Usps Insurance-useless!!!

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I recently learned that I've wasted a WHOLE lot of money insuring
knives that I ship! USPS will not pay an insurance claim unless
you can produce a receipt for the items' original purchase. I don't
know about anyone else but I don't have receipts for the majority of my knives, particularly since many of them have been purchased/traded for from fellow forumites. Do UPS and FedEx require receipts before they will honor claims? I think my knife trading/selling days are about over. I'm not about to ship any high end knife without the ability to insure it and will retain receipts on any purchases made from internet dealers or B&M shops. Any solutions folks?
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Can others chime in with similar experience. I am starting to agree with Dex...USPS is realling not that reliable in this arena.

Lately I am springing for 2nd day air though that adds $25 to the bill to get it ship to Alaska.:barf:
 
I know this to be true of all the carriers. Eventually, I hope, a plaintiff's lawyer, or a state insurance commissioner, will lose something valuable that he thought he had "insured," and this will get straightened out.
 
UPS will pay as long as you can show some sort of paperwork with the description and price you're selling it for.If you're selling a knife make yourself a copy of the receipt for what your charging for the knife,plus shipping.Ken
 
This is my understanding and what I was told by my local (as well as the toll free number) USPS employee.

If you do not have a receipt for the item purchased (because I had a Crson Model 4 that I bought "used" and I thought the USPS had lost it, it turned up, whew:eek: ) then you must PROVE the replacement value of the item. I other words they will probably not give you $1200 for a $600 Emerson custom knife because "thats what the price is due to demand" but I think they would give you the $600 it would cost to replace the Emerson (if you were EVER that lucky).

Kit Carson was real helpful and we started doing paperwork on the missing Model 4, the postal employees said a catalog picture showing the item and price would be good enough. Kit was getting ready to send me that plus a personal letter stating the replacement value for the Model 4 (of course I'd have to wait two years to get it;) ), but you get the picture.

The very least I would do is send it insured, I've heard too many horror stories about other carriers and have always (knock on wood) had good luck with USPS. By sending it insured you are requiring a signature from SOMEONE on the other end showing they received the item. Better yet send it Express Mail, little more but automatically insured for up to $500 (and you can add more if you want). You get a tracking number where you can follow the package across the country and if it does not show up when its supposed to, you get yer money back. Again (knck on wood) haven't lost one yet through this method.
 
The USPS refused to pay me for a package they lost because I couldn't prove that it wasn't delivered when they claimed that it was. Since the package was allegedly signed for I felt that the burden of proof resides with them. Logic has little effect on bureaucracy.
 
I've given up shipping by the USPS both personally and from the office. Yes, we have a few glitches with UPS on occasions but they are way easier to file a claim with.
Stay Safe,
Clyde
 
Insurance is a problem with all shipping companies. They all need proof of value for the shipped product. They will accept a quote from the manufacturer of the item, but they must have something. Also, when you ship something, list exactly what is inside the package in the area supplied for a description of what is being shipped. That way they will not question whether the item lost is indeed the item you have stated it to be.
 
Know that UPS's insurance is the biggest scam in the world.

What are the two events you'd expect UPS's insurance to cover? Loss of the package and damage, of course.

When, when you ship a UPS package, you sign a little chit that states that you agree to UPS's rules.

One of those rules is that claims for lost packages must be filed in, as I recall, sixty days of shipping. This isn't unreasonable. All insurance has a "statute of limitations." They can't manage their risk exposure if they have people making claims about packages shipped six years ago. So, there's a limit. BUT, another UPS rule says that you can't file your claim until UPS declares the package lost. That's reasonable too. They really don't want to be processing claims for packages that might just be delayed. AND a third UPS rule says that a package isn't automatically declared lost until it's been missing for something like sixty-five days. So, to avoid paying any claims for loss, all UPS has to do is just not voluntarily declare the package lost prematurely. It's not automatically declared lost until it's too late for you to claim. Clever how they wrote those rules, isn't it?

What about damage? Let's listen in on a typical claims call:

UPS: UPS insurance claim department. Are you calling to file a claim for a damaged package?

Customer: Yes.

UPS: Claim Denied! Thank you for calling.

Cust: Wait a minute.

UPS: Yes?

Cust: Why was my claim denied?

UPS: The box was improperly packed and according to our rules, which you agreed to, we're not responsible for damage if the box was improperly packed.

Cust: But it wasn't improperly packed.

UPS: Yes it was.

Cust: No. It wasn't.

UPS: Yes it was.

Cust: How do you know that?

UPS: It was damaged, wasn't it?

Cust: Yes.

UPS: There you have it. If you'd properly packed it, it wouldn't have been damaged. The fact that it was damaged proves that it was improperly packed.

Cust: But I saw what happened. Your driver ran over the box... deliberately... three times!

UPS: That can happen. You should pack accordingly. Thank you for using UPS and have a nice day. (click)


In other words, UPS's rules are rigged so that they never have to pay a claim.

