Warning from China

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Hey guys, I just wanted to hit up bladeforums to warn everyone about something I saw while browing the net today. I was reading about fake striders coming from china and so i looked into aliexpress. Yep, a slew of fake sebenzas and SMF's later, I saw this guy.
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This one is especially scary because not only does it look rather accurate to me (I've never owned an Umnumzaan or a sebenza so I wouldn't really know). But this guy actually has "idaho made" engraved into it. I saw a lot of the other chris reeve knockoffs never had that in them so this scared me a great deal. Just wanted to give a heads up because this crap makes me nervous about who I buy from.
 
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What to be nervous about? The price alone says the knife is fake and not to buy it.
 
Counterfeiting is so prevalent in China, that when people in Hong Kong want a LV wallet, Rolex or whatever, they will only buy from the official LV or Rolex or whatever shop. I'm sure there are some legitimate gray market shops and some real second had items, but I wouldn't want to experiment.
 
Aliexpress.com is owned by Alibaba.com, a site named for a fictional character, Ali Baba, who steals from thieves. So, it's not exactly like they didn't warn you about their character.
 
Gollnick said:
Aliexpress.com is owned by Alibaba.com, a site named for a fictional character, Ali Baba, who steals from thieves. So, it's not exactly like they didn't warn you about their character.
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Also if you havea Problem/Complaint MOST of their sellers are Impossible to work with....make False claims then Never follow-thru!
 
Thanks for the heads up about Alibaba/Aliexpress. I was actually considering ordering some stuff from them.
 
I had recently done a search for a knife, clicked on the pic and thought... those pivots are a new design! ...then I looked at the price and realized :thumbdn: :thumbdn:

What is really scary as a maker is to get a fake one sent "back" for work. I recently read about a guy getting a knife returned that way, wow!

I had a Chinese company write me about a design of mine the day it came out. We're on the radar for sure.
 
Yeah, knock-off's really suck... :thumbdn: I got burned on a knife a few years ago; the seller (off of Fleabay) claimed it was legit and it ended up being a chinese counterfeit/fake of a USA made knife. All attempts to contact him resulted in no response and I lost $175.00 as a result of not being able to file a claim with evilbay in the appropriate timeframe. :mad:

Buyer beware for sure.
 
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A heads up also serves as a buyer's guide for the simple Simons among us who rationalize their way into buying from these thieves, whether it's to practice pimping skills, see if they like a particular design or because they just don't care. The market is swarming with fakes now and that makes it nearly impossible to buy or sell on the aftermarket. The watch market has gone down that path already and knives are next. Manufacturers and dealers give lip service to stopping it but don't really care since it drives everyone to authorized retailers to pay full price at exorbitant mark ups.
 
yea i've seen these knives they are very good knock offs but 2 things should throw up a red flag 1. is price of course2. all those knives are made of d2 steel striders and crks don't use d2 steel so if you see a strider or CRK under 100 bucks or around that mark made out of d2 it's a fake.
 
Allen R. said:
yea i've seen these knives they are very good knock offs but 2 things should throw up a red flag 1. is price of course
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What about someone that buys one not realizing it is fake then goes to sell it on a forum at the going price? Then you can't go by price to tell.

Are there fake 0561's out there?
 
No fake 561's YET, but there is a slew of fake Hinderer XM18's and XM24's though.

China wouldn't make it if people didn't buy it. I have been criticized for my posts telling people not to buy counterfeit products especially those related to the hobby as it hurts innovation and the people who make these. It is obvious that there is just as many people who can care less and buy these all the time which explains why there are so many knockoffs. There must be profit to be made. The main concern now is that some may be fooled into paying prices as if it were real. It's not gonna be me, hope those who pay $400 for a knife do their homework and know what their buying.
 
When those people whom Buy these fakes/copies can no longer buy the real thing due to it being discontinued or the company being hurt so badly that it goes bankrupt, then perhaps they will understand how their purchasing habits have hurt the hobby and the companies themselves. It doesnt matter whether its a fake branded copy or a branded copy by a different maker, design theft is still theft.
 
Karda said:
When those people whom Buy these fakes/copies can no longer buy the real thing due to it being discontinued or the company being hurt so badly that it goes bankrupt, then perhaps they will understand how their purchasing habits have hurt the hobby and the companies themselves. It doesnt matter whether its a fake branded copy or a branded copy by a different maker, design theft is still theft.
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I'd say a lot depends on the price of the fake. I don't imagine that Chris Reeve is suffering financially because of $20 fake Sebenzas. I don't imagine that many people are deciding between a $20 fake Sebenza and a $400 genuine Sebenza. I don't imagine there are many people who buy $20 fakes who would spend $400 on a genuine knife if the fake didn't exist. Those people who buy the $20 fakes have no involvement in Chris Reeves bottom-line if they wouldn't be buying his knives anyway.

I've also seen several people who bought fake knives who were so disgusted with the low-quality of the fakes that they decided to buy a more expensive genuine-made knife. So in a way it could be said that fakes actually generate business for the genuine knife manufacturers.

If there have been any knife companies that have gone out of business, and it has been documented that they went out of business because of fakes, I be interested to know who they were.
 
Copying a pattern is one thing, I don’t believe in broad monopolies, I believe in buying based on price and features. The trade mark should be an assurance of quality, and I believe faking the trade mark is unethical.

If you want to buy a cheap off brand copy, that is your choice. If you want to buy the expensive branded original, that is also your choice. But when someone buys the “brand” due to a fake trademark and finds it is a cheap copy, that poisons the whole market.
 
godot said:
Counterfeiting is so prevalent in China, that when people in Hong Kong want a LV wallet, Rolex or whatever, they will only buy from the official LV or Rolex or whatever shop. I'm sure there are some legitimate gray market shops and some real second had items, but I wouldn't want to experiment.
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They get counterfeit brand name items from counterfeit company outlets staffed by employees wearing counterfeit uniforms.

Counterfeiting is a way of life over there. I believe their entire economy is based upon it.
 
killgar said:
I'd say a lot depends on the price of the fake. I don't imagine that Chris Reeve is suffering financially because of $20 fake Sebenzas. I don't imagine that many people are deciding between a $20 fake Sebenza and a $400 genuine Sebenza. I don't imagine there are many people who buy $20 fakes who would spend $400 on a genuine knife if the fake didn't exist. Those people who buy the $20 fakes have no involvement in Chris Reeves bottom-line if they wouldn't be buying his knives anyway.

I've also seen several people who bought fake knives who were so disgusted with the low-quality of the fakes that they decided to buy a more expensive genuine-made knife. So in a way it could be said that fakes actually generate business for the genuine knife manufacturers.

If there have been any knife companies that have gone out of business, and it has been documented that they went out of business because of fakes, I be interested to know who they were.
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My sentiments exactly. If I buy a fake ferrari made in china for $20 grand, it in no way diminishes the reputation, quality, or name of a real Ferrari. Not to mention, I could afford the chinese version but not the Italian version.
 
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