Urban Survival: Do's, Don'ts, & Questions

Some take responsibility and acknowledge making bad financial decisions, basically spending all they make (and sometimes more) thinking that their finances will stay as they are. Then they lost their jobs with no savings and no family close by.

Of course you don't even need to make bad decisions - sometimes you just get dealt a bad hand.
i.e. (purely hypothetical)
A guy earning good money marries a woman earning good money, things are good. They decide to buy their own house and stop paying rent. Then she is pregnant and since he earns enough she stops work to be a full time mum. Then the economy drops into the toilet and he loses his job. Neither of them can get a job because no one is hiring right now. They can't keep make the mortgage payment and the housing market has slumped making the house worth less than they owe on it. They lose everything they have and still owe money to the bank, forcing them to declare bankruptcy.

So what did they do wrong? Obviously if then knew that they would be unemployed with a house worth less than they owed then they wouldn't have bought the house. But by the same token, if I knew what next weeks winning lotto numbers would be then I'd be rich. Lacking the ability to see in to the future is a real bugger!
 
(Edit - except for Mannlicher - who is clearly a self-righteous prig with no compassion - Karma buddy, karma).

So how many karma points do you get for name calling ?

From my experiance, I would generally agree with Mannlicher. So I guess I can expect the same comments about my post.
 
Of course you don't even need to make bad decisions - sometimes you just get dealt a bad hand.
i.e. (purely hypothetical)
A guy earning good money marries a woman earning good money, things are good. They decide to buy their own house and stop paying rent. Then she is pregnant and since he earns enough she stops work to be a full time mum. Then the economy drops into the toilet and he loses his job. Neither of them can get a job because no one is hiring right now. They can't keep make the mortgage payment and the housing market has slumped making the house worth less than they owe on it. They lose everything they have and still owe money to the bank, forcing them to declare bankruptcy.

So what did they do wrong? Obviously if then knew that they would be unemployed with a house worth less than they owed then they wouldn't have bought the house. But by the same token, if I knew what next weeks winning lotto numbers would be then I'd be rich. Lacking the ability to see in to the future is a real bugger!

I'm with you on that. You can loose your car and more in a wreck that is in no way your fault. Like I mentioned, in this economy a couple of crisis can put a lot of people under. But it is said that hindsight is 20/20, and what I was hearing from some of them is that in hindsight, been more careful with their expenses and choices could have help them to avoid or minimize the problem. In other words, they learned something from the experience about themselves, their priorities, and the things they'll do different when they get back on their feet.

I know this thread is about urban survival, how to survive while homeless in an urban and/or country setting. I may be completely wrong on this, but in the context of this economy, and since for some people homelessness is a temporary situation, what you learn about yourself while going through this can be as important a tool for when you get back on your feet as camp security and food gathering while homeless.
 
What a well read thought provoking thread. Someone way back at the start mentioned that people are (paraphrasing) a few problems away from being homeless. I couldn't agree more with that statement. I work in Dallas and we have quite a few homeless. I work over in the Harry Hines area very close to the salvation army so we get a lot of people living on the street.

I remember watching a guy sit on a bucket holding a sign up for a couple of months. Some people gave him money, food or smokes and some just passed on by. One day I saw him get off his bucket and cross over into a hotel parking lot and climb into a nicer vehicle than I drive and pulled away.

The point I am making is, as with everything else, there are good people and there are bad. Just because you had a bad interaction with {insert your race here} does not make the entire race bad.

My partner works in the mental health field. The stories she tells me are sad and horrific. When considering the homeless that are drug and alcohol addicted it might be good to take into consideration how many of these people have serious mental illness and have been abandoned by the system and cannot afford the medications they need to be quasi normal.

Some people with schizophrenia take themselves off of medications because they hate the way they feel on them. I don't have any hard data but I would personally suffice that there are more homeless that are damaged by life, finances or health issue's than just being some greedy drug crazed dope fiend looking for their next fix.

