vote on a new knife

[eastr77]

FYI - there is a Scrap Yard Yard Hook (the same blade style as the Swamp Rat Mini Mojo) currently for sale over in the exchange for $125. Only difference from the Yard Guard is that there is a blade catch hook at the top of the blade.

A Yard Guard here for $175 with sheath.

im going to have to try a swamp as well you talk a solid game for them and the test on those knives are more than i would ever consider doing

 

[pitdog]

I would go for a SwampRat or ScrapYard, both are tough as hell and guaranteed for life.
I don't however think I'd go for a re-curve blade as they are harder to sharpen in the field...JMO !!!

 

[eastr77]

I would go for a SwampRat or ScrapYard, both are tough as hell and guaranteed for life.
I don't however think I'd go for a re-curve blade as they are harder to sharpen in the field...JMO !!!

hello pitdog you live in the most beatiful country side love your pics when you all say re-curve
you are re furing to the belly towards the front of the blade correct i hope that doesn't sound to dum. i just considered it to be a type of kukur. type blade i mainly hang out with the spyder guys over at the spyderco forum so big blades are not a topic very much. is there a reason you prefur the swamps over the busse or is it just the $$$ just wanted to hear your take on it. spyderpheak has about sold me on the swamps already might try the battle rat some time next year.

 

[pitdog]

Yeah that's what we mean by re-curve bro you are quite right !

Without going into too much detail Busse's are better than SwampRats and ScrapYard blades but only slightly, probably not enough for the average person to ever find out !
There is not a lot to choose between the ScrapYards and SwampRats it just depends what handle material ya like, if ya prefer rubber then go with the Yards, you will find none more comfortable however if it's micarta that floats ya boat then go with the Rats but you will have to spend a few more bucks.
FYI there is a Chopweiler on the exchange going for $230, this is one of the best knives ever made period !!!!

 

[eastr77]

Yeah that's what we mean by re-curve bro you are quite right !

Without going into too much detail Busse's are better than SwampRats and ScrapYard blades but only slightly, probably not enough for the average person to ever find out !
There is not a lot to choose between the ScrapYards and SwampRats it just depends what handle material ya like, if ya prefer rubber then go with the Yards, you will find none more comfortable however if it's micarta that floats ya boat then go with the Rats but you will have to spend a few more bucks.
FYI there is a Chopweiler on the exchange going for $230, this is one of the best knives ever made period !!!!

gottca!! yes that is the one drawl back to my fb16 is it's takes more tech to sharpenwith a stone. with the sharpmaker its very easy but out in the woods the sharpmaker isn't aways handy. thanks for furthing my edge-u-cation

 

[eastr77]

you guys are keeping this to close to call well i think will get them both unless there is somthing neg about the n690. i love the handle and look of my hossom and jerry hossom has a great design and even more beatiful work my spyders have never failed but have got to try a busse . oh and if you haven't handle a hossom be it custom or spyderco the handle design is off the scale for confort. thanks to jerry hossom for the info he gave me and a great design. and thanks to any one who will give me some more input and vote i realy can't wait to see how this turns out.

 

[Buffalohump]

I have a Badger Attack on the way and would be able to give you some input on it from a relative Busse new-comer's point of view. I was hoping it was gonna arrive today and but no dice. Maybe tomorrow!

I was also looking to pick up a Swamp Rat or Scrap Yard but its tough finding the right one for a good price. I got a good deal for my Batac, so now I'm spoiled.

I like the Yard Guard but its a big fella. I'm thinking the Dumpster Mutt might be the route to go, but they sell for twice the original price on the exchange, which I find a bit disturbing.

I really wish they would crank up the production on the Scrap Yard stuff. They're supposed to be the entry level knives, for crying out loud. :grumpy:

 

[eastr77]

I have a Badger Attack on the way and would be able to give you some input on it from a relative Busse new-comer's point of view. I was hoping it was gonna arrive today and but no dice. Maybe tomorrow!

I was also looking to pick up a Swamp Rat or Scrap Yard but its tough finding the right one for a good price. I got a good deal for my Batac, so now I'm spoiled.

I like the Yard Guard but its a big fella. I'm thinking the Dumpster Mutt might be the route to go, but they sell for twice the original price on the exchange, which I find a bit disturbing.

