USMC needs to be more discrete

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There will always be Oswald's. Being a Marine was secondary. At any rate, you have to believe he made the shots with a Italian Carcano.


I'll say again the Armed services can only reflect the society around them. Since a little less than half of all murders one year were commited by Black males between the ages of 14 and 20 something; lets hear it for a racial break down of murder. Don't like that? Than how about a break down of violence based upon fatherless homes.
How about a correlation between reading ability and violence?
We live in a society where atheletes paied millions of dollars every year can't refrain from rape and murder; why should poor servicemen show a higher standard?

I'm not very happy with Politicians, either. Anyone believe Condit? Kennedy?
Hollywood actors impress anyone? Berreta didn't do so good, or Fatty Arbuckle, or Roman Polansky, that SOB.


This thread is incorrectly labled. It should not ask for more discretion. What's that, anyway? The rapist carry a morning after pill and wear a mask? Perhaps he should have enough discretion to pick a time and place where he won't get caught. Discretion is for for selecting the type and model of automobile, or not having political arguments for a women's right to choose in a Catholic brunch; it is hardly apt applied to rape and murder. I was very discrete; I wrapped the still beating heart in a hanky and brought it home with me and cooked it before eating.

munk
 
The infantry has it's fair share of horror stories. A lot of the problem is that we are a volunteer army, so (on the whole) the military enlisted man is from a poorer background than middle America. This is less true of the air force in general. The Army and the Marine Corps both have elaborate support systems to keep soldiers stable.
 
Well, a lot of this stuff has been close to home for me.
So, it has a certain appearance to me and my family in Texas.
I have relatives in the Army.

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Is true that Marines are taught to kill. Marksmanship is emphasized. Every Marine a rifleman, and all that. Marines are also taught core values "Honor, Courage, Commitment".

The azzhole who rapes and beats a 13 year old child is neither a Marine nor a member of the human race. Any true Marine Brother would gleefully cut the ball sack off the bastard and stuff it up his sick azz.

Semp
 
Last night I watched the History Channel special on Wake Island. I think you'd have to forget an incredible history of sacrafise and honor to remember one, who as Semper says, is not even a member of the human race, let alone a Marine.




munk
 
A fraternity brother of mine became a Marine, he came back from basic a truly different person. It really creeped us out. Did the training change him, or uncover someone who was always there? I don't know.
 
Bobwhite said:
...Did the training change him, or uncover someone who was always there?...
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Like the song goes:
"....the Marine Corps builds men,
so they're tearing me down to build me over again."

Like any building/rebuilding process, a lot can go wrong that never gets discovered until a lot later - especially when it's the government doing the building.

Most people would never trust the government to build them a house, or a car, or to handle their medical treatment, but never think twice about handing over their entire being to be restructured by the military.
 
let's face it guys, when your in the teens and early 20's your somewhat
dangerous. That's why car insurance for the age group is quite expensive. Nature made us that way for a purpose, every tribe needs sturdy soldiers( scary works too). But isn't that part of the purpose, not only am I going to send these soldiers to your country but I will be sending guys that are pumped up on testrostone, adrenline , and martial confidence, and the fact that they will be armed to the teeth with the best money can buy, Scares the hell out of me, even though I was one of them at one time( or maybe because I was one of them). That's one reason why discipline is so important, If they ran amoke it could be quite alarming.....Every once in a while , things get weird . I think it happens with all the services, It is usually a series of unfortunate events, poor decision making and\or a lack of discipline of the individual or group of individuals and from my military experience it happens more often than most care to admit. More importantly it is something to survive from an individual standpoint.....
 
Unlikely the branch of service has anything to do with the crimes.

Rape is considered a crime of violence and control. Individuals involved are responsible for their own behavior, and unless there is a culture of violence against women encouraged which demands such behavior, the individual makes a choice.

Singling out a branch of the military is as inappropriate as singling out a race.
At best, it is as inaccurate as most sweeping generalizations; at worst, it is a form of bias.





Be well and safe.
 
There is a difference between the mentality of Marines and other members of the armed forces. I think any real marines will know what I'm talking about and I suspect that this difference DOES have something to do with it.
 
Danny - Enough. I tried subtle, it didn't work.
 
