Video: I May Have Gone Too Far

CM_Rick said:
I guess you happen to be an expert at video analysis... right? Dude... I never go 100% force. EVER!!! I admit AGAIN this was unsafe, but it was effective. Just accept it.
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If hitting pause makes me an expert than I must be one. That's all it took to see you came close on the last hack or two. That's all it took to see how high up you were on the knife while stabbing. 100 percent? You were stabbing weakly. You can be insulted or argumentative all you want but this was just stupid. I was not trying to be insulting or rude, but if you want to take it that way so be it. It wasn't a good test. It isn't repeatable. I haven't seen any bravo 1 oiled up and stabbed with. Because it's a stupid argument to begin with. And frankly you are trying to prove smooth cheap plastic isn't an issue because the handle design is good? I'm betting you could do the same test with one of those scrappy plastic scandi knives with the finger guard. What would that prove?
 
Thefinaledge said:
If hitting pause makes me an expert than I must be one. That's all it took to see you came close on the last hack or two. That's all it took to see how high up you were on the knife while stabbing. 100 percent? You were stabbing weakly. You can be insulted or argumentative all you want but this was just stupid. I was not trying to be insulting or rude, but if you want to take it that way so be it. It wasn't a good test. It isn't repeatable. I haven't seen any bravo 1 oiled up and stabbed with. Because it's a stupid argument to begin with. And frankly you are trying to prove smooth cheap plastic isn't an issue because the handle design is good? I'm betting you could do the same test with one of those scrappy plastic scandi knives with the finger guard. What would that prove?
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Like I said put the oil on a woman better test
 
I could repeat it wth many knives, but the point was already proved. You don't understand the point as you are not familiar with the long-standing notion about grivory being too slick. He heard an anecdote, he set out to test that anecdote, test priced anecdote was at least feasible, test succeeded.

Did you not listen to the video? He explained the whole thing for you in complete detail if you had payed attention.
 
Thefinaledge said:
If hitting pause makes me an expert than I must be one. That's all it took to see you came close on the last hack or two. That's all it took to see how high up you were on the knife while stabbing. 100 percent? You were stabbing weakly. You can be insulted or argumentative all you want but this was just stupid. I was not trying to be insulting or rude, but if you want to take it that way so be it. It wasn't a good test. It isn't repeatable. I haven't seen any bravo 1 oiled up and stabbed with. Because it's a stupid argument to begin with. And frankly you are trying to prove smooth cheap plastic isn't an issue because the handle design is good? I'm betting you could do the same test with one of those scrappy plastic scandi knives with the finger guard. What would that prove?
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You are far too new to even understand. If I was stabbing so weak, into solid oak, I wonder what would've happened if a softer wood was there instead..., or a deer's rib cage, or a hog's neck... Hmmm. Wonder why the blade was getting stuck. This is puzzling. If I was stabbing so weak, why did I come so close to disaster? There has long been an argument that stock Becker scales are scary to use, because of the smoothness. This proves they are totally safe. Deal with it, and stop trying to "call me out". I've admitted to everything.
 
KingMC said:
I could repeat it wth many knives, but the point was already proved. You don't understand the point as you are not familiar with the long-standing notion about grivory being too slick. He heard an anecdote, he set out to test that anecdote, test priced anecdote was at least feasible, test succeeded.

Did you not listen to the video? He explained the whole thing for you in complete detail if you had payed attention.
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Rick, you're video proved the point you were trying to make.
If Grivory scales are slippery, then making them slippier* will make them slip out of your hands, right?...

So often we hear, "Grivory scales are slippery."
In all actuallity, the Grivory scales do feel slippery, but it's not slippery when in use.
Let me explain. My hands sweat a lot. While in use the slick Grivory never get's slippery in my hands. Micarta does. The Grivory does not. It feels locked in and secure. I've said this a few times on the forums here.
So while Grivory may feel slippery...it's not actually slippery. Lol


Not sure what's up with all the haters.
They must stab stuff a lot harder than you do...with industrial lubricants...:D
Seriously guys, Rick made a video to show you how "slippery" Grivory really is.
It's entertainment! It's a different look at knife testing.
Take it for what it is. No need to get upset. Lol

*not sure if slippier is a real word.
 
