Victorinox vs. Leatherman (in terms of quality)

On the MTs, I prefer LM. They give a wonderful warranty, whenever needed. But if I want to send a Spirit for spa treatment and replacing tools - I need to pay for that. Due to warranty. Just FYI: I wanted to send in my Spirit due to rattling tools and such. I got the answer from Vic: Generally I have to pay 17.00 € for that treatment. So - No Thank You For That Offer!

I don't (yet) own a Swisstool of any type, but that kind of customer service is disappointing. I've owned numerous Leatherman tools in my lifetime (as well as MTs from Gerber, SOG, and others), and I can recall three times I've had to sent one in for repair/replacement. The latest I actually just got back yesterday, and all it involved on my part was putting the tool in a padded envelope, writing my return address on the back, and mailing it to their authorized service center here in the Netherlands. (I did, admittedly, have to pay for three stamps.) Literally zero paperwork, unless you count the envelope.

Victorinox, on the other hand, is from the very start not so easy.
 
Extreme rust resistance and scissors are a HUGE plus for the SwissTool. It seems like more people who beat the hell out of their gear rely on Leatherman though.

Decisions decisions. Definitely don't have enough cash for both..
 
Either one is far better than a handful of nothing. They both do basically the same thing, so it all comes down to what you like.

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Millions and millions of SAK owners never use their SAKs for anything.

Think about all of the SAKs you've gifted. Now ask your self how many of them get used. As in, like at all.

Different strokes and all that. Glad we have a choice between the two. But I wouldn't point to the millions of sales as an indication of SAKs utility. SAKs are the ultimate consumer product. They're made to be purchased.

I've bought 6 Leathermans used in pawn shops in the last 4 months, all in IMMACULATE unused condition, so yeah the same description can be said for a lot of Leathermans that are sold. Its a consumer society, a lot of people buy all kinds of stuff and don't use it.
2 of those were Leatherman models that were long discontinued (one discontinued 10 years ago)!
 
I have a Victorinox Swisstool X and a Spirit. I love the X the tools are the best of the best but for me its a real nail killer as the nail nicks are really deep inside the tool. And its brick heavy! The Spirit is by far the most ergonomic multitool i own, the tool selection is ALMOST as good as the X but the nail nicks are very easily accessed. The main down side to the Spirits is that they decided to ditch the tried and true regular Vic scissors and replaced them with an inferior scissor design. Certainly no worse than the scissors on most other multis but not up to the quality/versatility of the regular Vic scissor design.
Still lately i've been carrying a Leatherman Wave over the Vic simply because the Leatherman has a pocket clip and the Vics do not. If Victorinox ever puts real regular vic scissors and a pocket clip on the Spirit then i will gladly buy a new one and carry it again.
 
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I have a few of both brands, Victorinox has better fit and finish, and higher tolerances, you can feel the difference opening and closing the implements. Leatherman has a larger range tools, my one experience with their warranty service was outstanding (20 year old Supertool). I would say go with Victorinox if it has the tool selection you want, otherwise Leatherman is a great choice.
 
I've bought 6 Leathermans used in pawn shops in the last 4 months, all in IMMACULATE unused condition, so yeah the same description can be said for a lot of Leathermans that are sold. Its a consumer society, a lot of people buy all kinds of stuff and don't use it.
2 of those were Leatherman models that were long discontinued (one discontinued 10 years ago)!

That's one of the big secret non-secrets in the multi-tool business. Because many of us are users and interested enough in these things that we participate in group discussions about them, we overlook that the vast majority of buyers have no interest in the subject, whether or not they will actually use them. Many are bought as gifts to recipients who thank their benefactors profusely, then put them away somewhere, possibly the regift drawer. For anyone willing to put in the time and effort, there are virtually unused bargains out there.
 
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It's obvious Leatherman has more options for pliers-based multitools than Victorinox, but I'd love to hear from people who have experience using both brands.

I'm looking at investing in a new multitool in the next week or so, and I've used two Leathermans to date. I love Victorinox Swiss Army knives, but I have never had their Spirit/etc in-hand ever. How do they stack up?

