world. If the motoring guys will excuse me, two good examples are Volkswagen/Rolls Royce, and Fiat/Ferrari (both same companies, different brands).

PVK&T also trades via BladeAuctions, yet another smart move. It functions as another distribution channel . . .

Regards, HILTON
 
In reply to Ken Cook's question-

O.K.- I don't mean to bash anyone or step on their piggy banks BUT:

About Pioneer Valley....

It appears to me that they are a fairly new site and that they have a limited selection compared to other sites on the web.

In my opinion,while some of their offerings are reasonably priced,the prices on MOST of their knives are way overpriced but that is up to the buyer to do his/her homework.

I agree with Hilton up to a point.If they want to go both upscale and lower end it may or may not be in their best interest to seperate the sites.Some people might see it as being deceptive.

I have also seen that MANY of the knives offered on BladeAuctions.com are from P.V.K.&T. This I feel is TOTALLY out of line.

Why?
Because,the same knives that they are putting up for auction are selling on their site for a lot less money. I have seen some sell for almost double.This is just plain RUDE and VERY UNFAIR to the unknowing buyers.

And while I am on the subject of Blade Auctions.com....I have started to see a bunch of knives from Confederate Cutlery (listed as Southern Blood,just check out the phone number and address) on the site also.
They are a site that has just opened in the last few weeks, and I hope that they are not going in the wrong direction.

I definitely don't have a problem with someone trying to make money,but I just don't feel this is good business practice.

But you all have to form your own opinions and make your own decisions about it.

[This message has been edited by Jailhack (edited 12 April 1999).]
 
Perhaps the sub-thread on Pioneer Valley &/or Knivezilla would be best moved over to the Good, Bad, & Ugly forum.

- JKM
 
What is the mission here? Do what your told? Bloom where your planted? Don't step out of line? It's like "No talking in the lunchline boys" or something. **** - if a conversation develops (which would be the central idea of a conversation site) why not let it flourish where it happens instead of telling everyone to shut up or go someplace else.

I would like to contribute to the 54 issues in this thread but we have just be asked to take it some back room called THE GOOD BAD AND THE UGLY. Where it's way too quiet to talk to preserve this forum for a wonderful thread on...

"Help Support BladeForums.com and get a great deal! AD: 1 time 50(+)% off Sale on Carbon Fiber Spyderco"

Bottom line M&S - if your gonna sell sleaze by all means throw in commercials but let people get fully roasted right where the fire starts. And don't be afraid to sell access. Three dollars a month via web900 is something even I would pay you - to see Brian continue to get roasted or even defend myself. Maybe just to look at the nice classifieds and cherry pick them as I often do.

Josh


"When life gives you lemons, make lemonade"
 
You know what Josh? I was wondering when you'd pop in. I have plenty of choice words I'd love to share with everyone about how you and sleaze are related, but I've grown quite a bit since the last time I've been forced to deal with you.

I'm glad that you managed to find this site, and I'm glad that you are doing well with BladeAuction.com

If you'll note, neither Mike, nor myself have gone out of our way to expose all of the nasty details about you, and we don't intend to. In fact, the only thing you really can point to where we even reference you is where Mike agree's with Jailhack about your taking a Double 8 catalog and using it on your site.

Let the chips fall where they may, but compared to your track record, this is pretty mild, and a non-issue. Heck, you could even say that we are pointedly not getting involved in this discussion. I know that until now I've been using a lot of restraint.

The point of all this is, Josh, you are welcome here on this site, but you have to play by the same rules as everyone else. Don't attack Mike and myself when it's your own actions that you need to be answering for.

Be a man, take the high road and who knows what could happen.

Spark

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Hey Josh!

Welcome aboard. I seriously mean that and call me tomorrow if you don't believe it.

The past is history and although you had done some really nasty **** I think it may be possible that you have changed your ways. I hope!

The post above was made by James to direct the flow in his forum. It was not meant to restrict the flow of free thoughts here. You are welcome on this site to post but make sure you follow the rules here. If you feel you can't, please just leave and don't bother us. We have a good thing going here and many of the posters here were not around to see what you did before. So join in the fun, post in the forums all you want but please be productive.

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Update:
It appears as though my response was deleted on the other forum. So I could not defend myself there. Here is a link to a thread which addresses the situation. Of course it too may be deleted.

http://www.knifeforums.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000244.html

Thanks for all who responded and tried to help.



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Jeez, I can be such a dipsh** sometimes! I didn't connect the name with where I'd seen it before. My mistake and damn, but I'm sorry! I sure didn't mean to dredge up this whole mess again.
Spark,
Please forgive me bud, I wouldn't have mentioned this for all the blades in the world if I'd realized that this was the crowd that I now realize that it is.
Mike,
Same to you. Let's pretend I never mentioned it. The last thing I want to do, is open up old wounds again.
Mea Culpa and DOHH!


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I cut it, and I cut it, and it's STILL too short!

 
We are treading dangerously close to the matters which taught me my aversion to "Trial by Internet." Yes, the verdict was "mistrial" in every case. The history of knife forums on the Web is such that neither BladeForums nor KnifeForums can provide neutral ground for discussing the conflicts in that history, and anybody who takes the trial over to the rec.knives newsgroup can expect to be flamed with great flaming.

The main advantage, from my point of view, to discussing such things in the "Good, Bad and Ugly" forum is that I'm not the moderator over there, so I won't get e-mail from somebody complaining that his reputation and good name are being trashed over there. Call me selfish.

We had a pretty good discussion going in this thread on what is the right way, if there is a right way, to deal in "knock-offs," based on the assumption that the manufacturer over yonder is already producing them under one brand name or another. Perhaps we can get back to it.


- JKM

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- JKM
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Sounds like a plan. In fact I think I will lock this puppy down. Any more on the issue of knock offs can continue on the thread titled Knock Offs part II as long as it stays on topic.

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