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It's 10:00 PM here and I'm about to watch the news and then go to bed so I'll close out my day with this

Genuine Stag 2nd Generation Sowbelly with Kentucky Derby Etch

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black mamba said:
Taylor, I'm afraid it is in danger. I've had several Fight'n Rooster knives in celluloid from the same period which did outgas, and they were made in the same cutlery factory that the Bulldogs were made, namely Friedrich Olbertz. Make sure you keep them lightly oiled, stored out in the open, not in boxes, or even enclosed spaces, and hope for the best. Check them often, and if they do start to outgas, then have them recovered in something else, to preserve the metal.
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Kiteman72 said:
Man oh man, Jeff, thank you! Bad news, but now I know to separate it from the rest of the pack. I just checked it (and my others) and pulled them from the roll.

I imagine that my trapper and stockman (different celluloids, but still) should be pulled as well. I think they are from that same era. At least I have one stockman in pearl that should hold up. My celluloid stockman has a punch instead of spey, where the pearl one has a spey as normal. The trapper has a
"butter and molasses" cell, I believe it is.

Not to go too far off topic, but how about Case's early 2000's candy and taffy stripe knives? Stable? ETA: Probably not, I need to quit living in denial.
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Avoid storing them in warm / humid areas too and away from direct sunlight :cool::thumbsup: Anything out of the ordinary that you suspect is celluloid you should keep isolated from any other stable handled knives ;) Knife rolls are the worst place... I've heard many horror stories of collections being wiped out from the dreaded out-gassing :confused: But if you are careful to keep them set aside, like Jeff said non-confined spaces and dry/cool/dark, you have the best chance at preserving them. I have an Electric Cut Co that is about 100 years old in tortoise shell cell and it has made it this far (fingers crossed while knocking on wood) ;)
 
veitsi_poika said:
Avoid storing them in warm / humid areas too and away from direct sunlight :cool::thumbsup: Anything out of the ordinary that you suspect is celluloid you should keep isolated from any other stable handled knives ;) Knife rolls are the worst place... I've heard many horror stories of collections being wiped out from the dreaded out-gassing :confused: But if you are careful to keep them set aside, like Jeff said non-confined spaces and dry/cool/dark, you have the best chance at preserving them. I have an Electric Cut Co that is about 100 years old in tortoise shell cell and it has made it this far (fingers crossed while knocking on wood) ;)
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Being that old, are you sure it's not real Tortoise?
 
And now my Bulldog contribution... I've researched this tang stamp extensively online and have had very little luck; I've come to the conclusion that it is either one of the earliest versions that Charlie Dorton made or it is a fake. My Price & Zalesky guide says there is a 3-1/2" stockman with "PitBull" stamp and a heart shield. Mine has a crest shield and is stamped "Pitt Bull"... I've seen other pictures of these online but not much information behind them. Any thoughts are welcome!

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veitsi_poika said:
And now my Bulldog contribution... I've researched this tang stamp extensively online and have had very little luck; I've come to the conclusion that it is either one of the earliest versions that Charlie Dorton made or it is a fake. My Price & Zalesky guide says there is a 3-1/2" stockman with "PitBull" stamp and a heart shield. Mine has a crest shield and is stamped "Pitt Bull"... I've seen other pictures of these online but not much information behind them. Any thoughts are welcome!

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I can’t be a whole lot of help to you, as far as it’s history, but I’d bet that it’s real. It looks authentic, in every way, to me. Very nice!
 
I can't remember where I got this or who to credit for it.