Hi Statesevens, I own and use both brands. Uses range from motorcycle maintenance and repair, small engine repair, home/garden work...general stuff that a multi-tool is so handy for. I carry one with me every day, maybe not on me, but within reach if needed.

I don't abuse my tools, but I do use them and take care of them. I have an expectation that they are multi-tools and should not replace the "real" tools (ie. wrench, pliers, sockets, screwdrivers etc etc) and as such are a handy little tool box.

Here are my thoughts broken down by each brand. I am not trying to convince you either way, but just my experience:

Leatherman:
Core - the first multi-tool I purchased from Leatherman. Used for a trip to the Arctic Circle on my motorcycle via the Dempster Highway in Canada including motorcycle maintenance and camping chores. Also used for countless house chores, garden work, car/lawnmower repairs etc.
Pros: Solid, well built, good assortment of tools (plain edge knife, serrated knife, file, screwdrivers, can opener, saw, pliers). Lock back mechanisms for blades and tools, with added security of handle in case the lock fails.

Cons: Not one hand opening, and pliers must open to access blades and tools. Tools clump when I take them out (ie. screwdrivers). It is heavy and bulky. Ergo's while open not very comfortable with the sides of the handles digging into my palms while applying pressure. The pliers have developed side to side "wobble" over the years (don't line up well at the tip any more), and are none adjustable so I may have to send it to Leatherman at some point for repair.

Wave - bought as a lighter weight tool and alternative to the Core. Same uses as above.
Pros - smaller lighter weight, one hand opening blades serrated and plain edge. Access to blades, file and saw without opening pliers. Slightly more ergonomic vs. Core. Inner tools have back lock, again protected by the handle if the lock fails during use. Adjustable pivot torque screws to tighten the tool up (same issue as the Core, pliers developed a wobble). I bought the Leatherman "bit set" which is handy for different types of screws.

Cons - not as solid feeling as the core (smaller size). Liner lock on blades, file and saw. The convenience of the one hand opening was short lived when the liner lock failed on me during use of the blade. Put it down to user error but it was a very close call and I am lucky to still have my fingers. Fortunately I narrowly missed being cut severely and moved my hand when I felt the lock slip (I was piercing a heavy piece of plastic). I am being honest here, I have used knives and tools for many decades and it is the "one time" where you don't think a lock will fail that it does. For this reason alone I simply don't trust the liner lock on the Leatherman's and am VERY cautious with them. Bit set is unique to Leatherman and a modified 1/4" regular bit and an added expense.

Victorinox:
Swisstool - I would compare this to the "Core" in terms of size and weight, but it is slightly slimmer. Same uses as above.
Pros - Tools accessible without opening the pliers. All have individual lock back springs, released with a slide and very solid lock up. Well built with attention to detail and precision fit/finish. Pliers are not as pointy as the "Core" but just as robust. The ergo's are better, smoother and better feeling in the hand vs Leatherman. Hard to explain but more confidence inspiring to use vs. Leatherman.

Cons - no one hand opening. Nail nicks may be difficult to open tools, blades especially when hands are slippery or cold. May be heavy and bulky compared to other Multitools. Pinned construction in pivots so no provision for adjusting blade play, plier wobble, tool wobble...time will tell but no issues yet.

Spirit X - I would compare it to the "Wave" in terms of size and weight. Same uses as above.
Pros - by far the best ergonomics of any of the above. Lighter wt vs Core, Swisstool, and Wave. Tools accessible without opening the pliers. All have individual lock back springs, released with a slide and very solid lock up. Well built with attention to detail and precision fit/finish. Pliers are the smallest of the group and not as pointy as the Leatheman but just as robust. I have the added "ratchet" with an assortment of 1/4" bits which opens up the usefulness and allows for the use of the ratchet and pliers simultaneously (handy when tightening screws/bolts and nuts at the same time).

