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Virtual BBQ WIP - noobie kitchen knife - Pic heavy

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So I really enjoy WIPs but have been scared to post of my work since I've only been doing this like a year and half. I'm addicted tho and the best way to learn is to post a WIP and let the masters tear into my process or work so I can learn what not to do or better ways of doing it. I really enjoy trying something totally new or something I suck at to practice and improve my skills. There are a few things I can do well but whats the point in repeating those over and over when there are SOOO many things I need to try or work on :D. With that being said this is a kitchen knife I wanted to try for all around use. Awhile back I read where someone just kind of winged there design as they went. Sounded interesting and fun so I kind of did the same. Had a general Idea of what I wanted shape and size wise but no drawing or design. I also want to work on a Japanese style handle (octagon in this case). I'm also practicing blending the whole knife to where ther are no line not even a ricasso.

Well here is the pics. Let me know if you have any advice or any suggestions or see anything I messed up on.

My super precision freehand drafting right on the metal! Its 1/8" 1084 from Aldo. I wanted it to be thick enough for all around kitchen duty.

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Another habit I'm trying to get myself into. Making sure I'm nice and square

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Profile ground down to where I was happy with the shape

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Layout dye so its super easy to see my scribed center line

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I've done a handful of kitchen knives that have been "blended in" and this is something to help me. I grind past where the blade will stop. It might make more sense later on.

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I do 80% of the grinding with a 36 grit the go to a nice 80 grit and start cleaning up and finish getting close to the center line. You can see toward the tip how the 80 grit is cleaning things up as I work it toward the tip. I use to grind with a 60 to the line then try and clean up. Well stupid me took awhile to realize I hardly had any material to grind off without getting to thin to get the deep scratches the rough grits can leave.

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Pretty much done on this side with the 80 grit.

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Repeated on the other side and mic'd the edge. Looks good so far.

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Now for some blending and smoothing things out.

Before-

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and things starting to look better!

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Now its time to start the tang area. I leave for last cause its a lot easier to handle for me when I have a nice big piece of steel to hold. I want the handle to be a 1" octagon so I measure 1" from the spine after I squared it up. Layout fluid makes it so easy to see. I also learn to love carbide scribes! This round bottle thingy had just the curve I was looking for.

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Looks good

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OK cut alot off on the bandsaw and will grind the rest off later with the small wheels on my KMG.

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Oh for wood I'm thinking this stabalized Koa I have with a copper spacer and probably ebony or african blackwood spacers. Need to find some nice ebony or blackwood first to order.



I know I posted tons of pics but remember I want to show as much as I can so all the makers here can help me improve.

William Bishop
 
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You make it sound like what you're doing is really bad. Honestly, I think it's looking great so far, and it's wonderful that you're in it to learn.

EDIT: Nice shoes, btw.
 
I just found your first mistake...

You are only supposed to do WIPS in sandals, or barefoot. :) J/K

Thanks for putting your work out there.
 
I just found your first mistake...

You are only supposed to do WIPS in sandals, or barefoot. :) J/K

Thanks for putting your work out there.

I found out quick shoes are am must when I got a nasty metal shaving in my foot. I had a bad habit of workign barefoot when I would work on cars.

Added to the WIP BBQ

Thanks. I know Im not anywhere near what alot of makers are on this forum but honestly this forum is like my class room. Ive learned more here then I could on my own in 20 years! I figured it would be nice to see what others say about my WIP and give something back to the community even if it is just a few mins of light reading lol.
 
OK got to do a little more work this evening.

Ground the circular portion with a 2" and 3/4" small wheel right up to the line.

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Was practicing some different size handles on some cheap 2"x2" but gives you a idea of what it SHOULD looks like lol

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Measured it and its right at 1" wide where the knife will meet the handle which I wanted a 1" wide octagon. If I decide to go smaller on the handle I can always go back and touch this up. Grinding the circular area got rid of my ricasso area and made the knife have the blended effect I wanted. Also marked my tang section that will be 1/2" wide.

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Cutting and grinding the tang section. Will go back with a file guide and square everything up.

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Seems like a good start and will probably continue working on it later this weekend when Im off.
 
Well ordered some ebony and a few other goodies and while waiting on that I put the knife in the file guide and started squaring it up

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I like to sand to a decent 180 or 220. This helps me get those big scratches out and still rough enough to were my decarb compound sticks fairly well.

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For my sanding block I normally use the square side

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but since this blade has more of a convexed shape I sand a slight curve into it so it fits the blade shape better. Compare the above pic to the below. It isn't 100% perfect but helps. If I didnt Id only have good contact on like 1/16" of the paper where as here Im getting more work done on each stroke since more paper is making contact.

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I keep a long piece of 1x4" around so I can cut pieces like this off for sanding drilling etc and not have to worry about random scratches from metal filings or twirls in bedded or hanging onto the wood from previous sanding and/or drilling

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Also every now and then I make sure all my equipment is still nice and level and squared etc. Ive noticed every since Ive got my mill i've been a little obsessed with this lol.

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Now to wait till the other wood comes in for the front spacer area. Ill probably play around this weekend with some more scrap 2x2" to get the right feel on the handle. Need to work on the right width for the octagon and wether I like it tapered or non tapered.
 
Got asked if Im using pins. No I dotn plan on it I like the thought of the epoxy getting in those small holes and getting a better grip.
 
I think it is looking pretty good. My only suggestion is to not thin down the tang as much. That is the area that will see the most lateral force, and i generally leave more meat there. Not that yours is bad, just a suggestion. Also, how thin are you shooting for? 1084 will be a decent steel for a kitchen knife, but be prepared for insane patina on it. I would suggest starting with some cooked proteins just to get the patina started and stable. Are you making an octagon or a d handle? I am excited to watch the progress of this one!
 