"" Charlie Dorton had the first Bulldog Brand Knife produced in 1978 in the Friedrich Olbertz Factory in Solingen West Germany. Bulldog Brand Knives are still produced in the same factory. Bulldog Knives have five important periods in their existence; collectors refer to them as different generations.
First Generation. 1978 – 1987; Thirty two different patterns were produced. Out of 32 patterns came 469 styles. A Bulldog Brand Knife Collectors Club was formed in the early 1980’s and a number was assigned to each knife as it went to a customer. There were no Bulldog knives shipped into the United States from late 1987 to 1992.
Second Generation. 1991 – 1992; Jim Parker purchased the Bulldog Brand Knife Company. In 1992 the Olbertz factory shipped about 7,000 Bulldog knives to the USA. Later, some knife parts were purchased from Blue Grass Cutlery to complete additional Bulldog knife sets.
Third Generation. 1993 – 1995; 17 new knife patterns were ordered from the Olbertz factory and 5 new handle materials were introduced. Oyster Shell handle material and Lady Leg knives were introduced in this year. The third generation knives ended the era of the two “Fighting Dogs” stamp.
Fourth Generation. 1996 - Early 2000; Jim Parker commissioned an artist to draw “Lucky” Mrs. Parkers purple ribbon bred American Pit Bull Terrier. This drawing appeared as the new Bulldog Knives trademark in 1996.
Fifth Generation. 2000-2003; According to Jim Parker’s Pocket Knife Traders Price Guide, the double dog head stamp was introduced around this time.
2004 Silver Anniversary; This is the Year of the Reintroduction of the “Fighting Dog” Tang Stamp. 25 Year – Silver Anniversary of Bulldog Brand Knives
2005 – 2008; February 2005, Bulldog Brand Knives retired the Double Dog Head Tang Stamp, and replaced it with a single Fighting Bulldog Stamp.
A trademark has to be used every three years to keep it active, so a few knives with the rare two “Fighting Dogs” stamp are released every few years.
The Bull Dog Brand Knives are 100% Completely Handmade in Solingen, Germany by Master Cutlers. Each Carbon steel blade is individually hammer-forged with over 240 hand operations going into each knife, then each blade is reverse frost etched with the Double Dog Head logo. Nickel Silver Pins and Shield, and Brass Liners add to the top quality craftsmanship.
Source: "Pocket Knife Trader's Price Guide Volume 8" By: James "Buzz" Parker and Ed Henley
Sixth Generation – 2009 to Present; Bulldog Brand USA Knives are being manufactured by Great Eastern Cutlery in Titusville, PA and models are product by Queen Cutlery in Titusville, PA. Bulldog Brand USA Knives are high quality Knives, made in the USA, that carry on the Bulldog Brand Legacy. ""
 
Celluloid!! What Jeff said!!:thumbsup:
And maybe the "patina line" along the main blade!!!:eek:
 
veitsi_poika said:
Does it have a model number on the pile side Will? I don't see any info on regular jacks in the books I have...
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Master blade has the fighting dogs tang stamp with Hand Made on it,Bull Dog Brand, Hammer Forged, Solingen, Germany. Pen blade- Fighting Dogs stamp and 2005 pile side.

Thanks also to Jeff and Charlie:thumbsup:

The stain on the Master blade was me cutting acidic fruits and leaving it.

I thought 2005 would be far too late for any factory to use Cell? Thought it had been outlawed as fire hazard by then..:confused:

But, it really glitters and sparkles in the sunlight..:cool:

I keep it in solitary confinement, sectioned until the Knife Mental Health Law.. :eek::D:D
 
Will Power said:
Master blade has the fighting dogs tang stamp with Hand Made on it,Bull Dog Brand, Hammer Forged, Solingen, Germany. Pen blade- Fighting Dogs stamp and 2005 pile side.

Thanks also to Jeff and Charlie:thumbsup:

The stain on the Master blade was me cutting acidic fruits and leaving it.

I thought 2005 would be far too late for any factory to use Cell? Thought it had been outlawed as fire hazard by then..:confused:

But, it really glitters and sparkles in the sunlight..:cool:

I keep it in solitary confinement, sectioned until the Knife Mental Health Law.. :eek::D:D
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No doubt a beauty! :):cool:... I have one of Parker's books at home that summarizes the Bull Dog brand and they did use celluloid for several patterns. I'll see if I can find the exact specs on your knife when I get home later today. The "2005" will help me find it in there.
 
Something to consider.

Back in 2011/2012 (most likely 2012) a group of us were showing and talking about Bull Dog knives. @Blues mentioned that he had had some difficulty bringing his Bull Dog knives to a nice sharp, keen, edge and that he had sent his back to Parker. I said that I hadn't had that problem but then again, I was only talking about touching up the factory edge when I got them before using them. Fast forward to about a year ago and I attempted to sharpen the Sowbelly I showed above and I couldn't quite get it to a sharp, keen, edge - sharp but not sharp if you know what I mean and no it had nothing to do with a wire edge. I think this might have to do with the process of etching the blade but don't know for sure. At any rate the Bull Dog knives are very, very, nice.
 
Sometimes with factory knives you have to sharpen away a couple hundredths of an inch to get to harder steel, due to the less than perfect "gang" heat treating they receive. Maybe the frosted etch process exacerbates this, can't say for sure. I can't say I've noticed any failure to get sharp in the couple dozen or so Olbertz knives I've had.
 
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