I remember when hurricane Katrina hit Louisiana we were bombarded with those images day in and day out. I couldn't help but be struck with what I think was the media's attempt to tie together black people with looting as "look at these awful people."

I think when you are in a disaster like the situation in LA the rules go out the window when no one is helping you. Would I loot and steal in that situation to live? Ya damn right I would.

I guess my rambling attempt to get to a point here is careful how you judge until you walk a mile in their shoes. I have to say in my many years on this forum this has been the best thread I have ever had the pleasure to read.

Sorry for the ramble but this thread really got me to thinking of many different things I have seen, thought and experienced. :thumbup:
 
What a well read thought provoking thread. Someone way back at the start mentioned that people are (paraphrasing) a few problems away from being homeless. I couldn't agree more with that statement. I work in Dallas and we have quite a few homeless. I work over in the Harry Hines area very close to the salvation army so we get a lot of people living on the street.

the whole point of the thread was to promote some introspection, glad you have enjoyed the read.

Interesting that you brought up the harry Hines area. The abandoned house I stayed in there was right off of Harry Hines. I think it was on Jamison Drive, but walking around there now (google maps street view) it looks a lot different now. I think that Storage place there between Jamison and Harry Hines used to be a lumber yard, there was a Seop & Go at the corner of Cullum Lane and Denton Drive. Pretty sure there used to be a Steak and Ale at Webb Chapel and Bachman Drive, and a Pizza Hut and a McDonalds Webb Chapel and Loop 12.

I went back to Dallas looking for old friends after mom was killed. We had lived in the Sherwood Forest Apts, and mom had been head bartender at The Frontier Club. Looking at things there now a lot has changed in that area in the last 25 years.

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the whole point of the thread was to promote some introspection, glad you have enjoyed the read.

Interesting that you brought up the harry Hines area. The abandoned house I stayed in there was right off of Harry Hines. I think it was on Jamison Drive, but walking around there now (google maps street view) it looks a lot different now. I think that Storage place there between Jamison and Harry Hines used to be a lumber yard, there was a Seop & Go at the corner of Cullum Lane and Denton Drive. Pretty sure there used to be a Steak and Ale at Webb Chapel and Bachman Drive, and a Pizza Hut and a McDonalds Webb Chapel and Loop 12.

I went back to Dallas looking for old friends after mom was killed. We had lived in the Sherwood Forest Apts, and mom had been head bartender at The Frontier Club. Looking at things there now a lot has changed in that area in the last 25 years.

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Wow that brought back a few memories. My uncle used to live in those apartments. I work over by Sonny Bryans. I remember growing up in the 60's Harry Hines was a bad area then. Not a lot has changed. That was in the days when they had the old circle. I still remember the Anchor Inn. It might still be there...haven't thought to check.
 
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Wow that brought back a few memories. My uncle used to live in those apartments. I work at UTSW right across the street from Sonny Bryans. I remember growing up in the 60's Harry Hines was a bad area then. Not a lot has changed. That was in the days when they had the old circle. I still remember the Anchor Inn. It might still be there...haven't thought to check.

Yeah, looking at it now brought back a lot of memories for me too. When I lived there at ages 11-13 and road my bike around town a lot I never went towards harry Hines but the other direction. Going back at 16-18 it was an interesting experience.
 
When I started reading this thread this is what came to mind

(Pierce County sheriff’s detectives believe that Robert Dalton Tucksen, 39, is hiding in an “underground encampment” in the forest near Joint Base Lewis-McChord, according to department spokeswoman detective Lynelle Anderson.)

Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/...-may-be-living-underground.html#ixzz11DHmCsdw

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/crim...y-homicide-warrant-issued-for-robert-tucksen/

Haven't caught him yet. Don't think they will.

Anyone that knows the area there are several square miles of forest bordering the town of Spanaway

Bottom line if you want to live this way you have to blend in to not be seen.

A lot of good info here. Great thead
 
Sorry to dig up an old thread but the topic came to mind after my afternoon today.

