Vintage Hen & Rooster!!!

Frosts Cutlery owns the brand and associated trademarks, so they can use the markings as they please. Goins says that the later stamp used by H&R under A G Russell was also used on knives made after 1983, and most of the later knives seem to have that mark. Just goes to show that you can't reliably date a knife by markings alone.
 
Pipe, no need for a close-up of a tang stamp on the Mix and Match knife. I am sure that if you look very close at the tang stamp which appears to be pre-83 you will see a slight change. It is very slight and hard to see. Once you "catch" it you will see what a clever act of deception it is. Fellas, like gran' pappy used to say, "Don't take any wooden nickels for a hard days work".
Know your knives.
Greg
 
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mckgreg said:
Yes it is. Seems like "Mix and Match" is the name of the game for some. You got a close-up of that tang stamp?
Greg
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Mine was bought in the eighties.Funny I never noticed, the tang stamp on the pen blade looks like an early one and the main blade, I can't really tell, but looks like the modern frost stamp.
 
my H&R, it's not a vintage, but i like it . Great F&F.

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falah
 
One other thing I have noticed in the really old H&R's, the blade grinds are a full flat grind right down to the fine edge they have. Much like the old Schrade Old Timers had. And the distill taper of the blades on my stockman and half stockman are a thing of beauty. From tang to tip, they taper down to a real almost needle point. They have a look and feel of trim elegance that is lacking in the newer stuff. From the way the stag scales are fitted to the blade grind, they are something different.

It's hard to put into words, but you know it when you see it and feel it. And the blades do feel like they are on ball bearings.

Carl.
 
This thread has been really useful:thumbup:

Keep going back to the Congress you just got Todd, and to the one that Arathol showed. They are sleek and purposeful,and the slim Stag is the big attraction too. Matches the action of the knife I daresay?

Funny thing is, you seemed to have cornered the existing supply of vintage H&R in N.America! Even though I live in Europe and have connexions in Germany I can't find ANY vintage era Hens at all:eek: They must've been shipped out en masse in the 70s or else, melted down in Europe, aargh!:eek:
 
jackknife said:
One other thing I have noticed in the really old H&R's, the blade grinds are a full flat grind right down to the fine edge they have. Much like the old Schrade Old Timers had. And the distill taper of the blades on my stockman and half stockman are a thing of beauty. From tang to tip, they taper down to a real almost needle point. They have a look and feel of trim elegance that is lacking in the newer stuff. From the way the stag scales are fitted to the blade grind, they are something different.

It's hard to put into words, but you know it when you see it and feel it. And the blades do feel like they are on ball bearings.

Carl.
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You speak the truth, my friend.

willgoy said:
This thread has been really useful:thumbup:

Keep going back to the Congress you just got Todd, and to the one that Arathol showed. They are sleek and purposeful,and the slim Stag is the big attraction too. Matches the action of the knife I daresay?

Funny thing is, you seemed to have cornered the existing supply of vintage H&R in N.America! Even though I live in Europe and have connexions in Germany I can't find ANY vintage era Hens at all:eek: They must've been shipped out en masse in the 70s or else, melted down in Europe, aargh!:eek:
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It's been a very educational thread, for sure.

The looks and action of the knife really complement each other for an awesome total package. I couldn't be more please with the knife.

I'd gamble that nearly all of H&Rs production has gone to the US market.
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Let's see some more of your Hen and Roosters!:D
 
This one also went to trade. Nickel silver liners and as about as stout as a knife can get. All polished tangs and nice stag.

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Awhile back in the BRL forum, AGR said that no real Bertram ever had a shield.
maybe he didn't know of the Kane/Scout shown on page 1 ? or ??
Also, while AGR owned Bertram, one of the Bertram family members was stealing parts and putting out unauthorized "Bertram" knives. I have at least 2 of those.
away from home right now but i've got 20 or so Bertram knives and i'll post a few when i get home.
roland
 
Nope, not even close. I'm hoping that the "light weight" of wooden nickels hasn't become easier to carry than real ones.
Greg.
 
AG, thanks for posting. Bet the same guy who had my "Bertram" H&R SS Lobster knife produced, was behind this "Kane" as well. "Mr. P., i assume"
roland
 
I shifted all my Hen and Roosters about 4 years ago. No idea why, and I really wish I'd hung on to at least the cattle knife - the congress didn't get me at the time, but that one you have there is lovely :)
 
rprocter said:
AG, thanks for posting. Bet the same guy who had my "Bertram" H&R SS Lobster knife produced, was behind this "Kane" as well. "Mr. P., i assume"
roland
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Nope. According to Goins Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings, knives with the Kane stamp were made c. 1971 by the C Bertram Co. in Solingen Germany.
 
Arathol said:
Nope. According to Goins Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings, knives with the Kane stamp were made c. 1971 by the C Bertram Co. in Solingen Germany.
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You and Goins need to consider that an importer will use more than one vendor. I have three in Italy, only two remaining of almost 10 in Germany,
several in Japan more in Taiwan and a few in China.

Bertram did not make the scout knife.
 
Arathol, what Goins says might be correct, but that does not mean that the knife in question is one of those knives.
Fakery and unauthorized use of brand names has been the vocation of some business people and some craftsmen. These charlatans make a significant contribution to collectors. Their fakes add intrique.
roland
 
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