Cons- not one hand opening, nail nicks may be hard to access. Additional ratchet and bits add to bulk of the leather carrying sheath. Pinned construction in pivots so no provision for adjusting blade play, plier wobble, tool wobble...time will tell but no issues yet.

Well that's it! Good luck choosing.

Personally I reach for and use the Victorinox more often than the Leatherman but still use both.
 
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The solution is to buy one of each and use them. If you use them, you more than likely will be buying another one... different size, slightly different tools, and so forth. I definitely would like to see Victorinox introduce some smaller muiti-tools.
 
The solution is to buy one of each and use them. If you use them, you more than likely will be buying another one... different size, slightly different tools, and so forth. I definitely would like to see Victorinox introduce some smaller muiti-tools.

There is no better way to find out what is best for you. However, it is more of an expense than buying just one. Either you can buy them used in good condition for less, make your comparisons, keep the one you prefer and sell off the other for what you paid, or maybe a bit less, writing off the difference as a learner's fee. Or, after making your choice, sell them both off and buy a new of your preference. Or, just go ahead and buy the one you find most appealing right now and bond with it. That's what I did. Later, I made comparisons, but that was a hobbyist thing to do, not at all necessary to lead a full life. Really, they are all good enough, so I'd say go with your inner EDC sense. There is such a thing as overthinking the subject ;) .
 
I love the X the tools are the best of the best but for me its a real nail killer as the nail nicks are really deep inside the tool. And its brick heavy!

Have you ever tried to carry the Leatherman Surge in your pocket or on your belt? Now that is a brick.

This said, the Surge is what rides on the outside of my day bag. Then I have a SAK in my pocket. And a Gerber Dime Travel. There's enough love to go around.
 
Have you ever tried to carry the Leatherman Surge in your pocket or on your belt? Now that is a brick.

OTOH, whenever I pick up a brick, I'm thinking, "Now that is a Surge." :D

I had a Surge once, thought surely I could deal with only 2+ oz. more than a Super Tool. But I could not. It was always bit of a burden for EDC, so eventually, I sent it off to a new home. Who would have thought that such a small increase in weight could make such a difference? I once read in an outdoor magazine that serious hardcore hikers and backpackers generally agree that 7 oz. is the limit for new gear before it gets burdensome. Could that be?
 
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Have you ever tried to carry the Leatherman Surge in your pocket or on your belt? Now that is a brick.

This said, the Surge is what rides on the outside of my day bag. Then I have a SAK in my pocket. And a Gerber Dime Travel. There's enough love to go around.

The Surge is the best glove box multitool. It's the only heavy duty tool that has plain and serrated knife blades, saw, file, scissors and an awl. With with every other multitool you have to make compromises between the above tools. The Surge also has the most versatility with the bit drivers and T shank saw adapter. Not to mention the scissors are outstanding and If you're not going to keep it in a pack or glove box, it's hard to beat the Surge!
 
I carry a surge on my belt everyday at work and have done so for maybe eight years .
Everyone is different , but I seem to survive the ordeal of carrying what others here seem to think is an outrageously heavy Multitool .

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I'd say go with your inner EDC sense. There is such a thing as overthinking the subject ;) .

You're right. Trying hard to ignore the countless reviews and testimonies I've found online and just bite the bullet. Damn internet with your over-abundance of information!

The Surge is the best glove box multitool. It's the only heavy duty tool that has plain and serrated knife blades, saw, file, scissors and an awl. With with every other multitool you have to make compromises between the above tools. The Surge also has the most versatility with the bit drivers and T shank saw adapter. Not to mention the scissors are outstanding and If you're not going to keep it in a pack or glove box, it's hard to beat the Surge!

I carry a surge on my belt everyday at work and have done so for maybe eight years .
Everyone is different , but I seem to survive the ordeal of carrying what others here seem to think is an outrageously heavy Multitool .

The Surge looks like a super-sized Wave. That's amazing news since I have a Wave and love the tools provided, but it's too small for my massive hands. Add another one to the "maybe" pile.

I really really wish I had PMs enabled. I wanted to personally thank everyone who provided advice and input. Very helpful!
 
