Unstoppable Glocks?

G23 is what accompanies my Busse family blades. Probably somewhat irresponsible and I am sure my dad is not impressed but mine has never been cleaned, except for a quick blast from the compressor when I think of it at work.

In my younger drinking days my glock slept in the dirty bilge of my buddies boat overnight. We woke up the next day I of course was pissed about leaving the gun out and it getting kicked into the bilge but also that I had been irresponsible with a weapon. We dried the pistol and still put about 6 boxes of cheap blazer fmj through. I have no idea how many rounds I have fired but I have had zero misfires, zero stovepipes, and zero failure to cycles. I have had many guns over the years and cannot say that about any others.

Zach

You are right, up to a point.

If it were any other gun and you were betting yours and my grand-daughter's life on it I would be pissed that you hadn't ever cleaned it...

However...

It's a Glock, and as big a fan of 1911s and Browning Hi Powers as I am, I am also the first to concede that if someone challenged me to pull ANY brand new gun off the shelf, stick ammo in it, and trust my life to it, I would always choose a Glock.

I have seen too many Glock torture tests and reliability tests to know with unfailing certainty that if you stick a round in a Glock and pull the trigger, it WILL go bang.

I dont need to try and destroy one or bury it in mud any more than I need to bang on a cinderblock or 55 gallon drum with my BWM.

The testing has been done and I trust both with my life.

Michael
 
Mmmmmm. Browning hi-power. If they only made it smaller, lighter and more ubiquitous. . . LOL

(Seriously. I have . . . more than 1 BHP. My first is a very-late-war Jewish labor made, barely finished BHP with Nazi proof marks. I'm proud of that gun, not because of the blood to make it, but because some US soldier either captured or killed the person carrying it. It is my personal touchstone to remember that time. Back on track, I love my BHP's, but my Glocks are what get carried. Period.)
 
yeah man the glocks, they just always shoot. Got a Smith 1911 that I like but it has its issues. Definately would never carry it. Glocks are obtuse and really not pleasing for most people to look at but I like 'em and although I am not on a quest to own them all, I need to get me a 10mm dang it.
 
yeah man the glocks, they just always shoot. Got a Smith 1911 that I like but it has its issues. Definately would never carry it. Glocks are obtuse and really not pleasing for most people to look at but I like 'em and although I am not on a quest to own them all, I need to get me a 10mm dang it.

Short of my P3AT in my wimpy girly hands, I've never had any trouble with any auto. Ever.

OK, I had a first-gen P32 that didn't fire unless you pulled the trigger really hard. Slow = no primer hit. Sent it back and it worked fine.

But jams? Never had one in a semi with reasonable ammo. (There was that one time I loaded 200 rds of 45 with too-low powder charge. That was a long range session to get that brass back. LOL)
 
Dennis,

I agree

Auto loader "issues" can frequently be traced to operator error.

Limp wristing, thumbs dragging on slides, etc

A 1911 or BHP with hardball ammo is just about unstoppable if kept reasonably clean.

I have had reliability issues with several 1911 clones in the past (remember the AMT Hardballer?) but those days are long gone.

Any quality brand of 1911 with QUALITY ammo should feed and function flawlessly.

The BHP is famous for its reliability with hardball ammo.

Just ask the SAS and lots of old school green beanies and other high speed low drag types.

Michael
 
Not enough pics in this thread. I will take one tonight. We should get some glock, Busse and BHP pics going!
 
I guess I will start off

My one and only Glock, model 26, Heinie Straight 8 sights, gripper panels, Wolff captive recoil spring assembly, Pearce grip extensions, Remington 124 gr Golden Sabers, kicking back with my new Ratmandu.

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Browning 9mm Hi Power, extensively worked over by Don Williams at the Action Works with his Tactical Package, Spegel grips, Federal 9BPLE 115 gr loads, hanging with a Swamp Warden

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Browning 40 S&W Hi Power, another full Tactical Package from Action Works, Spegel grips, 155 gr Speer Gold Dot LE load, with my first Busse, an Active Duty

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Michael
 
Best Glock ever made, the G35. Two barrels, thousands of rounds, zero problems. POS grip in the pic was the only problem I ever had with it. Not sure what happened to that destroyed frame but I'll presume it wasn't a misfire. Looks like it was ran over by a truck...that's what it would take to destroy a glock.

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Best Glock ever made, the G35. Two barrels, thousands of rounds, zero problems. POS grip in the pic was the only problem I ever had with it. Not sure what happened to that destroyed frame but I'll presume it wasn't a misfire. Looks like it was ran over by a truck...that's what it would take to destroy a glock.

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Nah

I am pretty sure a Busse could destroy a Glock.

The lower half anyway. ;)

Hey, where's Tacblade?

Maybe we can get him to shoot a Glock with his .50 BMG! :eek:

Michael
 
Dennis,

I agree

Auto loader "issues" can frequently be traced to operator error.

Limp wristing, thumbs dragging on slides, etc

A 1911 or BHP with hardball ammo is just about unstoppable if kept reasonably clean.

I have had reliability issues with several 1911 clones in the past (remember the AMT Hardballer?) but those days are long gone.

Any quality brand of 1911 with QUALITY ammo should feed and function flawlessly.