Jonny1280 said:
Rick, you're video proved the point you were trying to make.
If Grivory scales are slippery, then making them slippier* will make them slip out of your hands, right?...

So often we hear, "Grivory scales are slippery."
In all actuallity, the Grivory scales do feel slippery, but it's not slippery when in use.
Let me explain. My hands sweat a lot. While in use the slick Grivory never get's slippery in my hands. Micarta does. The Grivory does not. It feels locked in and secure. I've said this a few times on the forums here.
So while Grivory may feel slippery...it's not actually slippery. Lol


Not sure what's up with all the haters.
They must stab stuff a lot harder than you do...with industrial lubricants...:D
Seriously guys, Rick made a video to show you how "slippery" Grivory really is.
It's entertainment! It's a different look at knife testing.
Take it for what it is. No need to get upset. Lol

*not sure if slippier is a real word.
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in practical nature, if the grips were that awful, Rick would be sporting a trip to the ER

was he nervous? i hope so

would he do this again, say, "dry", and measure his stabs, and then do it "wet" and measure, and provide conrete data with six digits of precision? maybe

if he doesn't? so what. if a knife can do that, oiled and wet, it probably isn't "that slippery" and is probably "pretty safe" dry.

he was taking a "known legend" and he tried it. good for him.

if someone thinks they can stab harder? i want to see it. then do it oiled. otherwise, we value your opinion, such as it is :D

keep the innuendo at home, thanks. i don't want to close a good fun thread because of asshats, or ban anyone for that matter.
 
Bladite said:
in practical nature, if the grips were that awful, Rick would be sporting a trip to the ER

was he nervous? i hope so

would he do this again, say, "dry", and measure his stabs, and then do it "wet" and measure, and provide conrete data with six digits of precision? maybe

if he doesn't? so what. if a knife can do that, oiled and wet, it probably isn't "that slippery" and is probably "pretty safe" dry.

he was taking a "known legend" and he tried it. good for him.

if someone thinks they can stab harder? i want to see it. then do it oiled. otherwise, we value your opinion, such as it is :D

keep the innuendo at home, thanks. i don't want to close a good fun thread because of asshats, or ban anyone for that matter.
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Thank you, Bladite. Yes, I was VERY nervous. Figured it was clear in the audio. Lol. Do it again? Maybe, but probably not. Don't feel any more data is necessary.
 
Got oil a 9 and a woman
Oil on the Woman and I have Stopped
Thanks for the Vid Rick
No Harm no Foul but lets do a Challenge your call
Got most of the Becker Line except for the BK21
Mine may seem pristine but you will never and I repeat never see me sell or give away a new Becker may have been new when received, but I put my mitts on all
All have past my test
But no oil on any will have to try Later
 
Big thanks to Bladite, and Johnny!

Yes, I was VERY nervous! Figured that was clear in the audio. Lol

Try it again... maybe, but probably not. Don't think any more data is necessary at this point.
 
so, i DL'ed the video, and went through it "frame by frame" :> i'll do screen shots later if i have to ;)

at the very beginning is a fairly robust stab with dry hands into the oak log. note, it's not a stump, it moves.

later stabs were the same depth, and he probably could have picked up the log, given the penetration depth. he certainly had to rock the log to get the tip out.

then he did it "a few more times".

the entire reason Becker handles are "smooth" is to prevent blisters, or at least help with that.

slippery? people might be thinking they need textured grips, but if you have the right shape, not so much.

but that's not just my opinion.
 
Jonny1280 said:
Rick, you're video proved the point you were trying to make.
If Grivory scales are slippery, then making them slippier* will make them slip out of your hands, right?...

So often we hear, "Grivory scales are slippery."
In all actuallity, the Grivory scales do feel slippery, but it's not slippery when in use.
Let me explain. My hands sweat a lot. While in use the slick Grivory never get's slippery in my hands. Micarta does. The Grivory does not. It feels locked in and secure. I've said this a few times on the forums here.
So while Grivory may feel slippery...it's not actually slippery. Lol


Not sure what's up with all the haters.
They must stab stuff a lot harder than you do...with industrial lubricants...:D
Seriously guys, Rick made a video to show you how "slippery" Grivory really is.
It's entertainment! It's a different look at knife testing.
Take it for what it is. No need to get upset. Lol

