WARNING: To NYC Residents & Tourists

At least I can still carry my Swiss Army Knife, right? Although I'm sure it's only a matter of time before they too are declared to be a "dangerous knife" and outlawed.

I love New York City but hate its loony-left politics.
 
More stupidity.....Essex County NY, way upstate. Guy enters courthouse with an assisted opening knife he bought at the local Tractor Supply store. Final outcome after the guy became unruly and the Assistant DA was called into the matter was that the knife was determined to be a gravity knife (I'm assuming they're trying to use the centrifugal force part of the law), and the guy was arrested. Spring assists don't really fall under this section of law IMHO, as you still need to use your thumb/finger to start the action, and centrifugal force never comes into play. But, either way, the guy got arrested. I'm a LEO, and I wasn't there to see how unruly he got, but in my book, the knife is definitely contraband in the courthouse, it's perfectly legal to possess, and it would have been returned to him upon the completion of his business.
 
tom19176 said:
They have all had the blades tighten to the point where they take a bit to open but can not be flicked. A knife that does not lock open is also legal.....I know it sucks, and chances are you will not be questioned, but DO NOT carry any knife exposed in NYC as that violates the NYC Admin Code, and allows the officer to legally check the knife to see if it is a gravity knife....
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Ok this is a bit confusing. My Victorinox One-Handed Trekker has a 3" blade that locks open. The Leatherman multitool has a 3" blade that locks open. My SwissTool RS has a 2.5" blade that locks open.

All these things are sold in legitimate hardware stores here in NYC. How can a locking blade be illegal?
 
auspx, a locking blade over 4" or one that can be flicked open ( therefore a gravity knife) are the only ones that are illegal. I was trying to say that if your blade does not lock open but can still be flicked open then it would not be a gravity knife since a gravity knife must lock open by NYS definition......NEVER assume that because it is sold in a store that it could not be illegal. The is a store opposite the Court House in downtown Brooklyn that sells a TON of knives 90% of which can be flicked open and lock so they are therefore considered a gravity knife.
 
linzoy said:
Are you sure there is no effect? The murder rate in NYC keeps going down. I want to go to college in NYC and I'm not looking forward to walking around defenseless, but I feel pretty safe because right now new york has the lowest crime rate of any american city. It's not right for someone who's been selling pocket knives their whole life to be convicted of a felony but maybe we normal citizens should be grateful for these crazy laws. As long as you keep your collection at home nothing is going to happen.
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lowest crime rate, where did you hear that? nyc has a higher felony assualt and robbery rate then gary indiana. aka the murder capital a year or two back. stats mean nothing though. like anywhere else, nyc has its good and bad areas. the good parts have little violent crime, and the bad parts have a lot. of course, things sometimes happen even in the good parts of the city since they are close to areas that breed criminals. nyc is lucky to have more good then bad areas in comparison to other large cities so the rates are lower then most. as for murders going down, thank advances in medical science.

THE KNIFE LAWS IN NYC NEED CHANGES.

this is not going to happen though. people view knives as weapons not tools. as a result they fear them.
 
Regarding the gravity knife case I mentioned earlier, it appears the issue will not be reached because the stop/frisk was unlawful (insufficient cause).
 
sliplock....too bad it did go to trial ( well good for the defendant I guess).....Pretty rare that the stop/frisk was ruled unjust...any details why?
 
mrknifeguy said:
being a new yorker, i agree, the police in this city are terrible. all they do now is give parking tickets, however maybe they got the stores in ur neighborhood. in mine, the knife store i go to is still open for business, so is the sports store that stells a lot of guns and knives
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Please, SOME of the police, anywhere, are anti knife even anti citizen. New York, like every city has many careing, hard working LEOs. Many of them are knife lovers and would never harrass one for knife carry.
 
I asked a LEO friend of mine about the laws in NYC and he informed me that an NYPD officer is guaranteed "x" number of hours on an illegal weapon/gravity knife posession charge. Given what they are paid, they will often jump at the chance to arrest someone if they see a knife clipped to your belt/pocket and pick up some over-time.

I showed him my Spyderco Meerkat and he tried his hardest to get it to flick open to no avail. He said he could still arrest me for it asking "what do you really need a knife like this for?"
 
kjf444, the past recent years there has been alot of stream lining in the arrest process and most of this type of overtime is gone. If it is not an illegal knife than it would be a false arrest.....tell your friend the LEO to re read the patrol guide he was issued in the Academy......Any knife can be considered a "dangerous knife", but that must be explained in court and if you are not violateing the "exposed knife" Admin Code law and it is not a gravity knife, double edeged or other illegal knife than I don't see there being a valid arrest condition......just my two cents as a former NYC LEO
 
Thanks again tom19176. I should have been a little clearer about my discussion with my friend. I live on LI and occasionally travel into NYC for business and/or recreation. He informed me that the carry laws are different from LI to NYC. It would be easy to forget to unclip the knife and get busted in Penn Station for example.
 
