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kershawguy13

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I just had a guy interested in a knife welch and back out after saying he would take the item. He asked for more detailed pics, I took around 10 pics and he said he would pay me tomorrow. (this conversation was yesterday, so actually today) Then this morning he emails me that he doesn't want it because he found something he wants more. On all other forums I have sold/bought on welching is a bannable offense. Is there no consequence for welching?
 
If this sort of thing upsets you enough call the person out.

Having people not follow through with their word sucks but it happens. Not a single member here has at some point in their life not followed through with something. Not the end of the world. I don't mark things SPF anymore because nothing is sold in any way until it is paid for. It is just the world we live in now. Most people do not hold their word as their bond. Just like when people use paypal gift when they are not involved in a gift transaction. People agree with paypal to use their service a certain way but don't follow through with that agreement all the time here. Some people learn from that mistake and handle that thing the right way by changing their ways. Do you see the irony in reneging on an agreement with paypal but then being upset about people reneging on an agreement with you?
 
At least he told you when he changed his mind. Could have left you hanging for a few days. This is just part of life you must deal with, not a crime to take action over.
 
Yes, this stinks. Have had it happen to me a few times and it is frustrating. Not honorable, but you have to let it go and move on.
 
It's part of the "exchange" culture.

You have to find effective ways around it, but you weren't really at the point where I feel that you were really inconvenienced in any way.

First, I like to use the "I reserve the right to sell to...." In all my adds. This way I can weed out potential issues quickly.

Second, if someone say's "I'll pay you tomorrow" that to me is a 50/50...you do not mark your item "sold" or "pending" but still available.

There is no complete deal until it's a deal, and that works both ways.
I don't "hold" knives for someone I don't know.....
 
If more people are called out on their shady behavior the more people will stay away from shady behavior. If someone screws you over in a transaction make sure it is serious enough to warrant a GB&U thread and especially make sure your other transactions are above board. As it stands, you are asking for a gift payment but also complaining that a person does not stick to their word. This is ironic.
 
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craytab said:
Yes kershawguy13, as per your pm you sent me I do find it ironic that you are upset about someone not standing by an agreement with you when you don't stand by the agreement you made with paypal to use their service how you said you would, IE asking for gift payments.

If more people are called out on their shady behavior the more people will stay away from shady behavior. If you want to keep asking for paypal gift payments without getting called out then don't post in the GB&U about a non-issue. Something about having your ducks in a row and all that. Enjoy your future here. I'm going to put you on ignore now because from the PM you sent me it seems you have no intention of changing the paypal gift thing. If you do, let me know.
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I have never sent you a PM so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I am under the impression it is ok to use gift on BF if both parties agree.
 
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Rules say to be 100% sure you want to buy an item before commiting. Whatever the punishment for backing out is above my user level .

I'll say this though if someone commits and then contacts me and changes their mind I'm fine with that stuff happens in life . Over the past month I've had 2 people say I'll take it and nothing else though . No contact no nothing those people get on my nerves .

I would say don't commit to anything unless you are for sure you want it and be prepared to pay immediately. I've lost a few sales waiting on someone to pay and have someone call 2nd or 3rd and miss all of them because somebody doesn't have their shit together so they cost me money . Same people that will leave you hanging are usually the same ones to offer you trades in a no trades listing and send you lowball offers in a lowball offer will be ignored post. Cost of doing business though because I immediately ignore you if you burn me . Simple way of me taking out the garbage so to speak. (If you can tell there is anger in my post it's because I switched jobs 8 weeks no check and sold knives to feed my daughter and pay my bills so yea it made me angry especially when I tell everyone my situation that is buying from me )

I've met one of the nicest people on here by them backing out of a sale on me , life happened and he apologized and apologized but it was no issue , guy put his family first and I respect that , we still talk to this day though and he's one of the nicest guys I've ever talked to so just because you back out doesn't make you a bad person . At least the ones that have the decency to let you know what's going on not just leave you hanging out to dry.
 
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kershawguy13 said:
I have never sent you a PM so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I am under the impression it is ok to use gift on BF if both parties agree.
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There are no "rules" here about using the PP Gift option...

I would think things like common sense and some form of integrity to a wonderful and relatively inexpensive service would prevail when selling things to complete strangers on the Internet.
 
JR88FAN said:
There are no "rules" here about using the PP Gift option...

I would think things like common sense and some form of integrity to a wonderful and relatively inexpensive service would prevail when selling things to complete strangers on the Internet.
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I have used G&S for some deals but I use gift also. Why does it matter if both parties agree? I also don't know why craytab called me out for sending him a PM when I never did.
 
kershawguy13 said:
I have never sent you a PM so I'm not sure what you are talking about. I am under the impression it is ok to use gift on BF if both parties agree.
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You are right. You sent me nothing. I apologize and will edit my post. The thing is, it is only okay in the sense that BFC does not enforce paypal rules. In the same sense, BFC does not enforce changing your mind on a transaction, unless you make an extreme habit of it. Screwing over paypal, actually not paying for the service that you use is worse than just reneging on a deal. Does that make sense? Don't complain about someone not being honest with you in a transaction when you do the same thing to the financial institution you use. Further, a buyer should never do a payment transaction with another person using gift because it is not only dishonest but also opens them up to a huge amount of risk. Does that make sense?

From the rules:

"8. Warning: You as a buyer are responsible for using Paypal as it was intended, according to their Terms of Service. Using the "Gift" option revokes any buyer protection you may have if something goes wrong and makes it easier to get scammed. Be smart and protect yourself, if you use gift and get scammed don't come crying to us about it as you've already been advised.
 
kershawguy13 said:
I have used G&S for some deals but I use gift also. Why does it matter if both parties agree? I also don't know why craytab called me out for sending him a PM when I never did.
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Yes. You never sent me anything. That was my mistake. You agreed with paypal to use there service a certain way but your are not following through on that agreement; like your buyer did.
 
craytab said:
Yes. You never sent me anything. That was my mistake. You agreed with paypal to use there service a certain way but your are not following through on that agreement; like your buyer did.
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Has nothing to do with welching on a sale, the thread topic.


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kershawguy13 said:
Has nothing to do with welching on a sale, the thread topic.


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The problem is your expectations for others are higher than the standards you hold yourself. Lastly, when you start a thread here you can expect people to look into your own practices. They should be in line with what you are complaining about. In this case I don't think they are. In fact your are actually taking money from paypal you agreed to pay. Are you out of money in this transaction that the guy reneged on?
 
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