Use caution when dealing with darrex

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pwrdbycotn

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This thread is in reference to the knife posted here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1400136-withdrawn-from-sale

The point of starting this thread in the gbu is to let everyone know to use caution when dealing with darrex. The posts in the thread are pretty self-explanatory but I will make a short summary and explain why I felt a GBU thread should be started. The knife was posted for sale at 5:10 am Central and I responded a few seconds later (clock rolled over to 5:11) stating that I would take it. The seller apparently quickly logged out after posting the thread as he did not come back online for over twelve hours. At that time he stated that he appreciated everyone's interest but the knife was mine to purchase. I quoted him and he later edited. You can see his original post in my quote. He pm'd me a few minutes later and gave his paypal address and told me when he would ship. I was driving at the time and stopped and payed him the $560 net ($577.05) that he wanted for the knife. After I paid him I sent a pm asking him to send tracking information when he shipped the knife. He responded saying he was unsure if he wanted to sell and needed some time to think on it. He proceeded to wait another twelve hours and then refunded the money I sent.

The fact that he changed his mind about selling the knife is not that big of deal. People change their mind and withdraw knives all the time. Darrex had twelve hours after posting the knife for sale to withdraw it if he didn't want to sell. Why he suddenly had a change of heart after I paid is anyone's guess, and several members have tried to lol. However, he allowed me to pay and then started having second thoughts. At that point the money should have been refunded immediately. It should not have taken another twelve hours for him to gather a thought while holding my money. Either sell the knife or don't, but don't hold someone's money while trying to make that decision.
 
I wholeheartedly agree that the members here should be aware of how this guy handled himself. This is the type of behavior that we don't need on BF. Isn't "testing the waters" discouraged?
 
Crappy situation, but glad you got your refund. I always handle a deal like you are face to face with the guy, and handing him cash, and he's handing you a knife. In your case, it would be like giving the guy the cash, and then he keeps his hand on the knife and says to come back in 12 hours. I can understand your frustration. Likely he was impressed with the number of "I'll take it" that he got, and he'll relist it in a week for $100 more.
 
Maybe he got an offer and sold it privately. Not the end of the world I bet something better will come up.
 
Sosa said:
Maybe he got an offer and sold it privately. Not the end of the world I bet something better will come up.
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I would have to agree with the train of thought that he had several higher offers. And while not the end of the world it does say something about this individuals ethics. I don't know that I would trust him to keep his word.
 
I was 4th inline for this one and while the seller didn't specifically say "1st I'll take it" he should have honored selling the knife. I specifically said as part of my offer that I realize he was in Italy, and I would kick in extra for my shipping charge if it gets in line to me, but I fully expected that the seller should have honored the sale after taking the PayPal.
 
This isn't about the first "I'll take it" gets it. It's about the fact that the guy ACCEPTED PAYMENT and then reneged. It wasn't his knife anymore when he "backed out".
 
Corytr said:
This isn't about the first "I'll take it" gets it. It's about the fact that the guy ACCEPTED PAYMENT and then reneged. It wasn't his knife anymore when he "backed out".
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This would be my take on it
I was a bit surprised to see he(seller) was not new to the forum. He should have known better, by now IMO.
 
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This is not to excuse darrex's actions, those speak for themselves.

I do think the situation was made worse with everyone jumping in line and saying what a great deal it was. I am sure he felt the fool for what he had it priced at after all of the comments. I've seen this in other sales threads too. Maybe 2nds and 3rds is adequate backup....

As far as him getting a better offer, that is pure speculation and I don't think it is the reason darrex pulled it "in the heat of the moment". If he did, I sure hope it wasn't from someone on BF undercutting pwrdbycotn. Of course, by now he may have had several offers.
 
Corytr said:
This isn't about the first "I'll take it" gets it. It's about the fact that the guy ACCEPTED PAYMENT and then reneged. It wasn't his knife anymore when he "backed out".
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Exactly. If just a few minutes had passed and he refunded then no big deal. After having 12 hours to think on it before even coming back to check on the thread and then accepting payment, the only discussion should have been about where to ship it.
 
Vaporstang said:
This is not to excuse darrex's actions, those speak for themselves.

I do think the situation was made worse with everyone jumping in line and saying what a great deal it was. I am sure he felt the fool for what he had it priced at after all of the comments. I've seen this in other sales threads too. Maybe 2nds and 3rds is adequate backup....

As far as him getting a better offer, that is pure speculation and I don't think it is the reason darrex pulled it "in the heat of the moment". If he did, I sure hope it wasn't from someone on BF undercutting pwrdbycotn. Of course, by now he may have had several offers.
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Unfortunately, I agree with this. I say unfortunately because I posted in that thread as well. I did try to make it right though... My apologies to you, pwrdbycotn.
 
