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Tyrkon Lawson

Tyrkon Lawson

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Here are my users. All were used today and need to be cleaned.

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Not quite complete. I think I need a good EDC and a 12 gauge to round it off. :D
 
12 gauge: side by side stoeger coach gun.
edc folder: sebenza
edc fixed: gw
edc gun: nothin wrong with that glock!
 
I didn't realize that your students were that difficult to control...!!! :eek::eek:

LOl, no seriously, nice EDC group there! :D:thumbup:
 
Thanks. :) I shot the G-21 for the first time in about 8 years. The range I went to, about 5 min. from my house, has a lot of Sheriffs shoot there. The range has 3 marks. 21', 50' and 75'. The guy at the counter told me that civilians were not legally allowed to shoot a perp beyond 21' so I stuck to that range today.

I have a Spyderco Lil Temp for my EDC folder for the time being but really want a XM-18. :D

A fatty skele warden looks sweet too.
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
Thanks. :) I shot the G-21 for the first time in about 8 years. The range I went to, about 5 min. from my house, has a lot of Sheriffs shoot there. The range has 3 marks. 21', 50' and 75'. The guy at the counter told me that civilians were not legally allowed to shoot a perp beyond 21' so I stuck to that range today.

I have a Spyderco Lil Temp for my EDC folder for the time being but really want a XM-18. :D

A fatty skele warden looks sweet too.
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hey buddy, that range guy doesnt know what he is talking about.

the "21 foot rule", also known as the tueller drill, established a minimum distance with which an officer could draw and fire his/her handgun at a charging suspect. it takes approx. 1.5 seconds minimum to draw and fire an aimed shot, which is the average time it takes a person to cover 21 feet.

masterduck said:
wow what sword is that?:eek:
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the much feared and respected AK-47!!
 
MORIMOTOM said:
hey buddy, that range guy doesnt know what he is talking about.

the "21 foot rule", also known as the tueller drill, established a minimum distance with which an officer could draw and fire his/her handgun at a charging suspect. it takes approx. 1.5 seconds minimum to draw and fire an aimed shot, which is the average time it takes a person to cover 21 feet.
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Good to know. :thumbup: I figure that the 21' and 50' is probably the best ranges for me to practice as far as home defense. But I'll do the 75' just the same. Now when they get too close that's when the AK gets a work out. :D
 
How about a Benelli M4 Tactical & SFNO combo! :D

Although I think I'd have a hard time with the M4 in CA. :(
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
Good to know. :thumbup: I figure that the 21' and 50' is probably the best ranges for me to practice as far as home defense. But I'll do the 75' just the same. Now when they get too close that's when the AK gets a work out. :D
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Be sure to do lots of dry fire drills at home that start from the holster. You won't get a second chance to make a first impression.

I've never been to an indoor range that allowed draw and fire. Given the skill level of most folks at public ranges, that's probably for the best.
 
b-square said:
Be sure to do lots of dry fire drills at home that start from the holster. You won't get a second chance to make a first impression.

I've never been to an indoor range that allowed draw and fire. Given the skill level of most folks at public ranges, that's probably for the best.
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Good points. I actually did that for a while. Even used a soft-air pistol for drills when no one was home. I'll have to get back at it. Thanks.
 
Tyrkon Lawson said:
Good to know. :thumbup: I figure that the 21' and 50' is probably the best ranges for me to practice as far as home defense. But I'll do the 75' just the same. Now when they get too close that's when the AK gets a work out. :D
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if you can shoot accurately from 75 feet, you can shoot accurately from 75 feet to zero feet.

most gunfights outdoors happen well within 21 feet for police officers because the contact distance is much closer.

inside a residence or other structure, im sure that distance would be even smaller.

id recommend different types of practice.

shoot from as far away as the range allows. this is the best diagnostic for identifying inconsistency and shooter error.

practice all the way in and as close as the range allows, but far enough away that your muzzle blast doesnt destroy the targets. this allows for the shooter to get a feel for close quarter engagements.

unfortunately, public ranges dont normally allow for rapid fire, or firing faster than one round/second.

since you probably dont carry your pistol around the house in a holster, it might be beneficial to practice a nightstand drill. lay the pistol on the range counter/table in your lane. pick it up and engage.
 
