Well informed Forum members??

One of the most important things about the forums for me is SOURCES! I've had other makers that are not online ask me were I get handle materials, Torx screws, etc.... You rarely have to post a topic for suppliers, they're ususally in the archives!
My feelings on time spent here at the forums is this: It replaces my TV time! I enjoy BF more than TV, simple as that! My TV viewing now consists of Winston Cup racing and the X-Files, thats it! I type fast so posting doesn't take much time. AND...everytime I sign off from the Forums, I walk away with new information and ideas. Maybe that's why I dont' miss TV
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Neil
OH, since the Wiston Cup season hasn't started yet, I may watch a little of the Super Bowl!

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This is absolutely and for certain the place to talk (and listen) for any knife related stuff.
I, like most of us, have learned so much from this place that I think back 12 months and wonder how I ever bought a knife without asking about it here.

Yes, this is the place to be - and I believe it will continue to be for years to come.

But this isn't just a place to swap knife info - it's also a place where we can make friends with other knife people. And that is what makes it a special place to visit.


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I think there are a lot of downsides to the Internet and computers but without a doubt, they have their uses and can be incredibly effective. Your post clearly illustrates it.
I've experienced the same situation with archery, backpacking, guns, fishing, hunting, optics, and a bunch of other things. It's amazing how much great information is easily accessible on the Internet.

If I'm interested in a new book that just came out, I can find a half dozen book reviews on line. My field is biological science and I get the latest biological science information delivered to my email every day (although in a very minimum dose). But I can also use my computer and order science journal articles or even niftier, print them out, right off the net.

If I want to find out about somebody that's "important," they usually have a homepage or there are numerous biographical articles written about them on the internet.

And this brings up one of the complaints about the internet. It is leading to two kinds of people in this country. A new kind of literacy, those who are computer literate and those who are not.

And you might be surprised at who is not. Probably half or more of the students I teach in freshman college classes are computer phobic. It's like pulling teeth to get them to check their email, which is freely available to all. Easily 2/3 of the faculty in my department are scared to death someone will tell them they have to have a webpage.

It's a brave new world out there.



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Oversharpen the blade, and the edge will soon blunt.
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I don't know about being well informed... before newsgroups and forums, I was happy in my ignorance with my SAK (which, I do still carry) then came Ryan Malpiede and his recommendation that the Sebenza was the knife! Seconded later by St. James, G2, Jim O'Young. who never pushed his company (but, I will get one Jim!) Then came other makers, now I am having to get a Tom Mayo creation, Allen Blade, RJ Martin, Lynn Griffith, Darrel Ralph, Trace Rinaldi and yes, I am going to get a Dr. Lathe special... sheesh, my wallet can't stand any more of this knowledge crap!
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Yeah...It sure feels good to know what a good, quality knife is. Not too long ago Renfield( friend/neighbor)swore that 420J2 was the best one could get. He said this because he just got a Hibben Pro Folder. Awesome looking knife, but now me and him both know that 420 is not even close to being good steel. Well, unless its 420v.

Oh and as for the unfortunate people who dont know what BF is, they can swear on their mother's life that their Gerber "Gator" is the best knife in the world...HA!

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i am glad i was enlightened by Blade Forums

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Just so you guys know I am working on a project that will insure that this place remains #1 in knife information and stays the huge resource it is. I understand what this place means to everyone, and what it means to me.

To do so I must make some huge sacrifices and devote a huge amount of resources to this site. I am sure I will catch a little heat for some of the changes I must make but it will be for the best of the forums.

Stay Tuned.

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Lifter4Him; you posted:


lifter4Him@aol.com
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From: Wharton,NJ USA
Registered: Sep 1999
posted 01-30-2000 05:15 AM
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Dr Lathe, I agree with what you say about general knife knowledge.
There is a chance,though, that the old timers know talonite as stellite. Isnt it the same? I've heard that the name stellite was trademarked so others call it talonite.
Anyone know if this is true?
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This is not true. Talonite (r) has a composition the same as Stellite (r) 6BH. The difference, other than being named for a toddler named Talon, who by all accounts is one tough little guy, is that Talonite (r)
has been hot rolled and age hardened. This, in the opinion of several noted people in the knife industry, give Talonite (r) an advantage over Stellite (r).

Talonite (r) is actually made in Canada, imported by Carbide Processors, and distributed by Rob Simonich. Check Carbide Processors for info on knife alloys, and some pics of Talonite (r) knives: http://www.carbideprocessors.com/knives.htp

Hope this helps, Walt
 
thanks for the info Doc. I had just remembered reading somewhere that they had the same makeup.

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Dave
Wharton,NJ


 
Nothing funnier than handing someone an open linerlock, and watching them try to shut the blade. I tell them it's an intelligence test for tool-users.
 