If you can offer up some encouraging words and excess gear you have laying around, it will help make someones life a little easier. A sincere "thank you" from the recipient is well worth it.
With just a few quick questions, you might learn a little about true survival from a someone who carries all their worldly possessions in a $20 Walmart backpack.
 
Wow Mist..You certianly know how to start a thought provoking conversation. Have been at both ends of the spectrum I state that there is a clear difference in being "down on your luck" and being a "bum", there is a clear difference in being a "street urchin" and a "street rat". barring those that are mentally ill (thru no fault of their own) the choice to be alcohol or drug dependent is a choice...not a lifestyle. If a person chooses to be a alkie/druggie/bum/thief/ect and live in squallor in the woods then I have no sympathy for them, as versus, many a wanderer/traveler or economic downtrodden who keep themselves,their campsites and most importantly their souls clean. As one who has wandered I say keep the gearload small and mobile and as much as need and the law can overlap, legal. IMHO being out in the country is better than being in the urban. A little knowledge of edible plants,primitive traps and a willingness to an honest days work in exchange for a meal and a night in a barn or horse stable go a long way. In closing ,if anyone see's the sitution coming or finds themselves facing the "homeless" day...Mistwalkers tag line at the bottom of his post is advice well followed.
 
As a policeman for years i dealt with homeless folk. Skip the machete when packing. Something like a multitool or SAK will go over with police much better and would be more useful IMO. Watch your cook fires. A homeless man let his cook fire get away from him and burned multi acres and houses in Austin Tx. He is in custody for arson at this time. Further, Austin Police then went around ticketing any and all homeless they could find cooking out.
 
barring those that are mentally ill (thru no fault of their own) the choice to be alcohol or drug dependent is a choice...not a lifestyle. If a person chooses to be a alkie/druggie/bum/thief/ect and live in squallor in the woods then I have no sympathy for them, as versus, many a wanderer/traveler or economic downtrodden who keep themselves,their campsites and most importantly their souls clean.

For many alcohol is not a choice. I have a friend who struggled with alcohol for years. If he started drinking he couldn't stop. He would continue to drink until he lost his job and his apartment and everything in it. He would eventually quit and enter rehab (generally through the Salvation Army or someplace free or inexpensive) and be good for a while. However, the urge would start and the downward spiral would begin. Finally he started his life over in a new state and seems to be doing great.

Chad
 
Sorry to dig up an old thread but the topic came to mind after my afternoon today.

If you can offer up some encouraging words and excess gear you have laying around, it will help make someones life a little easier. A sincere "thank you" from the recipient is well worth it.
With just a few quick questions, you might learn a little about true survival from a someone who carries all their worldly possessions in a $20 Walmart backpack.

There are always groups of homeless in and around the park here. Some are wanderers exploring the world while they are young and I get that. Some have just hit rough spots and I get that too. Having been there myself I have talked to several over the years, I've given some advice and lessons, and given out gear, clothes, and food. I have also had to explain to a few that just because I understand and try to help doesn't mean that I am taking them to raise and that not every time i pass through the area will I have something to share with them. There are others among them that have a totally different perspective. They are predatory and have no intentions of changing. Those are the ones I find worrisome. I have had to deal with them before and I am pretty good at maintaining my distance from them and letting them know it's really not going to be worth it if they push the issue.


Wow Mist..You certianly know how to start a thought provoking conversation. Have been at both ends of the spectrum I state that there is a clear difference in being "down on your luck" and being a "bum", there is a clear difference in being a "street urchin" and a "street rat". barring those that are mentally ill (thru no fault of their own) the choice to be alcohol or drug dependent is a choice...not a lifestyle. If a person chooses to be a alkie/druggie/bum/thief/ect and live in squallor in the woods then I have no sympathy for them, as versus, many a wanderer/traveler or economic downtrodden who keep themselves,their campsites and most importantly their souls clean. As one who has wandered I say keep the gearload small and mobile and as much as need and the law can overlap, legal. IMHO being out in the country is better than being in the urban. A little knowledge of edible plants,primitive traps and a willingness to an honest days work in exchange for a meal and a night in a barn or horse stable go a long way. In closing ,if anyone see's the sitution coming or finds themselves facing the "homeless" day...Mistwalkers tag line at the bottom of his post is advice well followed.