*not sure if slippier is a real word.
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Not a hater or upset. I personally think the slippery handle arguement is stupid to begin with. That said his reverse grip stabs with the pinkie against the guard were real stabs. Into the tree traditional grip were not. I'm simply calling foul. They were not(and under those conditions probably shouldn't be) "real" stabs. And on the 5th stab you can see his hand was climbing up for disaster. As well as the chops, more force, at about 5:09 on the final chop his hand has slipped badly. Another swing, or a couple of more stabs and game over. I am just pointing out his point was only proven because he rigged it to be. He had to stop after 5 stabs. He came close on the last chop. Do I hate beckers, no. Do I hate ka bar, no. Do I like detachable handles, no. He knows he was slipping. He knows he didn't stop because his point was proven. He stopped because he almost proved the other side was correct. Again stupid arguement to begin with. Moras are plastic or painted red. Bark rivers are intentionally smooth.
 
nutoknives said:
Got oil a 9 and a woman
Oil on the Woman and I have Stopped
Thanks for the Vid Rick
No Harm no Foul but lets do a Challenge your call
Got most of the Becker Line except for the BK21
Mine may seem pristine but you will never and I repeat never see me sell or give away a new Becker may have been new when received, but I put my mitts on all
All have past my test
But no oil on any will have to try Later
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Dude, you came at me with your crap. If you want to go up against me, then YOU bring it. I don't even know how you'd want to go about this, anyways. Only way to do it is through video, and I already know I have critics. How about you do your thing by showing off your purchases, and I'll do mine by showcasing skills. But, if you want to toe the line... I'm standing on it. Most likely with my RBK.
 
Thefinaledge said:
Not a hater or upset. I personally think the slippery handle arguement is stupid to begin with. That said his reverse grip stabs with the pinkie against the guard were real stabs. Into the tree traditional grip were not. I'm simply calling foul. They were not(and under those conditions probably shouldn't be) "real" stabs. And on the 5th stab you can see his hand was climbing up for disaster. As well as the chops, more force, at about 5:09 on the final chop his hand has slipped badly. Another swing, or a couple of more stabs and game over. I am just pointing out his point was only proven because he rigged it to be. He had to stop after 5 stabs. He came close on the last chop. Do I hate beckers, no. Do I hate ka bar, no. Do I like detachable handles, no. He knows he was slipping. He knows he didn't stop because his point was proven. He stopped because he almost proved the other side was correct. Again stupid arguement to begin with. Moras are plastic or painted red. Bark rivers are intentionally smooth.
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the original legend, repeated here and elsewhere is with a BK2, with mineral oil, into a 50 gallon steel drum, with "hammer stabs".

that he went beyond that, is another thing. bravo.

his last chop, which i measured to the pixel, was deeper than the rest. not bad. pretty respectable even with dry hands.

worst case scenario test. didn't end badly. what more do you want?

he's supposed to keep chopping til failure? not likely.
 
non permanent infractions have been issued.

keep it clean people.

they can be made permanent.
 
Thefinaledge said:
Not a hater or upset. I personally think the slippery handle arguement is stupid to begin with. That said his reverse grip stabs with the pinkie against the guard were real stabs. Into the tree traditional grip were not. I'm simply calling foul. They were not(and under those conditions probably shouldn't be) "real" stabs. And on the 5th stab you can see his hand was climbing up for disaster. As well as the chops, more force, at about 5:09 on the final chop his hand has slipped badly. Another swing, or a couple of more stabs and game over. I am just pointing out his point was only proven because he rigged it to be. He had to stop after 5 stabs. He came close on the last chop. Do I hate beckers, no. Do I hate ka bar, no. Do I like detachable handles, no. He knows he was slipping. He knows he didn't stop because his point was proven. He stopped because he almost proved the other side was correct. Again stupid arguement to begin with. Moras are plastic or painted red. Bark rivers are intentionally smooth.
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If I say I agree with you will you stop posting?...
 
CM_Rick said:
Dude, you came at me with your crap. If you want to go up against me, then YOU bring it. I don't even know how you'd want to go about this, anyways. Only way to do it is through video, and I already know I have critics. How about you do your thing by showing off your purchases, and I'll do mine by showcasing skills. But, if you want to toe the line... I'm standing on it. Most likely with my RBK.
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