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It's very easy to see that there is cheating going on.

Nothing like continually clearing your cache and cookies and re-voting.

I watched Victorinox go from 45 to over 100 votes in like an hour. Yeah right.

Busse is the same way.
 
What I find completely hilarious is how the cheaters will shout foul play when some other company starts taking the lead. Just like now there is a post accusing Spyderco fans of the same type of thing they did when most likely Spyderco, or one of the other big companies sold at Wally world is the legit leader in the poll anyway. Obviosly there is a margin for error in these polls, especially the internet ones but these guys have taken that margin and messed with it immensely, so much so that the whole poll is for naught now.

STR
 
I agree with you STR. You have to wonder why there is collusion and cheating to skew the popularity results of poll from a few cult members. Funnier, they claim cheat when they suspect that others may be doing the very same thing. Great club. Maybe the participants can get t-shirts printed that they won the big internet poll of july.
Now nobody will know what the true results are. Not even the winners. Forget true results. We want to 'win', well, nothing.
 
Instead of whining and calling unfair, and ASSuming there is mass cheating going on- lumping everyone who voted for a certain manufacturer together as doing something wrong, and comparing this online poll to a drive by shooting- (which is the most moronic thing I have ever heard) Why not email Blade and have them cancel out multiple votes logged from identical IP's?

Acting like an ass doesn't help anything. Stop gumming those sour grapes.
 
In truth no one should be held guilty by association by a few bad apples but the fact is it can reflect badly on others and for that reason alone people should be aware of their actions. Its like a good neighborhood that starts getting drive bys and gang activity in the way of petty crimes little by little. Yeah sure there are good people in that neighborhood but pretty soon everyone starts staying away from that neighborhood and not letting their kids play there anymore because of that bad rep its been getting.

I appreciate and even admire Cobalt for standing up for himself and that forum and some of the more credible Busse fans but you are preaching to the wrong guy Cobalt by telling me I'm wound too tight and all. You should be talking to those guys guilty of wrong in the long winded posts down there in Busse land and not me.

STR
 
Oh so theres another new one. Now I'm an ass too. Hey Rat. If you want to defend those guys thats fine with me ok. I don't even really care that you want to call me an ass but get the facts straight. I didn't compare it to a drive by per say. I simply said the underlying problem with not knowing right from wrong is what underscores both situations. If this is the thanks I get for having ethics then so be it.

So do you condone this ballot stuffing then? Just trying to get clarification. By the way. There is no assuming and you'd know that if you read the posts. Those guys make no bones about advertising their cheating. Its fact. Funny business is going on with the Busse votes and you know it.

STR
 
you guys are acting like little children.

Since nobody seems to realize this, I felt it prudent to point this out.

You are making vitriolic statements about Busse and in doing so, are making yourselves look petty and cultlike- it is besmirching this forum as well.
 
I voted once, I am not into ballot box stuffing.
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this is what I had posted in the other thread.
Why not shoot an email off to Blade if you feel so strongly about a meaningless poll? Taking digs at other knife companies and fans of those companies is far worse than someone voting more than once in a silly online poll.
 
So let me get this straight. You think pointing out cheating and being upset by it is what smears the forums but joining in and laughing about it and even defending those that did it does not?

Please.

STR
 
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Where do you see bitter statments about Jerry? I honor the man and was upset on his behave for that behavior I saw. He doesn't need that kind of help promoting his products. Honestly I am a bit shocked that you are not appalled by it also.

STR
 
the majority of my collection is HI and BUSSE. i do enjoy certain crkt blades, and as a pure cutting implement spyder co meets most needs a person could have. i've carried a leatherman of some sort daily for 6 years now, and i use it more then any other tool i own.

i agree with you. at this piont i dont think the poll is valid. but then, the only way they could have stopped that from happening is by keeping a list of ip adresses that voted, and im not sure they would want to go through that kind of trouble. in a large group of people, there will be a group that iether lacks foresite to their own actions, or simply does not feel that their actions are wrong in anyways. these things are unavoidable, especially on the internet, where it is very difficult to regulate methods and accuracy. i dont think that this is specific to busse in that poll iether, though it is unfortunate that its happening at all.
 
You know, I just have to apologize here. When I posted that I agreed with STR, I really just didnt get it. Now I stand corrected.
The Busse guys are the real victims here. You show amazing character by defending such an honorable group of misunderstood brand enthusiasts.
Im sure Jerry appreciates your stand on behalf of his worshippers also.
 
STR said:
Where do you see bitter statments about Jerry? I honor the man and was upset on his behave for that behavior I saw. He doesn't need that kind of help promoting his products. Honestly I am a bit shocked that you are not appalled by it also.

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I didn't see anything negative about Jerry.
Plenty of "cult" statements and negativity towards Busse and fans of the company. just as bad IMO. Nobody has been making ad hominem attacks towards the "spyderco Camp" AFAIK. You might overlook this fact, but I find that appalling.

I don’t approve of ballot stuffing, but I am not going to get bent out of shape because of something so meaningless.
As to why some more popular (volume of sales) companies are less represented on the poll compared to Spyderco, SAK, and Busse- well the average knife buyer isn’t a knife nut spending time on these forums and voting in a poll.
 
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You know, I just have to apologize here. When I posted that I agreed with STR, I really just didnt get it. Now I stand corrected.
The Busse guys are the real victims here. You show amazing character by defending such an honorable group of misunderstood brand enthusiasts.
Im sure Jerry appreciates your stand on behalf of his worshippers also.
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Man - you guys. Its just a dumb "poll". I mean who the heil cares.... I like my knives and you like yours - Great! Woo Rah!

As if it means anything anyway. Of course I think its interesting that some of the mass produced manufactures are not doing as well as one would expect.... but hey I know what I prefer and thats my Busse-ness. :)

peace out

T
 
"His products don't need cheating and foul play to put them on top by messing with results the way they are and taking the honesty out of a good idea."

i also agree with that sentiment, as well as the idea that in a majority setting, the item that is best known is most likely to win.

"Can the guys there that support him say the same? To me they've done him a disservice showing their true colors."

if there was a statement that seemed to be aimed towards the greater whole in your posts, that would be it. however i feel that that was directed at the specific people who brought it up in the forums, rather then everyone in general. these things certainly dont help the image of a companies customers base any, but again, i doubt that this sort of thing will be limited to any single company in the poll.

i can understand why a person would like to see busse win in that poll, or any of the lesser known companies like casiberia. its frustrating when you speak of your favorite brand and no one knows about them. but of course, that doesnt make it okay to vote more then once.



hopefully this thread wont spin out of control like so many others before it.
 
I quit posting there after page 3. I said what I said and was not attacking anyone. I pointed out some of the fan base and thats it. I don't like seeing it reflect on everyone anymore than you do. The guys guilty of nothing have nothing to be so defensive about, unless maybe they feel some guilt about something they aren't talking about maybe???


STR
 
have you even read any of the responses in this thread? there was plenty of negativity directed towards Busse. The reverse is not true, and my hands are clean.
 
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