Nasty, I have two things to say: I really like Danny. The second is you so often try for diplomacy, I forgot you could be direct and define the line when needed. Congratulations! Hey- that's good stuff.

There's nothing wrong with being told enough is enough in the company of friends.

Danny, there is something seemingly inconsistant with you digging into the Marines while using a ninja in your signature atavar. See?

I would like to say this yet for the third time in this thread; I cannot think of the Marines without thinking of Pappy and Semper, and the history like in Somalia and the reseviour in Korea. Forgive my spelling. Dig into Marine history, and actually our military history, ( like the elite force Army guy who used a M14 to hold off armed gangs in Somalia to protect a downed pilot, giving away his life) and you will find courage and kindness.
I'm a sap, but it brings tears to my eyes every time.

In an Age of Nothingess, recognition of those who found a way to stand must be given. To wrap them in the same cloth as criminals is wrong.
munk
 
Nasty and everyone else here knows ,or at least they should know that I support my country and all of our armed services.
They also know what I am talking about.

I recently had a conversation with a young active-duty Marine. We were discussing something about the role of the armed forces in riot control, etc..
Basically, he made the point to me that the Marines were special, that the laws of the United States did not apply to them, in his words " they did not follow anything "national" and that they only did what the president said and didnt listen to anyone else.
That philospohy is significant.

I wont talk about this anymore, but I am not going to recant.
Is that fair enough?
 
Good enough Danny...but I am still going to kick your ass for picking on my brothers when I see you.
 
Nasty said:
Good enough Danny...but I am still going to kick your ass for picking on my brothers when I see you.
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I would like to be there as well. As they say, More Coming.

Danny - one young active-duty Marine does not speak for the entire Marine Corps.

Time to let this topic go......
 
it's part of the training dude, the airborne, rangers, Special Forces are all the same,this I have experance as I have trained with them and the marines. if you ask a marine if he is special He will tell you that he is , If you ask a paratrooper if he is special he will tell you that he is..... OK if you ask a ninja if he is special he will tell you that he is , get it yet? It's esprit de corp an that is not a bad thing. Do realize that each does have some special training ( which is specialized to a particular situation or combat style) but that can they are all deadly in the particular circumstance that they trained. But killin is killin and dead is dead , so that kind of makes them all warriors now doesn't it.

What he says about answering to the president is true as well but it is true of all the armed services. You answer to the chain of command . You also sign away some of your constitutional rights when you sign the dotted line. The UCMJ is not anywhere near what civialian courts are. Your boss ican be your judge ( think about that for a minute), especially in the field.

people make bad decision , rangers , marines, seals, paratrooper and I bet even ninjas from time to time. That doesn't make the organization bad or the group bad, just the individuals doing bone head stuff.
 
brantoken said:
people make bad decision , rangers , marines, seals, paratrooper and I bet even ninjas from time to time.
That doesn't make the organization bad or the group bad, just the individuals doing bone head stuff.
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Hayv! It is true! I think that's what everyone has been saying in their own way.
 
Speaking of the war and such. I was reading an interesting Blog from Iraq "Baghdad Burning" that is done by an Iraqi girl. Interesting stuff. Seldom do we hear from anyone on the ground over there

"This was an interesting piece of news a couple of days ago:

The United States has ended its physical search for weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, which was cited by the first administration of President George W Bush as the main reason for invading the country, the White House has said.

Why does this not surprise me? Does it surprise anyone? I always had the feeling that the only people who actually believed this war was about weapons of mass destruction were either paranoid Americans or deluded expatriate Iraqis- or a combination of both. I wonder now, after hundreds and hundreds of Americans actually died on Iraqi soil and over a hundred-thousand Iraqis are dead, how Americans view the current situation. I have another question- the article mentions a "Duelfer Report" stating the weapons never existed and all the intelligence was wrong. This report was supposedly published in October 2004. The question is this: was this report made public before the elections? Did Americans actually vote for Bush with this knowledge?

