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Virus Alert
- Thread starter Cougar Allen
- Start date
In the past two days, I've rec'd about 20 of these (sircam worms virii) 
All the files were a bit under 200k. All the msgs were variations of each other. Started out "Hi.... blah blah something for you to read blah blah." Most of the attachments were xxx.doc.bat; xxx.doc.pif; or xxx.doc.com.
All of these came to my free e-mail accounts (most notably Yahoo!, which put most of them in my bulk e-mail folder).
Oh well, life in the 21st Century
All the files were a bit under 200k. All the msgs were variations of each other. Started out "Hi.... blah blah something for you to read blah blah." Most of the attachments were xxx.doc.bat; xxx.doc.pif; or xxx.doc.com.
All of these came to my free e-mail accounts (most notably Yahoo!, which put most of them in my bulk e-mail folder).
Oh well, life in the 21st Century
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This is the last reply I'll have because the thread has gone way off track from its original intent.
I'll just address each issue separately and as completely as I can without writing a book.
#1. Regardless of whether it sends itself out or not, you are still infected with the virus. If you are using Netscape and launch the virus, you are infected. If you are connected to a network that has shared resources, they will be infected. There were thousands of these things before e-mail, they spread then. So the idea that they cannot spread without Outlook is ludicrous. One of the most feared virus is one known as a boot sector virus, these are spread by disks. Again, (really) the reason no hacker uses the Netscape address book to relay a virus is because only about 5% of the pc's out there use Netscape.
If you were going to pick a line of cars to market a new "water to gas" conversion unit for, and could only pick one, would you pick an AMC Pacer or a Ford Explorer?
#2. How can you possibly blame Microsoft for the problem if people don't take the responsibility of keeping their product up to date?
I had a 1995 Mustang GT that I just sold (Broke my heart), about 2 years ago Ford had a recall admitting that the hood latch could fail and cause the hood to open at highway speeds. If my hood blew a year or two after they notified me would it be their fault if I wrecked? Did Ford need to send a service person to my house to fix the hood?
#3. That is simple, if you open Explorer and click Tools and select Options (or Folder Options depending on version), click on the View tab and take the check out of the box that says "Hide file extensions for known file types" and select OK. I would also revert back to the fact that every file type has an associated icon with it, most people would question why they don't recognize the icon they were saving to their disk.
It really makes me sick that so many people are ready to blame anyone else for their problems. If you are going to invest the money in a computer, invest the time to learn how to use it and how to protect yourself.
#4. This statement is totally unfounded. First off, see #1. Then I would point you to the SARC web page to research all of the varieties of Trjan Horses & Boot sector Virus variants out there. Trust me, I have been dealing with virus problems since the late 80's, where was outlook then? I would also remind you that since 80-85% of all e-mail programs in use are written by Microsoft who better to exploit as a means of sending your virus?
"With every release of Windows, more security evaporates, and more bugs appear. Most service technicians I know will not even touch any machine running Windows ME. Others charge a premium to do so, and will offer to waive it if the user allows them to replace ME with '98 SE."
I will give you and any 5 people you know 24 hours to hack into my Windows 2000 workstation or My NT 4.0 Laptop. You will never get past the login screen. And NT 4.0 has been out for over 3 years.
Do I like Windows ME? No. That's why not one machine has come into my office with it on it. 2000 or XP is the next step. Microsoft screwed up with ME and they know it. But I have a couple of things you may want to pass along to your "technician" friends.
If they are replacing ME with 98 SE they are breaking Federal law and allowing their clients to unknowingly break the law as well. As well as doing them a great disservice.
If they do not embrace new technology as it comes out, and truly expect to make a living off of computers, they are screwed. I don't like every part of my job but it's what put food on the table and I'll be da**ed if I'm going to let the fact that I don't like something hold me back. In 6 months when 98 is no longer available what are your friends going to say? Because ME is the segue to XP and they share many similarities.
FWIW, I have been in this industry since I was 16, (15 years) and I have seen people get in and then get out. I spend on average 15-20 minutes studying in my off time for every hour I work.
If you don't stay on top you'll be on the bottom.
I'll just address each issue separately and as completely as I can without writing a book.
#1. Regardless of whether it sends itself out or not, you are still infected with the virus. If you are using Netscape and launch the virus, you are infected. If you are connected to a network that has shared resources, they will be infected. There were thousands of these things before e-mail, they spread then. So the idea that they cannot spread without Outlook is ludicrous. One of the most feared virus is one known as a boot sector virus, these are spread by disks. Again, (really) the reason no hacker uses the Netscape address book to relay a virus is because only about 5% of the pc's out there use Netscape.
If you were going to pick a line of cars to market a new "water to gas" conversion unit for, and could only pick one, would you pick an AMC Pacer or a Ford Explorer?
#2. How can you possibly blame Microsoft for the problem if people don't take the responsibility of keeping their product up to date?
I had a 1995 Mustang GT that I just sold (Broke my heart), about 2 years ago Ford had a recall admitting that the hood latch could fail and cause the hood to open at highway speeds. If my hood blew a year or two after they notified me would it be their fault if I wrecked? Did Ford need to send a service person to my house to fix the hood?
#3. That is simple, if you open Explorer and click Tools and select Options (or Folder Options depending on version), click on the View tab and take the check out of the box that says "Hide file extensions for known file types" and select OK. I would also revert back to the fact that every file type has an associated icon with it, most people would question why they don't recognize the icon they were saving to their disk.
It really makes me sick that so many people are ready to blame anyone else for their problems. If you are going to invest the money in a computer, invest the time to learn how to use it and how to protect yourself.
#4. This statement is totally unfounded. First off, see #1. Then I would point you to the SARC web page to research all of the varieties of Trjan Horses & Boot sector Virus variants out there. Trust me, I have been dealing with virus problems since the late 80's, where was outlook then? I would also remind you that since 80-85% of all e-mail programs in use are written by Microsoft who better to exploit as a means of sending your virus?
"With every release of Windows, more security evaporates, and more bugs appear. Most service technicians I know will not even touch any machine running Windows ME. Others charge a premium to do so, and will offer to waive it if the user allows them to replace ME with '98 SE."
I will give you and any 5 people you know 24 hours to hack into my Windows 2000 workstation or My NT 4.0 Laptop. You will never get past the login screen. And NT 4.0 has been out for over 3 years.
Do I like Windows ME? No. That's why not one machine has come into my office with it on it. 2000 or XP is the next step. Microsoft screwed up with ME and they know it. But I have a couple of things you may want to pass along to your "technician" friends.
If they are replacing ME with 98 SE they are breaking Federal law and allowing their clients to unknowingly break the law as well. As well as doing them a great disservice.
If they do not embrace new technology as it comes out, and truly expect to make a living off of computers, they are screwed. I don't like every part of my job but it's what put food on the table and I'll be da**ed if I'm going to let the fact that I don't like something hold me back. In 6 months when 98 is no longer available what are your friends going to say? Because ME is the segue to XP and they share many similarities.
FWIW, I have been in this industry since I was 16, (15 years) and I have seen people get in and then get out. I spend on average 15-20 minutes studying in my off time for every hour I work.
If you don't stay on top you'll be on the bottom.
Originally posted by Cougar Allen
. Mac users bragging that their computers are less likely to be attacked by viruses is kind of like me bragging my car is better than yours because nobody's likely to vandalize it ... because it's so ugly already nobody would bother....
And this is why Bill Gates has spent many years trying to make Windows look/act like a Mac OS??
Michael