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Campbellclanman said:
Lets get this straight.
A proxy buyer is a third person who buys for someone else under the buyers name- the actual real buyer is hidden.
example: Two 13 year old's waiting outside the Liquor store for their 20 year friend to come out and give them a bottle of booze.

Please stop trying to make your point stick- you are mistaken, you state above that proxies form bad situations- "see this situation as an example" Really?
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This "bad situation" has nothing to do with, or can be compared to proxy buy gone wrong, this situation is about the seller not bothering to reply to me because the knife that I bought under my name, using my papal - was modified and not true to its description.
My items are sent to my friends house, The Knives are not purchased for him, he does not inspect the Knives nor would he complain to the seller or to myself - that would change the dynamic and you would be on track with your thoughts.


At times my packages get sent around the World- one of them took nearly 5 months to get to me, I am because of my situation geographically at the sour end of waiting times.
Of the hundreds of purchases I have made over the years I have never made a claim in Ebay or Paypal, I have always believed that- as in this case that I am the one who is going to be most venerable because of the distance. My beef here is that the seller cant be bothered to reply to me, to me that's a seller who deserves to be recognized for their bad way of dealing with things.

100% full disclosure is always to the buyer - its addressed to ....me- using my full name, - the same name that is on my PayPal that is used to pay for the item, its merely shipped to a different add.

Nothing is hidden here

There no proxy buyer that exists here

I have nothing to do with a proxy or anything similar, there may have been messy situations with other people doing this, but this has nothing to do with me, nor does it in any way have a similarity to how I purchase Knives, If you cannot understand this- that's not my problem as it's very clearly been openly explained.
Your subject of Proxy buying is way off the topic, so is not up for discussion anymore as we are flogging a dead Horse.
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If this isn't a proxy situation then why not just file a claim and return the item? Why not just have the items shipped to you and not your friend? What are you expecting the seller to do?
 
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craytab said:
Maybe I am confused but to me that looks like buying and then after the fact having the item shipped to a proxy. Not exactly sure how that works with using your own paypal and ebay info since the verified shipping address would have to match the billing address. Are those somehow the same? Not saying you did anything wrong, just trying to understand.

I'll still maintain that unless the use of a proxy is fully disclosed before the purchase, especially here on the forums, you are asking for trouble. See this situation as an example. We've seen situations like this be unfairly resolved by ebay and/or paypal many times. In the past, I've sold to people using a proxy under the agreement that once the item is delivered to the proxy, the transaction is complete. I'n not cool with being on the hook for my item to be repacked and shipped over seas. Sellers should be aware if that is what is happening, and buyers should be aware (like the OP) that they have less recourse if they use a proxy. A less than honest seller can claim that the proxy manipulated the item. No doubt that if the seller in this situation is less than honest, like the OP claims, he knows this and is not going to respond to any complaints, because he thinks he has this in the bag.

Sucks for our over seas friends, I know. That is why people should be aware.
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I have 3 verified address tied to my ebay account. Two in Canada and one in the USA. It was no trouble to setup 20 years ago but maybe that's different now.

I buy it now/win the auction and then pick the location. The real trick is having a reliable ship to hub. You do kind of risk running into issues if you really run out the clock between the purchase and then the export date which is what sounds like happens.

It's an auction. Even if you win you don't always win.

I set his up because often you'd see something from Salomon or Oakley that was a unique to the USA product and they couldn't export due to their dealer agreement. Even if the item wasn't sold in Canada they were forbidden to do any exports and they'd have the line yanked if they were caught.

And as the purchaser for stuff like that I knew that if it broke or something it was on me.
 
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Danke42 said:
I have 3 verified address tied to my ebay account. Two in Canada and one in the USA. It was no trouble to setup 20 years ago but maybe that's different now.
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...... same for me. I have a US address plus both my Australian (street and PO Box) setup in eBay to purchase with. The US address is that of a friend of many many year unrelated to this hobby. I do always let anyone know I am buying from what the arrangement is and as far as delivery does, once it is at the US address it is delivered. With most things my friend will check them out for me and give me a thumbs up, knives are not his thing as much as mine so I am more careful. In the end it is a bit of a risk we take to get things we could not otherwise. Funny story, he was a sales rep for a large telecommunications company and was use to receiving promotional goods - like clothing - in the mail as freebies. Some years ago his wife had been wearing my new North Face jacket around the house for a week before the penny dropped :D
 
craytab said:
If this isn't a proxy situation then why not just file a claim and return the item? Why not just have the items shipped to you and not your friend? What are you expecting the seller to do?
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I could file a claim - no problem but shipping from NZ is extremely expensive - it would cost 50% of the knife. Also it could take 4 to 6 weeks to get back to Seller.