I'm surprised this thread is still going, but the whole point was to provoke thought. Current times inspire a lot of thoughts in me.


As a policeman for years i dealt with homeless folk. Skip the machete when packing. Something like a multitool or SAK will go over with police much better and would be more useful IMO. Watch your cook fires. A homeless man let his cook fire get away from him and burned multi acres and houses in Austin Tx. He is in custody for arson at this time. Further, Austin Police then went around ticketing any and all homeless they could find cooking out.

I may have had some insight, first experiencing the streets during middle school and still having a home, but a machete was never even a consideration for me in my time of homelessness. I was never all that far away from civilization so the largest knife I ever carried in my pack was an issue survival knife. Multi-tools weren't around yet, but I did have an issue folder with various tools on it. I wish there had of been a knife like the Becker necker, the HEST, or the Izula available back then. I also never cooked and slept in the same area. I usually cooked well away from where I slept because the smell of cooking food can draw more than one kind of unwanted attention.


good post thanks

Thanks Ivan, glad you enjoyed it.


For many alcohol is not a choice. I have a friend who struggled with alcohol for years. If he started drinking he couldn't stop. He would continue to drink until he lost his job and his apartment and everything in it. He would eventually quit and enter rehab (generally through the Salvation Army or someplace free or inexpensive) and be good for a while. However, the urge would start and the downward spiral would begin. Finally he started his life over in a new state and seems to be doing great.

Chad

I know a lot of people out there on the streets drink. I was a minor so it wouldn't have been an easy option for me anyway but I was never compelled to drink even when it was available. I wanted to keep a clear head. I saw a lot of drunks mugged for what few simple possessions they had. With the mindset I had even then the last thing I intended to be was a victim.
 
It's been a while since anyone posted to this excellent thread, but I thought this might be worth mentioning. It's a documentary about the largest contiguous 'community' of homeless in the U.S: Skid Row in downtown Los Angeles.

The movie is called Skid Row.

"A documentary that chronicles Pras Michel's 9-day experiment as a homeless man in downtown Los Angeles."

He definitely found out the hard way about a lot of things that most people don't think about when it comes to being homeless in a large metropolitan area.
 
Thanks I'll check it out. Everybody learns a lot from their first experiments in homelessness ;)
 
Being homeless is a desperate, sometimes soul-crushing experience for some.. While for others, it is freedom. Complete freedom. My wife and I have helped out several homeless people this year. We came across a homeless woman
several years younger than me, and it was cold and going to rain--I pulled off my new leathers and gave it to her, "It'll shed the rain and will keep you warm. Watch whom you talk with, don't take rides, and don't let people get close enough to grab you.". I felt that was better than pushing a couple bucks into her hand and walking away. She was so grateful, she cried. It was sad. Often times though, it's hard to tell if the person is genuine or fake, that girl
cried over a dusty (though, new) jacket. I'd rather give someone food than money, as in a position like that, you can be certain they are hungry. For the homeless, there is nothing more dangerous than the weather. Heatstroke, hypothermia..both can kill and efficiently so. I don't think there is anyway to prepare for the shock of it.
 
I had great plans at one point to become a rubber tramp :) No joke.... I was married at 19 and a dad shortly thereafter...wife ran out with son at 23. Busting my hump and living off cornflakes to pay support and mortgage. Slept in truck just before payday a number of times because I lacked the gas to drive home and back. Thoughts of selling it all and packing the truck with tools and camping gear and making my way slowly across the US were very enticing!!!

The life can have some advantages. I am sure I would have settled in time but the adventure might have bee nice as it was to be done on my terms.

