VNs, VTACs, LaGanas, etc.

thanks for the evaluations from your personal experiences, brother daniel - very insightful and helpful IMO.

per the weight issue with the Cold Steel - i completely agree with it being overweight as is, on that little pathetic handle - but Lynn Thompson encourages folks to grind away on them, ...which i didn't know until i watched his tomahawks video - i say OUTSTANDING - as someone with a sculpting and protoyping background, i can definitely appreciate the excees materials (now) on that head available to the hawkers at large - grind away.

more on the weight issue - it's actually a length/cross-section issue if the head is kept as-is IME.

on the VN zombie stomper that i posted above, in Multicam - it is only 29 ounces at 25 inches long.

that is about five ounces more than my target wait on the Gen 1's with the Trail Hawk heads, but in both those models the handle is way, way over-supported inside ...with a longer-reaching Molar Internal Stike Plate, plus the VN's have 8 inches of solid continuous-strand composites neck that goes clean through the head's eye and down into the handle - then the Molar Strike Plate roots go way down into the handle towards the butt, and i combined the foundation for the cowled steel ring in the butt with an inverted new Molar Strike Plate in the ring's foundation that heads back up towards the first, hence the weight - i probably could've done the whole thing in 21 - 23 ounces, and that is before getting a smaller head, like the excellent ATC's for instance, or grinding down the head. All i did to the head is sharpen the beard and the top point just enough for a good stick, so no perceptible weight loss on the stock head.

this Multicam VN is very lively at 29 balanced ounces, ...i can only imagine how much better they will be - i am a wookie, so i like this weight a lot.


as to the point of the VNs having a small eye, i think that is a detriment in all these designs, before you go composite.

ya have to recall this design's intended purpose - they were meant as killing tools though, ...so that little handle eye would've done fine when you were only hitting soft kidneys, the tops of feet, hamstrings and the side of Charlie's neck.

ugly business.


i guess what i am trying to say is, if you have the small investment in tools, like a dremel, and a little time - the Cold Steel line and a little planning is a modifier's dream, for many different projects rooted in the same head.

they get to be like Ruffle's Potatoe Chips - try to say "no" to getting another one...har...!


got Dremel...?

....i gotta make some handles....

:cool:

vec
 
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pm me and we will set you straight - i don't know who else makes them, or i would offer them as choices.

vec

OK Vec, you've one me over. How do I get one??:confused:
 
This thread is a good read,very informative. I too have had concerns about using a long handle in the close confines of doorways and hallways but a bit of practice has absolved me of that. Because of my physical size I prefer hafts in the 16-19 inch range and feel that the person who carrys the hawk should just "play" with the inches a bit until it has the right "feel". Weight and access are also factors, if its too heavy to carry around then most likely when you need it...it will be somewhere else because it was too heavy to bring with you!!!(a very BAD thing in a tactical situtation!!) Access- if you are going to carry a hawk(or other tool) you need to be able to get to it and get it into motion under the most extreme circumstances(while fending off an opponent with the other hand in a doorway while encumbered by 20 lbs of other gear the "man" says you must carry)...OR... while squatted on the barest margin of slick wet clay river bank and trying not to let your dinner escape. Spike-VS-poll...everyone who carrys hawks will have their own opinion on this but I prefer a spike, mine is used most often to pry apart rotting logs to get insects for fishbait,to loosen up the soil to get to edible roots and tubers and to break up hard packed soil to make holes( for me to poop in!!!!). IMHO the Ranger RD is the most indestructable and most portable CQB tool but I wish it were a couple of inches longer...The Renegade is the best cutter but I'm still working on hafts and I'm having trouble with the tapered eye. My ATC VTAC has'nt arrived yet but my design is to put it under my left arm on my "walk-about" rig and under the flap of my EDC bag. IF I could ask for something I would ask Ranger for a HD version of the RD....make the haft 16 inches and the spike a tri cornered design like the LaGana. I really enjoy coming here and talking with you guys and when my VTAC gets here I'll try to get some pics up of its how it preforms against common building components and as an outdoorsmans tool. A Special Thank you to all those who have and continue to wear our country's uniform in our service. May the Maker bless and keep you until you are returned to us. Anrkst6973
 
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