Most sellers don’t want to know about overseas shipping. They sell to US only because of overseas losses during freight.
I would not expect the
seller to refund me if I did not send the knife- nor would I ever expect a partial refund - if one is not happy about the knife - it doesn’t matter what it costs - the knife is not right.

I would have liked the seller to at least discuss this and hear their version of why description was so completely out- that’s all- and for me to say I’m not happy as a buyer.
 
Danke42 said:
I have 3 verified address tied to my ebay account. Two in Canada and one in the USA. It was no trouble to setup 20 years ago but maybe that's different now.

I buy it now/win the auction and then pick the location. The real trick is having a reliable ship to hub. You do kind of risk running into issues if you really run out the clock between the purchase and then the export date which is what sounds like happens.

It's an auction. Even if you win you don't always win.

I set his up because often you'd see something from Salomon or Oakley that was a unique to the USA product and they couldn't export due to their dealer agreement. Even if the item wasn't sold in Canada they were forbidden to do any exports and they'd have the line yanked if they were caught.

And as the purchaser for stuff like that I knew that if it broke or something it was on me.
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Yup, and that is kind of my point. Stuff can go sideways with these sort of deals.

With the OP, no matter if he is having it shipped to his name and an approved address, it is not being shipped to him. It is being shipped to another person who is then repacking it and shipping it out of country where it will then be evaluated by the purchaser. This can be a problem for several reasons.
 
Danke42, Andy the Aussie, this is what I have been explaining all along.
You can have different addresses in these accounts.
And yes it is on us as overseas buyers- we take a big gamble.
 
craytab said:
Yup, and that is kind of my point. Stuff can go sideways with these sort of deals.

With the OP, no matter if he is having it shipped to his name and an approved address, it is not being shipped to him. It is being shipped to another person who is then repacking it and shipping it out of country where it will then be evaluated by the purchaser. This can be a problem for several reasons.
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But it's still not Proxy buying.

In that case I would email my buddy in the USA and say; "hey this store is mad at me; can you order one and ship it" the seller wouldn't know they were selling to someone on the boycott list till I lodged a complaint.
 
Campbellclanman said:
I could file a claim - no problem but shipping from NZ is extremely expensive - it would cost 50% of the knife. Also it could take 4 to 6 weeks to get back to Seller.

Most sellers don’t want to know about overseas shipping. They sell to US only because of overseas losses during freight.
I would not expect the
seller to refund me if I did not send the knife- nor would I ever expect a partial refund - if one is not happy about the knife - it doesn’t matter what it costs - the knife is not right.

I would have liked the seller to at least discuss this and hear their version of why description was so completely out- that’s all- and for me to say I’m not happy as a buyer.
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Right, the claim process would not cover international shipping because the seller did not sell it international. This is another problem with proxy buying. At least you are honest about it. We've seen people file a claim after the item has been damaged in the international shipping even though the seller thought he was only shipping to the US address. Proxy ships international where it gets damaged and dishonest buyer files a claim.

I hope you get a response but if the seller knows you now have the item out of country, don't hold your breath.
 
Danke42 said:
But it's still not Proxy buying.

In that case I would email my buddy in the USA and say; "hey this store is mad at me; can you order one and ship it" the seller wouldn't know they were selling to someone on the boycott list till I lodged a complaint.
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Okay, if it is not proxy buying ten then transaction is complete once the "friend" reships the package. At least this is how an honest person should handle it. Otherwise, it is a proxy in that there is a third party in the transaction that the seller may or may not have been aware of or agreed to having involved.

Did the OP disclose this was the case before purchasing? If not, and he is now upset and would return if not for shipping cost, that to me is a proxy purchase, even though the item is listed as going to the buyer (it really isn't though, rather to a proxy).
 
craytab said:
Okay, if it is not proxy buying ten then transaction is complete once the "friend" reships the package. At least this is how an honest person should handle it. Otherwise, it is a proxy in that there is a third party in the transaction that the seller may or may not have been aware of or agreed to having involved.

