We gettin' rifles...

I'm waiting for details on the police response to this. I looked up the VT police website, and it says they have a dedicated, certified police department of 38 commissioned officers. That's very similar in size to ours; we would normally have 3-4 officers at minimum on duty, plus the occasional detective or administratively-assigned officer.
We can generally get 4-5 people at an incident in a couple of minutes.

News stories (still sketchy) indicate the suspect may have chained the doors shut at the building where he was doing his stuff; I saw footage of a SWAT guy with a big bolt-cutter....

A couple of surviving students indicated the fellow reloaded during the shooting...No one rushed him?
A whole classroom full of people, just getting mowed down...
One student said they upended tables and such.
 
From the 5th post to this thread:

Guntotin_fool said:
This makes no sense at all. University police? Mall ninja's at best.

I am sorry, do not mean to rain on your parade. I can see one, maybe two in the whole system, but when was the last time ANY university had a call out where a rifle was needed. Last one i remember was Austin Texas. If you are going to need a rifle, then a .308 team is all you need. This is just silly.

It is a great set up, but what is the need?
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Well done, lad.
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The good news is the shooter killed themselves.

Can you imagine what would happen if they didn't? Death toll could have been in the hundreds.
 
Suddenly this thread seems very relevant again, no? Be safe out there guys and get the d**n tools you need to do the job!
 
There is nothing in this situation where a officers basic handgun, if present, would not have been up to the task...this was not a sniper event, this was not a band of terrorists, this was a single guy with a G17/19 and a P22 walther. Virginia Tech prevented students and faculty from being able to defend themselves by declaring it a gun free zone.

To make disparaging remarks about those who disagreed with the concept as presented by the OP is disingenuous at least. To make them now is down right cheap and disgraceful.
 
if i was a LEO i would much prefer to take on a gunman armed w/a glock 17/19 and a walther P22 with a colt AR15 carbine, vs my glock 17/22/etc.

an AKM wouldnt be bad either.
 
There is nothing in this situation where a officers basic handgun, if present, would not have been up to the task...this was not a sniper event, this was not a band of terrorists, this was a single guy with a G17/19 and a P22 walther.
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Hindisght is always 20/20. Those who were there did not have this intel.

To make disparaging remarks about those who disagreed with the concept as presented by the OP is disingenuous at least. To make them now is down right cheap and disgraceful.
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I call it like I see it.
 
Guntotin_fool said:
There is nothing in this situation where a officers basic handgun, if present, would not have been up to the task...this was not a sniper event, this was not a band of terrorists, this was a single guy with a G17/19 and a P22 walther. Virginia Tech prevented students and faculty from being able to defend themselves by declaring it a gun free zone.

To make disparaging remarks about those who disagreed with the concept as presented by the OP is disingenuous at least. To make them now is down right cheap and disgraceful.
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Guntotin_fool, a hypothetical situation for you. Please, no disingenious responses yourself.

Were you to find yourself faced with an armed mad man who was intent on murdering as many innocents as possible would you:
a.) want a weapon with similar accuracy and range to said gun man
or
b.) want a weapon with superior accuracy and range to those of said gun man?



The correct answer is readily apparent, IMO. Pass/fail, test starts now! :rolleyes:
 
Guntotin_fool said:
There is nothing in this situation where a officers basic handgun, if present, would not have been up to the task...this was not a sniper event, this was not a band of terrorists, this was a single guy with a G17/19 and a P22 walther. Virginia Tech prevented students and faculty from being able to defend themselves by declaring it a gun free zone.

To make disparaging remarks about those who disagreed with the concept as presented by the OP is disingenuous at least. To make them now is down right cheap and disgraceful.
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the point, i believe, was that campus police have no reason to be armed as other agencies because nothing bad enough happens to warrant such weaponry.

true, it could have ended with a pistol shot. but consider the size of a college campus, and not knowing where the shooter is until the shots ring out. perhaps they would have been searching the right area by pure luck. if not, they may have to engage a moving target, perhaps behind cover/concealment, from a significant distance.

a rifle greatly puts the odds toward the officers so armed.
 
roughedges said:
Guntotin_fool, a hypothetical situation for you. Please, no disingenious responses yourself.

Were you to find yourself faced with an armed mad man who was intent on murdering as many innocents as possible would you:
a.) want a weapon with similar accuracy and range to said gun man
or
b.) want a weapon with superior accuracy and range to those of said gun man?



The correct answer is readily apparent, IMO. Pass/fail, test starts now! :rolleyes:
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absolutely. no officer is required to meet force with equal force. we are trained to meet force with force greater than that which is encountered.
 
It's very easy looking in from the outside to say that they should only have this or that.

If it were you in the line of fire you'd want the biggest and the best to increase your chances or surviving the encounter.

Am I right or wrong?
 
zpaulg said:
It's very easy looking in from the outside to say that they should only have this or that.

If it were you in the line of fire you'd want the biggest and the best to increase your chances or surviving the encounter.

Am I right or wrong?
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you are correct, sir!
 
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