Lifter,
Thank Walt for the info!
I work with Stellite at my full time job. The Varieties I've used are actually quite tougher to work with than Talonite! I've made several knives out of them but there somewhat prone to chipping. Of the various Stellites I have worked with including sprayed powder, Talonite is by far better as a knife material.
Neil

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I did a gun show a couple of years back in Belleville Ontario, home of Deloro Stellite and had the pleasure to meet several of the people from Deloro. Believe it or not the one engineer preferred 440C over stelllite because of the ability of 440C to take a finer edge. This has something to do with the crystal size in the metal, stellite has a larger crystal structure therefore has a rougher edge but it holds this edge much longer than 440C.



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There is no doubt that this forum is most instrumental in educating the knife buying/making public. For the daily infusion of news, products, reviews, costs, dealers, all phases, etc., is why the print magazines are having trouble keeping up. they used to be able to maintain their edge because they offered colored photos. Now the internet allows for that.
I'm in my 50's and I remember buying knifes from makers at county fairs and tractor meets. There are still the experienced makers that do not like the pace of the internet and probably this forum as it exposes an issue to a wide round of scrutiny and bullcrap just doesn't make it here for very long. The up and coming makers see this forum as a way in which to really reach their market.
Appears this internet is here to stay and those that are adept to learning and applying will endure. That's especially true for the individual makers. (old and new). The rules are being rewritten and I love this forum!

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while it is true that 440C does have a nice fine grain structure (i still use it sometimes) the edge holding ability is far behind the caboose compared to talonite...and for the field and general purose....thats the main factor....in an place where you can easily get your knife sharpened or get another, there may be no reason, but on top of the mountain in Idaho is no place for a knfe that will only get thru half an elk!!!!!

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I know one thing that will be happening as knife enthusiasts become more knowledgeable... Questions concerning knives are going to get a LOT more technical for the knifemakers. My Email and phone inquiries reflect this every day. While the average person attending a knife show may not be able to even attempt to make a knife, They will be able to ask some important questions! My feeling is that it if the knifemakers don't continue to expand their knowlege, they could be left behind by their customers.
I found this to be the case at the past two shows I attended. I asked questions of many makers regarding materials, Rc hardness, pivot bushings and handle materials. Subjects that any BF member could read up on any given day here. I was a bit suprised by some of the responses I got
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The way I look at it is, if I'm going to lay out considerable funds for a knife, the maker better be able to answer some technical questions! Lynn Griffith and Jim O'Young answered everthing I wanted to know and I don't think my questions were out of line!
For me, this is what closed our deals. I dont' care how well known a maker is, if they cant provide the information I need to make an educated purchase, I'll move to the next table.
Neil

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It's not just knives......

I'm in the process of deciding on a new motorbike, and I have a lot of information at my fingertips - I doubt I'll buy from a dealer who doesn't know as much about the bikes he sells as I do
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This is the information age - and it's us that have the information, and are using it.

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DrLathe, I was thanking Walt Welch in the post way up there. I was under the impression that he was a doctor.
Anyway, thanks everybody for all the info.
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Phil. 4:13

Dave
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Tom you are way off base on the performance of 440C. I have had an elk hunter dress, skin, and quarter TWO elk without having to resharpen his 440C knife. His comment afterward was "the knife was still sharp, you just couldn't shave with it any more". Several moose hunters have dressed, skinned and quartered two animals without resharpening, the standard that I aim for is one moose without resharpening and I never have had a hunter complain the knife would not meet that target.

I am not saying that 440C is as good as stellite in edge holding, stellite is better.

I make affordable knives for hunters and put a moose hunter on the table under $100 US, the same knife in stellite would run over $200 US. The bulk of my customers would/could not pay that much for a working knife.

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Neil,

I have been through that many times at the shows. It has happened with 440V 420V cpm3V cpm 10V Talonite of course and even Stellite!
Most of the world is living under a rock it seems hahaha.

Regards,

Tom Carey
 
Dr. Lathe,

In addition to agreeing with your post and those of others here about the level of knowledge, I find that somehow my being a moderator has conveyed upon me the dubious label of "expert" which I loudly proclaim I am NOT!

I do have over 60 knives of darned near every type of alloy. And yes, I was involved very early with Talonite (trust you read my article in the first issue of To The Point), but none of that makes me an expert by any stretch. I receive a lot of e-mail which I've been quite happy to answer. Hopefully I can help stimulate others in finding cutlery to be an enjoyable pasttime.

Doc,

Ya beat me to it again
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! Lifer, the man is a fantastic source of technical info on Talonite and a certified fellow pioneer in getting this stuff worked by great custom makers.

George, et al,

Kit Carson will tell you that he can get a pretty darned good edge with Stellite. And of course it has been now amply demonstrated that you can get a wickedly sharp hair popper in Talonite. I believe the hot rolling and age hardening improves the grain over Stellite allowing for not only easier grinding but a sharper edge. No question that many of our benchmark materials like 440C are capable of outstanding performance in their own right. But nothing seems to afford the edge holding coupled with corosion resistance that Talonite provides.


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