Did the OP disclose this was the case before purchasing? If not, and he is now upset and would return if not for shipping cost, that to me is a proxy purchase, even though the item is listed as going to the buyer (it really isn't though, rather to a proxy).
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You don't do that on eBay.

That wasn't the mistake. The mistake was moving too slowly after the goods were delivered.
 
Danke42 said:
You don't do that on eBay.

That wasn't the mistake. The mistake was moving too slowly after the goods were delivered.
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I think it was moving the goods out of country, making it prohibitive to return. Also, if the seller gets wind a proxy is involved, he'd have an leg to stand on with ebay.

This is another reason selling on ebay is risky. You can specify no international sales, and an unknown proxy can be involved in shipping your item international with no ability to stipulate that once delivered to the US proxy and inspected, the deal is done. Imagine having to take a return on an item you thought you sold in country, after it had been around the world in 180 days!
 
craytab said:
I think it was moving the goods out of country, making it prohibitive to return. Also, if the seller gets wind a proxy is involved, he'd have an leg to stand on with ebay.

This is another reason selling on ebay is risky. You can specify no international sales, and an unknown proxy can be involved in shipping your item international with no ability to stipulate that once delivered to the US proxy and inspected, the deal is done. Imagine having to take a return on an item you thought you sold in country, after it had been around the world in 180 days!
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People still using ebay can handle it.
 
I wouldn’t return the knife anyway - even if it costs me $15 to send it back. So the freight price is not the only reason for me not sending it back. Time and hassle just isn’t worth it.
It’s easier to keep walking and never return to that buyer.

Craytab you still insist on using the label Proxy - when it’s not a proxy buy.
You keep bringing up Honesty as if we are dishonest 🤣 - I would be one of the more honest people to deal with, and it irks me you won’t drop this as so have asked.

Your wrong- there was no Proxy buying - so ok you say - if not a proxy - you’ll try the next best thing and still keep labelling it as a proxy.

My address - ( which is 100% above board) is one of two addresses in eBay - options eBay give me.
Nothing - again nothing I have stated anywhere that I said I have wanted my money back or tried to ask for this from the seller in this thread.
I have clearly stated that I wanted to hear back from him because this Seller IS in the wrong.

Drop the subject of proxy Craytab- I have asked you before yet you still insist - as if you can’t get over that you have got it wrong and made a mistake so you are working overtime to try and justify yourself.

Your behaviour is in the borderline of trolling, and you seem to be on the side of a Seller that R8shell in her awesome searching has discovered this Seller is a real risk and has a dark history- someone who actually is dishonest - but you seem to have missed that one 😉 so it seems you may be friends with this person? or don’t mind the way the seller behaves?

The original OP was:
Seller refuses to reply to my contacting him/ her about a extremely bad description on a knife described as minty.

Now we are down this dark Rabbit Warren Hole with labelling as Proxy buying, dishonesty etc - WOW 😯
Remember here I am the one who has been wronged- Fact. I have not tried to ask for a refund - Fact.
You have come in and got it all wrong and refuses to stop- so just stop- you have got it wrong so I would appreciate it if you did not comment any further as this has been pushed off track enough.

Danke42 and Andy the Aussie have come in saying that they too buy like this as overseas buyers with different addresses - I’m thinking a very big percentage of overseas buyer do this.
If this was a problem eBay would be all over it.
 
R8shell's post pretty much answered the ?. The seller has a reputation for bad behavior and would be well aware of the problem and not interested in discussing it or refunding , much less 4 months latter. You were meant to be taken, and I am sure they were happy with the results.
Thanks for the warning
 
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craytab said:
Okay, if it is not proxy buying ten then transaction is complete once the "friend" reships the package. At least this is how an honest person should handle it. Otherwise, it is a proxy in that there is a third party in the transaction that the seller may or may not have been aware of or agreed to having involved.

Did the OP disclose this was the case before purchasing? If not, and he is now upset and would return if not for shipping cost, that to me is a proxy purchase, even though the item is listed as going to the buyer (it really isn't though, rather to a proxy).
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more trolling…
 
Thank you everyone, I think we have discussed this one to death, it’s Friday here so I hope all have a great weekend with family and friends, as we get on with theses discussions, at times it branches out- we keep trying to press our thoughts and it just goes off, so lets end it here and have a great weekend to all involved.
 
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