Over here, it's not really "news" in the sense that it's not new. We've been expecting a statement like this for the last two years. While we were aware the whole WMD farce was just a badly produced black comedy, it's still upsetting to hear Bush's declaration that he was wrong. It's upsetting because it just confirms the worst: right-wing Americans don't care about justifying this war. They don't care about right or wrong or innocents dead and more to die. They were somewhat ahead of the game. When they saw their idiotic president wasn't going to find weapons anywhere in Iraq, they decided it would be about mass graves. It wasn't long before the very people who came to 'liberate' a sovereign country soon began burying more Iraqis in mass graves. The smart weapons began to stupidly kill 'possibly innocent' civilians (they are only 'definitely innocent' if they are working with the current Iraqi security forces or American troops). It went once more from protecting poor Iraqis from themselves to protecting Americans from 'terrorists'. Zarqawi very conveniently entered the picture.

Zarqawi is so much better than WMD. He's small, compact and mobile. He can travel from Falloojeh to Baghdad to Najaf to Mosul… whichever province or city really needs to be oppressed. Also, conveniently, he looks like the typical Iraqi male- dark hair, dark eyes, olive skin, medium build. I wonder how long it will take the average American to figure out that he's about as substantial as our previously alleged WMD.

Now we're being 'officially' told that the weapons never existed. After Iraq has been devastated, we're told it's a mistake. You look around Baghdad and it is heart-breaking. The streets are ravaged, the sky is a bizarre grayish-bluish color- a combination of smoke from fires and weapons and smog from cars and generators. There is an endless wall that seems to suddenly emerge in certain areas to protect the Green Zoners... There is common look to the people on the streets- under the masks of fear, anger and suspicion, there's also a haunting look of uncertainty and indecision. Where is the country going? How long will it take for things to even have some vague semblance of normality? When will we ever feel safe?

A question poses it self at this point- why don't they let the scientists go if the weapons don't exist? Why do they have Iraqi scientists like Huda Ammash, Rihab Taha and Amir Al Saadi still in prison? Perhaps they are waiting for those scientists to conveniently die in prison? That way- they won't be able to talk about the various torture techniques and interrogation tactics...

I hope Americans feel good about taking their war on terror to foreign soil. For bringing the terrorists to Iraq- Chalabi, Allawi, Zarqawi, the Hakeems… How is our current situation going to secure America? How is a complete generation that is growing up in fear and chaos going to view Americans ten years from now? Does anyone ask that? After September 11, because of what a few fanatics did, Americans decided to become infected with a collective case of xenophobia… Yet after all Iraqis have been through under the occupation, we're expected to be tolerant and grateful. Why? Because we get more wheat in our diets?

Terror isn't just worrying about a plane hitting a skyscraper…terrorism is being caught in traffic and hearing the crack of an AK-47 a few meters away because the National Guard want to let an American humvee or Iraqi official through. Terror is watching your house being raided and knowing that the silliest thing might get you dragged away to Abu Ghraib where soldiers can torture, beat and kill. Terror is that first moment after a series of machine-gun shots, when you lift your head frantically to make sure your loved ones are still in one piece. Terror is trying to pick the shards of glass resulting from a nearby explosion out of the living-room couch and trying not to imagine what would have happened if a person had been sitting there.

The weapons never existed. It's like having a loved one sentenced to death for a crime they didn't commit- having your country burned and bombed beyond recognition, almost. Then, after two years of grieving for the lost people, and mourning the lost sovereignty, we're told we were innocent of harboring those weapons. We were never a threat to America...

Congratulations Bush- we are a threat now.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
 
hollowdweller said:
Speaking of the war and such. I was reading an interesting Blog from Iraq "Baghdad Burning" that is done by an Iraqi girl. Interesting stuff. Seldom do we hear from anyone on the ground over there

Congratulations Bush- we are a threat now.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
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I hear and see enough positive stuff about the war from American Soldiers over there fighting the Terrorists that for me to believe such a pile of clap trap shit as this would be a long hop.:rolleyes: :grumpy:
I also read enough from the Iraqi citizens here in a positive way that also tells me this girl's blog is a piece of Fanatical Muslim BS. The good Iraqi Muslims don't feel this way.

I don't believe anyone likes the war but I also believe it goes and extends even further than we can imagine. We're already fighting Iran in Iraq or we would already have invaded Iran And their nuclear sites!
It ain't gonna be over for a mighty long time, better get used to it.:(
 
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