I really wish they would crank up the production on the Scrap Yard stuff. They're supposed to be the entry level knives, for crying out loud. :grumpy:

hey i always love to here reviews on knives. have you ever handled a hossom before IMO they have the most confy grip of any large knife i've used the only bad thing i hear about there busse grip is very large i have long fingers hence this no issue to me but after using my hossom for a year some of my old faves now hurt my hand im spoiled the Jerry Hossom grip design it would be great if jerry and jerry were to colaberrate hope thatts spelled write... and make a busse Hossom they both have super knive it would be neat to see what there minds could come up with if there were in the same room.

 

[eastr77]

Cliff Stamp
Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 53

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Originally Posted by Rob
Just, for a quick comparison of 440C, VG-10 and N690...

Cheers, Rob

Note the numbers should be ranges for C/Cr for all the steels, for N690 those are just the mean values, note that is the same for 440C , this means the hardening response, carbide volume, and corrosion resistance will be near identical. The carbide volume is the main factor in edge stability and toughness so expect the steels to be the same there.

The small addition of Cobalt will not have the same magnitude of effect on the properties of the steel as the much larger change in Chromium when comparing N690 to VG-10 vs 440C, so it will be much closer in behavior to 440C, which is how the manufacturer actually describes it, as their version of 440C.



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Originally Posted by eastr
would love to see what you think of the hossom line ...

Completely wrong choice of steel for that style of knife, that stainless steel is optimized for the exact opposite set of material properties that are needed in a large knife. The high amount of chromium carbides lowers edge strength, toughness and stability and decreases edge retention and ease of sharpening.

If you have to use the 440 line for that knife then use 440A but in general you would be much better off with 12C27M, this would give you a stainless steel similar to 52100. Low carbide volume, high hardness, toughness and very good corrosion resistance (rated to resist dishwashers for example).

I will likely be picking up another large blade to work with but more likely the Dog Father or similar.


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I would never ask spyderco to replace it if i broke it during a batoning or what have you because i don't consider it normal knife use.

Unless the impacts are with a metal hammer or rock, if the knife breaks then it was either poorly designed or the heat treatment was flawed. Just buy a standard 1/8" Barteaux Machete for $10 and impact the spine until the blade breaks. With wood on steel you simply should not be able to generate the necessary impact forces to create fracture.

There have been some reports, about a half a dozen or so I have seen, but in all of these cases they were either gross cases of design neglect (like square corners in the tang/blade junction) and that is just basic design failure. With proper construction, 1/8" thick is easily enough to provide the necessary strength for batoning.

-Cliff

here i think sums up n690

 

[SpyderPhreak]

Batoning is something you wouldn't have to worry about doing with any Busse family blade. I can't think of a single one that wouldn't be able to take that.

For the record, I currently have three medium to large Rats, all purchased relatively recently. I have a Battle Guard (a Battle Rat with a Bowie-style guard), a Chopweiler, and a EH3 Mini Mojo. All of these knives are great in their own right.

The Battle Guard has the older Resiprene-C handle, so it feels a fair amount lighter in-hand than the Chopweiler even though total weight is similar. In the cold, this handle is much more comfortable than the current micarta and exposed tang handles. Also, because the handle portion of the knife is lighter, it is balanced more blade-forward than the 'weiler. Combined with a full flat grind, it is an amazing chopper while having a thin enough edge for more delicate work. Overall, I think I like the Battle Guard better than the Chopweiler. Both of these knives have a long straight edge up to the belly, easily field sharpened if necessary. If you can find a decent value on a Battle Rat or Guard, I would highly recommend one as a field knife.

Now the EH3 (Mini Mojo) is a smaller knife, and excels in other areas. The gentle recurve is nice for general cutting tasks, and the knife still has enough heft to be a decent chopper comparable to a small hatchet. This is my go-to field knife for most of my hunting endeavors, due mostly to it's intermediate size. I'll take one of the larger ones if I'm Elk hunting, most likely the Battle Guard.