Thanks Morimotom. Good stuff. 75' here I come. Soon I will be making happy faces on the targets like "Lethal Weapon". :D
 
MORIMOTOM said:
since you probably dont carry your pistol around the house in a holster, it might be beneficial to practice a nightstand drill. lay the pistol on the range counter/table in your lane. pick it up and engage.
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Hey I do that one, at every practice session...but for different reasons. I figured it was a safe way to add a "stressor" to my shooting. Since in a SHTF scenario, I would be stressed, adding an artificial stressor to my practice may help me in the dark times.

I do practice safely though, as I have no desire to blow my finger off in shooting practice. :D

I have the same Glock!
 
zenheretic said:
Hey I do that one, at every practice session...but for different reasons. I figured it was a safe way to add a "stressor" to my shooting. Since in a SHTF scenario, I would be stressed, adding an artificial stressor to my practice may help me in the dark times.

I do practice safely though, as I have no desire to blow my finger off in shooting practice. :D

I have the same Glock!
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stress is the most difficult thing to duplicate realistically. but with practice and training come muscle memory.

in times of stress one will resort to the level of their training. as much as we would all like, we will not, under stress, become some type of super hero and perform feats we have never practiced.

eg: california highway patrol officers had to police their brass at the range after qualifying. most got in to the habit of ejecting spent casings (revolvers at that time) and putting them in their pockets.

in studying their o/i shootings, guess what they found? dead officers with spent casings in their pockets.
 
It took me a while to figure out you guys were talking about feet with respect to the distance your training with your pistol. You should fire your Glock up to 50 yards for the training value. Obviously most of the firing is close in and up to distances no more than 25 yards. Part of our quals for every agent is still 50 yards and has been since my academy days 17 years ago.

I love Busse knives and I love my three Busse AKs. I also enjoy the videos you have posted on your AK. People here in Afghanistan often ask me why I have a sword in my room. I often reply "you mean you don't?" The sword represents the warrior spirit and I love having it around me.

tyrk, If you are going to add anything to your already impressive collection of weapons, I would add a .556 carbine. It will do everything the shotgun will do and quite a bit more. I am not saying the shotgun is not a great tool, it is just limited.

The Glock pistol is tried and true and impossible to beat in reliability and accuracy for it's price. I carry nothing but Glock, but everyone has their own opinion on that. In my opinion, the most important rule is for responsible citizens to have access to their tools. The only way killing sprees in schools, restaurants, malls or wherever the wolves that hide amongst our society determine to kill, is for a responsible armed citizen to meet that aggression in self defense. Be that person an officer of the law or not. Our society needs more sheep dogs like yourself. The sheep run from the sight of criminal violence or the sound of gunfire. The sheep dog runs toward it. As an officer of the law, sworn to uphold the constitution, I am proud and encouraged by brave and responsible people like you who take their families self-defense serious.

There are current law enforcement schools that train officers to deal with the horror of a school shooting by making them react immediately to go into a school (role play) scenario immediately, with no planning and with officers of different departments/agencies who have never worked together. It shows you that you have to rely upon the person next to you in crisis regardless of who he is.

Always live by the Afghan proverb: "the best weapon is the one closest at hand".
 
HeadKicker: Thank you for your post. You and Morimotom are giving me lots of homework. :D That's good. I, like you, amd Glock and Busse all the way. Lots of other great stuff out there but these are the tools I have chosen, have been reliable, and that's enough for me. Thanks again. :)
 
Tyrkon, I'm certainly no expert, but I would imagine that a shotgun will be a nice HD complement to your tools, especially since you have children in the house. A normal shell of even #8 birdshot can be an "emphatic deterrent" at close quarters, but the shot won't go through walls the same as a rifle's bullet. If you do wind up getting a shotgun, measure the longest room in your house and pattern the gun with just an everyday hunting load. You might be surprised.

For a HD shotgun, some of the models sold as turkey guns are actually good choices. They tend to have shorter barrels and feature interchangeable chokes (whereas a lot of dedicated HD guns are fixed barrels). If you have to use it as a self-defense gun, it looks as though you grabbed your hunting gun in a pinch. Plus, if you need a Thanksgiving bird next year, you can go out and collect one of those Rios in the spring. :D

You NEED a Game Warden or an Active Duty. Nice set. :thumbup:
 
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