Confederate.....GOOD ONE.....but it must LOCK when open.....close but not a winner....lol
 
Good evening
So, if we try to summarize the knife restriction in NYC, what do we have?
As I understodd, the knife in NYC is illegal if:
1. The lenght is equal or more 4 inches
2. Double edged
3. Automatic opening (what about assisted open?)
4. Balisong
5. And it is better to carry the legal knife completly hidden.

Is it correct?

I live in NYC 6 years, carry the knife and still have no problems...
 
Welcome aristarh1970....Most normal citizens that don't carry a knife exposed will never be stopped or searched and have little to worry about. You have it pretty much correct. The question of assisted openers is a good one as they are not illegal by the letter of the law since you do not push a botton or lever in the handle of the knife, but rather a thumb stud or flipper on the blade. There are two issues with this still possibly being illegal....1) all the assisted openers I have ever handled can still be flicked open and therefore are a gravity knife reguardless of any other way they may open, and 2) since they are usally designed in weapon style configureations and open quickly, I think most judges would allow them to be classified as the all inclusive "dangerous knife". The safest root is to carry a non locking blade under four inches, or a locking blade with a VERY tight blade that does not have a tanto blade, spear point, dagger or baynoet blade.....that should keep it safe, and of course your knife is never carried as a weapon but rather a tool.....
 
Thanks for the comments, tom19176.
All that means to carry the knife beyong the belt instead the pocket.
B/c my EDC is BM-710, BM-806/805, MT-Socom Elite MA, etc. and I am afraid judges can find too little "un-dangerous" in models like these.
And I hope my attitude "smart four-eyes gentle good man" help me to avoid meetings with judge.
 
What about fixed blade knives with blades under 4 inches like the Dozier NY Special concealed in a shoulder sheath. Does anyone have any information or experience with something similar.

My understanding is that any carried blade in NYC must be UNDER 4 inches, carried concealed, not able to be opened with centrifugal force or gravity, not double edged, not any kind of automatic.

Undecided as far as I know are balisongs (any volunteers to get arrested and risk jail to establish NYC law on whether a bali should defined as a gravity knife or not ?)
and possibly assisted openers ???

What actually constitutes a dirk or a dagger in NYC aside from a double edge knife, I could never really figure out.

A dangerous weapon, that is also vague as far as I know, but if you carry a knife for self defense and not as a tool sharing that information with a police officer will get you charged for carrying a dangerous weapon. So better use your right to remain silent on that subject as for me I don't carry a knife as a weapon.

Of course if a knife is marketed and/or sold as a weapon then I suppose it can be considered a weapon:eek:.

And then there are the money grubbing knife dealers and manufacturers who advertise common utility knife designs as "tactical weapons" I am sorry but this pisses me off royally :grumpy: because their greed can put honest hard working New Yorkers in jail under the dangerous weapons law:thumbdn:. Don't advertise a knife as a weapon unless it is indeed designed for that purpose.:cool:

A lot of people like cool knife designs with sleek styling and I am one of them, that does not make a knife a weapon it makes it visually appealing and there is nothing sinister about that, so please keep your mumbo jumbo mall ninja tactical practical weapon cr#p sales pitch to yourself:mad: and emphasize what the blade design is useful for. This is a free country (supposably) and you can advertise any way you wish but I am telling you may lose people like me as your customers:(.

Knife companies who encourage dealers to villianize and slander legit utility knife designs may find that people may not want to purchase your design for fear of it being misrepresented in court as a weapon and going to jail. If we are all in jail and out of a job who will buy your knives ? You won't find many crackheads willing to pay the same amount of money that we do for them.

Now I love Cold Steel Knives, many of you don't, however I have to name them one of the biggest offenders, I am sorry but they attach a weapons label to almost every product they sell. They even feel the need to tell their customers how a tool like common shovel they sell can also be used to "lop of heads" Their AK-47 knive has a very broad, short bowie type blade utility blade, an excellent cutting tool but I am afraid to carry it because cold steel associates it with the assault rifle and characterizes it as a weapon. The name AK-47 doesn't make an uneducated jury very comfortable either. This can make prosecuting and jailing your average citizen for carrying a useful, handy utility tool easy only because he/she was fond of a particular style and look in their knife which in reality has absolutly nothing to do with the real function it is designed for

We all know a little kid with a stolen gun can show any of us how usless a knife can be for a defense weapon. Sorry for the subjective rant.
 
"They even feel the need to tell their customers how a tool like common shovel they sell can also be used to "lop of heads""

Excuse me that was their two handed machete which is definately a field cutting utility tool but I belive their dvd/videos show them using shovels and other tools to assault cardboard human figures.
 
Hi quick question...

Lets say I had a sword that was 5' 8'' and had a samurai costume on. Is that illegal in NYC??? I can't even draw it out the sheath without someone helping me.
What about a regualr 28" sword? Or is anything over 4" just not allowed? Or is it anything over 4" that you can conceal or is concealed?
 
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