Finally, I am also a big Benchmade and Spyderco fan (the Spydie factory is only about 15 minutes from me, also do note my screen name here), and I think that for production fixed blades they both do a decent job, but there are better values to be had out there. I think these two companies are at the top of the bunch for production folders as far as value is concerned (the slight nod going to Benchmade IMHO).

Hope that helps you some in your decision.

 

[eastr77]

Batoning is something you wouldn't have to worry about doing with any Busse family blade. I can't think of a single one that wouldn't be able to take that.

For the record, I currently have three medium to large Rats, all purchased relatively recently. I have a Battle Guard (a Battle Rat with a Bowie-style guard), a Chopweiler, and a EH3 Mini Mojo. All of these knives are great in their own right.

The Battle Guard has the older Resiprene-C handle, so it feels a fair amount lighter in-hand than the Chopweiler even though total weight is similar. In the cold, this handle is much more comfortable than the current micarta and exposed tang handles. Also, because the handle portion of the knife is lighter, it is balanced more blade-forward than the 'weiler. Combined with a full flat grind, it is an amazing chopper while having a thin enough edge for more delicate work. Overall, I think I like the Battle Guard better than the Chopweiler. Both of these knives have a long straight edge up to the belly, easily field sharpened if necessary. If you can find a decent value on a Battle Rat or Guard, I would highly recommend one as a field knife.

Now the EH3 (Mini Mojo) is a smaller knife, and excels in other areas. The gentle recurve is nice for general cutting tasks, and the knife still has enough heft to be a decent chopper comparable to a small hatchet. This is my go-to field knife for most of my hunting endeavors, due mostly to it's intermediate size. I'll take one of the larger ones if I'm Elk hunting, most likely the Battle Guard.

Finally, I am also a big Benchmade and Spyderco fan (the Spydie factory is only about 15 minutes from me, also do note my screen name here), and I think that for production fixed blades they both do a decent job, but there are better values to be had out there. I think these two companies are at the top of the bunch for production folders as far as value is concerned (the slight nod going to Benchmade IMHO).

Hope that helps you some in your decision.

the race is close i trade a fellow forum menber last night he was kind enough to hook me up with a battle misstress what a knife still waiting to see how this turns out but what cliff has said about 690 kind of sways me 440c :barf: there are blade you can get in that that cost far less but spyders are still my fav.

 

[David E]

To be honest, I would rather have 6 Moras, a Vic farmer, and a Wetterlings small hunter for less than any one of them. .

I'd rather have one quality knife over a dozen lesser pieces, myself.

Maybe that's just me.....


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[ikkyo]

I'm also a quite newcomer to the Busse world, but I would say, BATAC.
I have a SR Ratmandu, which is an awesome blade IMHO, good slicer, and enough big(or small) for any camp cores...BUT I pulled the trigger on a "porkfriedrice" BATAC with mag, handles, and I didn't regret.:thumbup:
The BATAC is a heftier blade, but after a short period it is extremely comfortable -for me...the quite long handle gives you different balance-options, and holding at the end you can chop with it, too.
the CG-grade is just enough thick-or thin -to cut well, and still handle extreme beating. and it is just nice(for me, again..)
I'm far from being an outdoor/survival expert, but I use my knifes.

good luck in the search!

(the value-holding, and the warranty-factor is unbeatable, too)

 

[Bigfattyt]

Out of those three I would pick the busse BA, but you might want to look at either Swamp rat, or Scrap yard..........the scrap yard also has the guarantee. I have never seen a blade take more abuse with out breaking (on the knife test forum) as the scrap yard. the added bonus is that the scrap yard is part of the busse family with the guarantee, but is cheaper. I think the Badger attack will not disappoint you either. it is prettier.

 

[ikkyo]

I'd rather have one quality knife over a dozen lesser pieces, myself.

Maybe that's just me.....


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well said, David.

 

[eastr77]

the battle misstress i traded for is unbeleiveable that thing is heavy i don't care about weight so thats no prob to me but what a knife i cut down 4 trees to feed my goats and after that it still free hand cut phone book paper at 2 to 3 inch away from my fingers my hossom can't do that after 2 trees i working on getting a BATAC prokfried rice and a BATAC shop custom as we speak i like the badger much better than the BM. the badger will be a all in one camp knife not but it will be my main use knife.