The BHP is famous for its reliability with hardball ammo.

Just ask the SAS and lots of old school green beanies and other high speed low drag types.

Michael


I have had the opposite experience with several brands of 1911's.

Stove pipes and fail to feeds with a couple of different brands of quality ammo. Springfield compact, subcompact, full sized loaded Springfield have all stovepiped on and had fail to feed with different ammo. Both Ball and hollow point.

Same with a couple of other models of 1911. (Pretty sure I don't have limp wrists). Buddy is a Sheriff, they were all his guns. He tried a couple as his main duty weapon, and a matching sub compact 1911. He could not get any of the 4 he bought. He ended up having the armor tune them. Still, every once in a while either stove pipe or jam. No operator error, no limp wristing, no slide drag. Just plain unreliable, even after sending back to the manufacturer, and having them worked on by the SWAT armorer.

Not all the time, but once in a while.

He eventually dusted off his two Glocks.

That said, he never did lay down the money for a Kimber set, or other nicer gun. (that is what happens when you are married to an atrociously mean woman who thinks that it is better to save a few bucks on your duty guns, because the ones that occasionally jam were already way too expensive. Ant those guns are good enough for you, and there will be trouble if you spend another dime on worthless guns. Don't even mention buying a trauma plate or side panels for your bullet proof vest.....if you needed them, your job would have provided them....... That marriage, gladly did not last...).


I have never had a Kimber or Para (or a couple of other brands stovepipe or fail to feed).

I would give my left foot for a nice Ed Brown set up.
 
Big,

It always surprises me when someone has the experience with 1911s that you are describing.

Don't get me wrong, I have had my share of dogs, but it was usually when I was short on money and tried to do things on the cheap.

Without bragging, I have bought, sold or traded well over 50 1911s since I got my first one in 1973. Back in the 70s and 80s if I bought Colts they functioned, at least with hardball.

I cant say the same for some of the "clones" I built from slides and frames from places like Essex Arms, Ranger, Crown City Arms and others I have forgotten. You had sear and hammer pin holes that weren't spaced to tolerances. Slides that rattled on rails so out of spec that you could throw a cat through the gap.

Gunsmiths spent hours back then peening slide rails and frame rails and then fitting the two together a little at a time and then lapping them for a decent fit. It even got to the point that Colt 1911 had these same issues when their quality took a nosedive across the board.

Half of the problem with malfunctioning 1911s back then was that there were so many "experts" that were actually hacks of the worst order who would be glad to "ramp and throat" your 1911 for better functioning, whether it needed it or not. I cant count the number of 1911 frames and barrels I saw ruined by gun plumbers who shouldn't have been turned loose on a Red Ryder BB gun, much less a 1911.

Another big part of the problem back then was the selection of ammo. In the 70s if you wanted anything else but hardball you were just begging for feeding difficulties. The famous 200 gr Speer "Flying Ashtray" was one round that maybe 1 out of 25 pistols would feed, even with extensive "tuning". There were damn few bullet profiles that would feed reliably out of the guns and MAGAZINES of the day.

It took a long time for people to realize that the gun and MAGAZINE had been designed to fire one load and one load only, 230 gr hardball. When people like Wilson took a long hard look at the feed lips on the magazine and figured out that short nosed hollow point rounds needed to be released at a different point in the feed cycle than hardball, things suddenly got a lot brighter for the guy who wanted to carry exotic ammo.

MAGAZINES are such a large part of the 1911 reliability equation and it never ceases to amaze me that someone will dump a grand on a 1911 and then turn around and buy a handful of the cheapest and crappiest magazines he can find. If you cheap out on magazines you are just begging for trouble and are going to turn your new wonder gun into a short club.

Today I own one Series 80 Colt and 3 Kimbers. The Colt was tuned to perfection by Don Williams at The Action Works and will feed anything. When you drop the slide on a 230 gr Hydrashok it strips it out of the Wilson magazine so smoothly that there is no ka-chunk like you normally hear and feel on most 1911s. Most of that is Don's years of training and skill level. Part of it is Wilson's superb magazines.

My two Kimber Custom Shop Compacts are just as smooth and have never had a thing done to them, with the exception of tossing the factory magazines and using Wilsons.

My day to day carry 1911 is also a Kimber Compact that started out as a base model. Tim Thompson completely tuned it and added a number of bells and whistles and it is flawless. Again, Wilson mags are the only thing that ever goes in this "business" gun.

I don't own a pistol that I wouldn't trust my life with, and that has taken a lot of guns and a lot of years.

I have often heard people who are familiar with defensive firearms say that the 1911 is an expert's gun.

I am far from an expert in the use of small arms, but I agree and I feel that if someone isn't willing to put in the time, effort, studies, money, etc to master the 1911, and is dead set on owning an auto loader, save your self some heartache and get a Glock.

After all, that is where this thread started out. :)

Your Mileage May Vary

Michael
 
I think that frame failure was due to Federal Hydra shock ammo.There for a while it had a weak webbing in the case that would blow out down through the trigger.IIRC it was all .40 cal.A Glocks chamber exposes a small amount of the case of a round.Federal fixed the problem with the cases.
 
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