I carry a surge on my belt everyday at work and have done so for maybe eight years .
Everyone is different , but I seem to survive the ordeal of carrying what others here seem to think is an outrageously heavy Multitool .

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Ken

Nice sheath, i really like horizontal carry! I'm guessing thats custom?
 
Have you ever tried to carry the Leatherman Surge in your pocket or on your belt? Now that is a brick.

This said, the Surge is what rides on the outside of my day bag. Then I have a SAK in my pocket. And a Gerber Dime Travel. There's enough love to go around.

Just checked the weight...dang the Surge is 75 g heavier than the Swisstool X!
 
I agree that LM feel like a trusty companion, whereas Vics are more like a fancy tool. Both are tools, of course, but LM just feels like you are ready to take on anything. I feel great with an LM in my pocket, and horrible without it. I love my Fuse and ST300, they work great.

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I seem to survive the ordeal of carrying what others here seem to think is an outrageously heavy Multitool .

"Heavy" is always relative to the utility you get in return for the weight. If you are using the Surge on an ongoing basis, it can certainly be worth the "cost" of having a big chunk of steel on your belt all day. But if an MT gets carried much and used little (that's me), it may not be worth the weight. So "heavy" is - I think - always relative to what you get in return. I have carried all manner of Big Boy MTs like the Surge or the Swisstool, but as a general rule my cost/benefit analysis (which occurs without me thinking about it) leads me to a medium duty MT like the Spirit. I'm willing to carry a pistol in my pocket everyday that outweighs the Surge, but for me it is worth the weight. So yeah. A Surge is heavy. But maybe it doesn't seem heavy compared to the cost of not having it when you need it. I'm rambling. Out.
 
First thing first, I hope you take my advice and buy them both. Wave and Spirit X.

Now to answer the original question, in my experience, Victorinox makes better quality tools including their Spirit compared the Leatherman's Wave.
Spirit's tool open and close very smoothly as well as pliers. I never had rust on either one of Leatherman's or Victorinox's tool let alone Spirit or the Wave in New York weather.

For an average guy, I don't like to abuse my tools. I clean them, wipe them and if needed oil them.

But why do I say, buy them both? Because even though both offer vastly similar things, they still have some important differences. I own Wave and Black oxide Spirit RS.
Here is my take,
1. OHO of blade is HUGE. It's awesome feature. It makes life so much easier. On Spirit, I always have to look for my knife blade. I may get it the first time or may not. I don't like that.
The blade is longer and more beautiful than Spirit's.
2. Overall, how quickly I find my tool on Wave is quicker than on Spirit. Clumping of tools? I don't have a problem with Wave.
3. I think wave looks more sexier than Spirit but Spirit feels more sexier. If you can gather up more cash, get black oxide version for Spirit. It's awesome.
4. Spirit has an awl. Wave does not. Awl is HUGE plus. It's a "wild card" tool in some situations. Wave's can/bottle openers end can work a little like a awl but not as well as a dedicated awl.
5. Spirit has a chisel/scrapper tool, Wave does not. I haven't used this tool much. I haven't found it so useful, though you may be different.
6. Spirit has more wire strippers.
7. Wave's nylon sheath is better than Spirit's. It has more compartments. It's slightly bigger and can be worn vertically and horizontally. Spirit's sheath rides slightly higher on the belt which can be in inconvenience.
8. Spirit's bottle and can opener are slightly easier to use.
7. Wave has option for Clip and keychain carry, Spirit does not.

Here are some "toss-ups" or situations where one may find one tool more useful than other tool of the rival due to personal preference but they both work well in their respected area.
1. Pliers on Wave are more needle nose vs. Spirit has more blunted pliers. They both work fine.
2. Spirit's files are more coarser vs Wave's more finer (Wave has diamond coated file on one side)
3. Spirit's screwdrivers have longer reach, provide more options on base tool where as Wave has micro screwdrivers and much more options for screwdrivers with the bit kit.
4. Both saws work great.
 
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