These days, my wife and I have but one car and no cable TV- living "small" and building a little bit of savings for a saftey net. Her company just anounced they are laying off 200 people in the next 60 days....

Bill
 
Very interesting thread and good stories. Thank you all, especially mistwalker, for the insight.

I grew up in pretty good conditions. My parents are middle class people, my dad's a high school teacher (bio and music) and my mom's a singer/singing teacher. Homelessness was something I sometimes noticed at the edge of my life, people begging, in front of the supermarket we used to get our groceries at. I distinctly remember an encounter me and my parents had with a homeless woman who asked for a cigarette. My mom told her we didn't have any, and she asked for some spare change. While my dad was fumbling with his wallet, I asked her "Don't you have any money yourself?". She said "No". I asked "Not even in your bank account?". I think I'll never forget her sad smile as she shook her head and answered "No, little one. Not even in my bank account". I must have been very young at that time, probably 7 or 8.

The first experience I personally had with being homeless was when I started going on trips with the boy scouts. We used to go on 3 week trips in the summer, exploring a foreign country. I was in Slovakia, Spain, Norway and England. We used to hike around in small groups for 2 1/2 weeks and then meet up with the whole troop in the capital city to spend the last 3 days together. My patrol always arrived there early, and we had to spend anything from 1 night to 3 nights/2 days there. Sure, it wasn't real homelessness, but it gave us some insight how miserable you can get in London, for example. We tried to sleep in a park, got sent away by the police. They told us to get to Victoria Station. We walked there, took us 1.5 hrs. When we arrived, they were clearing everyone out of the building and locking it up for the night (about 0200). Suddenly we found ourselves in a group of maybe 200 homeless people who had all tried to get some sleep in the train station. We were all just standing there, aimless, not knowing where to go next. The police came, ordering the crowd to disperse and go away. We put our last money together and bought a burger (1 burger for 6 hungry boys isn't much) and then went looking for another place to sleep. We finally found some sculpture that provided some cover (7ft wide steel frame with steel plates on the sides), rolled out our sleeping bags and were out in a second. 3 hrs later (0600) we were woken up by a security guard and a few police men. Their plan was to lock us up for trespassing, but when we explained our situation they let us go with a warning.

We spent the rest of the morning just walking through central london. No money left, nothing to do. We tried to sing a few of our songs at street corners to earn a few quid, but there was always some bike police officer out of nowhere, often even before we started to sing. Crazy. We eventually met up with our troop in the early afternoon, and it was the most relaxing feeling ever.

I wanted to take it up a notch, after moving to the inner city and walking the streets, often at night. I noticed how many homeless people there are around here. In the summer of 2011, I packed a bag with a few essentials, told my roommate I'd be back in a week, and walked out the door without keys, mobile phone or wallet. It was a crazy experience. I think I was equipped a lot better than most homeless people I see daily, with an expensive multitool and a small fixed blade, a sleeping bag and pad, all that good stuff. I got by pretty well by collecting bottles and cans (we have a pledge system for those here, a bottle will get you between 8 and 25 cents, depending on the bottle) in the first days. I helped out at markets, I helped a few storeowners, got a little money or some food. I didn't beg, there are few people who give money to beggars here and I didn't want to take anything away from the people who really needed it. I had 50€ of emergency cash well hidden.

Water was a problem. It was pretty hot in that week, and keeping warm at night was a piece of cake, but I needed a lot of water, and sometimes I simply didn't have the money or food was more important after not eating for a day.

I didn't socialize with the "real" homeless people, I stayed away from the spots where they usually meet (which, unfortunately, are also the best places to beg at). I didn't have any ID on me, would the police have arrested me, the experiment would have been over, and I would have spent about a day in custody, my things taken away and probably never given back. I didn't want that to happen, so I stayed on my own. I slept in parks, under bridges, on top of buildings when I could get there. I think I was pretty stealthy, and I think nobody noticed me sleeping.
 
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