Up to taking payment maybe- he had 12 hours to reflect. But taking payment then reneging after another 12 hours is not good.

Out of curiosity- What's the knife worth when he priced it at $577? I was thinking maybe a newbie mistake but he's been a member for 8 years and has 43 positive transactions so he should have known what he's doing and held up his end of the bargain.
 
Corytr said:
Unfortunately, I agree with this. I say unfortunately because I posted in that thread as well. I did try to make it right though... My apologies to you, pwrdbycotn.
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Actually I have to call myself out for doing that in other sales threads too. I think I've posted 4ths or 5ths before. I will have to be more respectful in the future....
 
I am of the opinion that when a knife has been listed for sale, once someone says that they will unequivocally take it (as the OP here did in this case), then the knife is no longer the seller's knife to do with as he pleases unless he specifically has stated that he reserves the right to refuse sale to anyone for any reason. I understand that my position is not the law, and that the law requires an exchange of something of value, like money. My position is based merely on common courtesy and taking responsibility for your actions--things which appear to be generally lacking in today's world. If you are going to list a knife for sale, but choose to not adequately research the market value of the knife for whatever reason, then why should someone else have to pay for your haste and ignorance?

The OP said he would take the seller's knife. In doing so, regardless of when the actual transfer of money took place, in the OP's mind, he now has that money committed. What if he forgoes something else which is only available in a short window because he thinks his money already went for the knife he tried to buy? It is nothing less than utter BS that simply by virtue of the existence of a sales ad and the OP's intent to buy the item for sale in the ad that now the OP is getting screwed. He did nothing wrong.

I neither know nor care what excuse the seller has for not selling the knife in question to pwrdbycotn. What I do know for a fact, and what I do care a great deal about, is that darrex is clearly more interested in himself than doing the right (hard) thing.
 
pwrdbycotn said:
Exactly. If just a few minutes had passed and he refunded then no big deal. After having 12 hours to think on it before even coming back to check on the thread and then accepting payment, the only discussion should have been about where to ship it.
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Absolutely, the most disturbing fact is money was accepted therefore making it a sale. Darrex should have never accepted funds if he had sellers remorse. I've bought a couple knives that the seller knew was listed too cheap, but they honored their selling price. I've seen knives pulled from the exchange before they were looked at. I've seen knives pulled after someone said "I'll take it" with no funds exchanged.
This is the first time I've ever seen funds sent, accepted from the seller and then refunded.
It only leads one's imagination to assume as to why this type of transaction took place. Bottom line is, Darrex should have honored his end of the deal.
IMO, if a persons word of honor can't be trusted, what's the point of any dealings with that person. Like I've been told before, it only takes one "oh crap" to erase all the "atta boys"
 
Just not cool on darrex's part. Not cool at all.



Ghostwalker54 said:
I would have to agree with the train of thought that he had several higher offers. And while not the end of the world it does say something about this individuals ethics. I don't know that I would trust him to keep his word.
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That was my thought as I've seen it happen before when someone lists something at a great price, yet offers roll in after the knife is claimed and even paid for. Bannable offense on some forums.
 
Not pointing fingers at any of the second third or fourths but I wouldn't be surprised if someone on here told him what he had and offered him a lot more. So now everyone can assume that the sellers ethics are worth a few hundred bucks smh
 
on_the_edge said:
I am of the opinion that when a knife has been listed for sale, once someone says that they will unequivocally take it (as the OP here did in this case), then the knife is no longer the seller's knife to do with as he pleases unless he specifically has stated that he reserves the right to refuse sale to anyone for any reason. I understand that my position is not the law, and that the law requires an exchange of something of value, like money. My position is based merely on common courtesy and taking responsibility for your actions--things which appear to be generally lacking in today's world. If you are going to list a knife for sale, but choose to not adequately research the market value of the knife for whatever reason, then why should someone else have to pay for your haste and ignorance?

The OP said he would take the seller's knife. In doing so, regardless of when the actual transfer of money took place, in the OP's mind, he now has that money committed. What if he forgoes something else which is only available in a short window because he thinks his money already went for the knife he tried to buy? It is nothing less than utter BS that simply by virtue of the existence of a sales ad and the OP's intent to buy the item for sale in the ad that now the OP is getting screwed. He did nothing wrong.

I neither know nor care what excuse the seller has for not selling the knife in question to pwrdbycotn. What I do know for a fact, and what I do care a great deal about, is that darrex is clearly more interested in himself than doing the right (hard) thing.
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Offer. Acceptance. Contract. Very simple under the law. Consideration was present for both sides: knife for payment. This is how the world of business works. Buyer fully performed by payment. Seller breached contract by unjustified repudiation.
 
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