One of my favorite UPS stories is of a UPS overnight package that was delivered to me eight days late. After about two days, I called UPS and asked for a refund. They informed me that no refund could be issued until the package was delivered. Why? Because if it's never delivered, then it's lost and there's no refund for postage on a package that's lost. Oh. A day or so later, UPS's tracking site reported that the package was at UPS's depot in Tualatin, Oregon which is about ten minutes drive from my house. "Good. It'll be delivered tomorrow." Nope. So, I called. I was informed that the package was scheduled to be delivered in four days. "Why," I asked, "did you think you could deliver the package from Atlanta, GA to my house in Sherwood overnight if you can't get it from your depot in Tualatin to my house in less than four days?" No answer. That's just the way it is. So, I asked if I could go to the depot and pick it up myself. I've done that with other packages. The answer was No, not this one. Why? That's just the way it is. It has to be delivered. Well, once it was delivered, I called for my refund and was informed that claims for refunds of overnight packages must be filed within seven days of shipping. But, claims can't be filed until the package is delivered. That, my friends, is why that package had to rot in Tualatin for four days so that it would be eight days late and past the limit to file for a refund.
Any company that will go to that sort of elaborate measure to avoid giving a customer a $10 refund that the customer deserves is just plain evil.
 
I drive a truck over-the-road for a living, and I have to have a lot of freight bills sent overnight, so I can get paid for my services. If you pay for next day delivery, and UPS does not get it delivered on time, do not expect a refund even though UPS claims they will give you a refund. I know, I have been round and round with UPS with this type of claim, and to this day I have never been refunded money.

And now to Fedex. If you use Fedex for overnight deliveries, and they do not get package or letter delivered on time, Fedex will refund your money. They have refunded my money on two occasions, and the rest of the time they have delivered overnight 100% of the time.
Big D1
 
Originally posted by Big D1
I drive a truck over-the-road for a living, and I have to have a lot of freight bills sent overnight, so I can get paid for my services. If you pay for next day delivery, and UPS does not get it delivered on time, do not expect a refund even though UPS claims they will give you a refund. I know, I have been round and round with UPS with this type of claim, and to this day I have never been refunded money.

And now to Fedex. If you use Fedex for overnight deliveries, and they do not get package or letter delivered on time, Fedex will refund your money. They have refunded my money on two occasions, and the rest of the time they have delivered overnight 100% of the time.
Big D1

Hmm....interesting! There are not too many occasions in which I must ship something overnight but if I do I'll keep this in mind.
 
We started out on USPS and ended up on UPS............??


UPS IS ANTI GUN!!!!!!!!! DO NOT USE THEM!


USPS is a lot cheaper. and yes, pack it carefully.
I just got two watches that were send on Dec 11, one from SF and the other from Austin, delivered after the new year!! but they came. :)
 
USPS sucks - don't ever expect anything back if you have to file a claim. We gave up when it took over 6 months to get our money back the last time.

As for UPS being Anti-Gun, so's FEDEX and the USPS - you going to trust your firearms to either of them? I've got horror stories for all 3 services, and a couple from others as well.

UPS is it for us. We've tried the rest, and UPS works the best. You want to save a nickel or two and use USPS, go for it - just don't bitch if your $1000 folder goes missing and it takes forever to get your money back.
 
UPS requires absolutely nothing. They lost a set of very good clarinets I was sending to a musician at Northwestern University. I had no receipt or record of purchase because I bought them from the previous owner. Within four weeks I had a check for $5,500.00 in my mailbox.

If that is true about USPS, I am really worried for a knife I sent to a forum member in the service :rolleyes:

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EDIT. When the package was originally shipped, a manger had to inspect the package and sign my receipt confirming the packaging was satisfactory due to the high insurance rate.
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I now mail everything via USPS and do NOT use priority or bother to insure it. I just consumated another great trade with a formite. His ONLY suggestion: I should INSURE my knife. WHY??????? I shipped a Microtech to Florida that NEVER arrived. It has been 11 Months and I am no closer to seeing any of the $300 I insured the knife for than I was when i FIRST put in my claim [and NO it was not an auto]
The USPS HATE to pay off and I wonder IF they EVER do pay an insurance claim. DO THEY??????????????????wolf:( :(
 
Registered mail is the most secure way to ship a package that I've found. A hassel to package maybe (only paper tape, and on all the seams), but it goes from lockup to lockup with USPS employe signature required at every handoff.A very firm trace route in the event of a problem (haven't had one yet).

-Michael
 
Have to agree with the Chef. I've used registered to send/receive some fairly high dollar stuff (watches), and had zero problems. I have an electric tape dispenser, otherwise the paper tape requirement is a major pain. As stated, registered mail runs in a completely separate environment from the rest of the mail, and USPS is very serious about security and tracking.
 
There is some useful info on the "shipping" thread that stays at the top of all trade forums.

IME, USPS has paid for lost of package(s). An original sales receipt is ideal. If not, I have submitted current catalogs of retailers to show its value. Along with a notarized sworn statement from both shipping and receiving partys, these have to be submitted 30 days after original shipping date. Further, a notarized letter along with retail catalog from the maker or manufacturer would help greatly. Such as the case with Kit Carsons aid as previously mentioned. While I had not done this prior, perhaps submitting e mails from both partys in form of hard copies would help show the agreed value of said items.

Additionally, I have successfully obtained full refunds for untimely Express Mail delivery service. One needs to be firm when dealing with Postal employees at their branches. Demand to see the branch supervisor and make sure they know that you know their full names. A hint/ mention at possibly contacting the post master general does add a bit of leverage. Of course we are talking about legit claims.

Seems like a lot to do. But that' s the way the egg rolls :).

Nakano
 
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