This is something that a lot of debate is all about but I try to never square off where the ricasso meets the tang. The squared off shoulder makes fitting a handle or a bolster a little easier but it also creates an area that tends to have a stress factor at that point, it is better to radius this area. Some will use a drill to create that radius on both sides I mostly use a round file. Just my O2 on the subject. Other than that it is looking good.
 
I think it is looking pretty good. My only suggestion is to not thin down the tang as much. That is the area that will see the most lateral force, and i generally leave more meat there. Not that yours is bad, just a suggestion. Also, how thin are you shooting for? 1084 will be a decent steel for a kitchen knife, but be prepared for insane patina on it. I would suggest starting with some cooked proteins just to get the patina started and stable. Are you making an octagon or a d handle? I am excited to watch the progress of this one!
Yeah Im gonna probably do a light vinegar patina on it. I like when a knife looks like a user and not so polished up unless its more of a artsy piece. Also its 1/8" thick but right now sitting at 0.120" so it should make a nice all around kitchen use knife.

This is something that a lot of debate is all about but I try to never square off where the ricasso meets the tang. The squared off shoulder makes fitting a handle or a bolster a little easier but it also creates an area that tends to have a stress factor at that point, it is better to radius this area. Some will use a drill to create that radius on both sides I mostly use a round file. Just my O2 on the subject. Other than that it is looking good.
Normally i do radius them slightly but the tang area is a little over 1/2" wide and a kitchen knife probably wont see the stress factors of say a camp knife but it might be something to change in the future. Alot of this WIP is for me to show how I do things and possibly learn what needs to be changed. Do yall think its ok squared off on a 1/2" wide tang on a kitchen knife?
 
IMHO squared off is never good,stess riser can start in the quench,even now you can take a small round needle file and put a small radius on the corners of the tang.I would have also made the tang a little longer.Other than that looking good.
Stan
 
IMHO squared off is never good,stess riser can start in the quench,even now you can take a small round needle file and put a small radius on the corners of the tang.I would have also made the tang a little longer.Other than that looking good.
Stan
Yeah was running errands and actually thinking of that. Ill prob get a file and round it off. I do it for my hunters etc just never really thought I needed it for a kitchen knife but hell why not. Can only make it better. Yeah the tang is 3" long. I wanted longer but this was the last of my 4' bar so kinda made the knife fit the piece. I think it should be good tho but yeah another inch would have been real nice. Got a few more feet of some other stuff to use up then its a call to aldo again!


Thx for the suggetions and opinions. Keep them coming!
 
Well got my ebony in and had a day off to do something with it finally lol!

Cut my wood close to length. Left a little extra on the koa and ebony so I could sand flat etc. Here are the peices laid on top of the knife to give me a idea if this is a good combo. I lite it!

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Never worked with ebony before and saw they actually have several types that can really vary in looks. A quick 36 grit belt showed I chose right. Didnt wat it so jet black that it looked plastic. This has just enough wood grain showing to make me happy.

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Drilled some holes and now to use my super elite broach... (I really need to by a 1/8" broach soon )

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Just started using broaches and still amazed that it only took 1 minute to do this. Use to take me forever it sems with files and drill bits etc.

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I undersized my hole by a decent bit. The tang is o.135" by 0.505" so I made my hole 0.124" x 0.48". Now to get my small files and file brush out and get it going! I dunno if Im weird but I love the small intricate stuff. Not sayign im good at it but I enjoy it.

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I cheated on the copper spacer...

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Almost perfect lol

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This is why i dont get my pre-heat treat sanding till right before the heat treat! Its not deep at all more of a blemish then a scratch but it will be cleaned up before heat treat and taken a couple grits higher.
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Ok off to grab some lunch and prob do some more later today.
 
I'm about to display my ignorance but here goes:

Is there any reason why you couldn't use an up-cut spiral router bit in your milling machine to cut the slot in the Ebony? That's essentially the way a pin router works. Just askin'. I've never used a milling machine.
 
I'm about to display my ignorance but here goes:

Is there any reason why you couldn't use an up-cut spiral router bit in your milling machine to cut the slot in the Ebony? That's essentially the way a pin router works. Just askin'. I've never used a milling machine.
Yes you are ignorant!!!! Just kidding! honestly I'm very new to the milling machine myself. It was a toy I wanted and when I pay'd off my car I got it. In all honestly Im not familiar with the up cut router bit but googling it now.
 
K got a little more done.

OK i got everything fitted to the tang and tried what I beklieve Tai mentioned in a previous thread somewhere about burning the tang in. I got it very close to the tang size and burned the rest in. Here it is about 1.5" by 1.5"

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I had tested some different size handles on some scrap wood I had and already knew what felt better out of them and went with those dimensions. Got"in the zone" and forgot to take pics as I went as I was truly enjoying myself but ended up with this.

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Just noticed its a bad pic (looks odd shaped or something in the pic) but IMO it turned out well.

Where I sit now after cutting the koa down closer to size. Ignore the burn marks nice sharp blade but dust got under the edge of my glasses and in my eye and i stopped for a sec and the blade stayed in one place for a bit too long and burnt the side some.

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BTW if anyone wants to do some stabalized koa inlays I have this koa that ranges from .11" to .080" in thickness and looks pretty nice. If you want its free.

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Looking real good. Only one thing, if you want the drill bit square with the drill press table, the level will not help much..........you neet to index with a dial indicator mounted in the chuck(at an angle) or you can use a machinest square against a straight piece of pinstock in the chuck.
Darcy:)
 
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