Went to "Camp" today/ Interesting shelter find

My first thought was human on the scat. Could you tell if there were claws extended on those prints?

I would say that the combination of the amateurish, but kinda cool shelter, the liquor bottles, the camp rules, the bike, etc. it's most likely high school kids using that as a hang out away from the parents. My friends and I had something kind of like that back in school.
 
I'm with kage. Young, underage drinking hideout. The rules because they don't want to get unwanted attention or busted, the humor because they're kids. The unraveled rope because they're farting around the campfire and thinking it looks cool.
 
kage said:
My first thought was human on the scat. Could you tell if there were claws extended on those prints?

I would say that the combination of the amateurish, but kinda cool shelter, the liquor bottles, the camp rules, the bike, etc. it's most likely high school kids using that as a hang out away from the parents. My friends and I had something kind of like that back in school.
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I looked close but had a hard time seeing claw marks which made me think cat,but cats usually scrape ground, poop and try to cover it.
I didn't spend much time other than a quick look and a couple pictures. It looked somewhat "fresh" so I didn't care to hang around.


lukus said:
I'm with kage. Young, underage drinking hideout. The rules because they don't want to get unwanted attention or busted, the humor because they're kids. The unraveled rope because they're farting around the campfire and thinking it looks cool.
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It's hard to see by my pictures but there was symmetry to the way the unraveled strands were woven up over the open middle. Like a giant net. In addition to that, that woven part is sloped front to back. The upright branches are leaning on tensioned rope going around live tree's and then tensioned guy lines out all around.
I think they may throw a huge tarp over the top and sides. Pretty smart idea if they are kids.
I'm curious to find who made it.
 
They might throw green branches with leaves over the net for shade during the summer. Just a theory.

Definitely sounds like a drinking hangout for kids in their late teens or early twenties. My friends and I did the same thing for years. There's not much else you can do when everybody either lives with their parents, or doesn't want to cram everyone into their tiny cheap apartment. The consistent mix of bottles also supports a group of kids who each have set brand loyalties and drinking habits.
 
Be very careful I know exactly what that shelter is. It's a homeless/vagrant/bum's shelter.

See them all the time around here. You can't see them until the leaves drop and then there they are. Once the leaves fall and they are exposed the bums leave (or its too cold and they head for the shelters) It's surprising where and how close to "civilized" areas they can build them. One guy was in an actual dome tent in the middle of a bunch of bushes on a corner of two busy streets. I drove by it every day and you could not see it. One day the cops were cuffing and stuffing this guy right there and then later when I went to lunch the cops were chopping down all the bushes and I could see the tent. Turns out the guy tried to sexually assault a girl that was walking by.

I call them "Bum Blinds". Many of the homeless besides having dependency issues are mentally ill. So you don't want to be in their "home" if they happen to stumble in. Typically here they hurt each other, one beat the other to death last summer and a few years back one or a couple burned another guy to death under a bridge.

Most likely the guy who built that shelter is not a "cool" guy to hang out with. I worked for 7 years with the mentally ill in vocational training and was exposed to many different levels of dependency and mental illness and the ones who were so bad that they remained "homeless" despite all the services available to them were by far the least "cool" ;)
 
I don't know about all the other stuff but that reminds me more of a crime scene and less of a camp.

The turd was either human or an impacted black bear, no gray area on that one, unless your in the Boggy Creek area.
 
Great pics.. Cool shelter.. looks like if they actually stopped drinking and finished it up it might actual serve as an actual shelter..
My signe reading skills are lacking to say the least. and I cant tell much by looking at the track, and don;t know much about the biodiversity of your area, but as a general rule (if we've ruled out human,)canine scat usually has tapered ends and feline scat usually has blunt ends with fissures in that cause the scat to segment when it dries out (fissures shown in the pic) Black bear scat however can have a similar size and shape, and taking into fact that simplest explanation is a good one,(as they are much more prevalent and less likely to conceal feces, and as it looks like there might be some seeds present) I'll go possible black bear. Thanks for posting.
 
Cool pics. You have some excellent taste in blades.:D I've been looking at the slim finns for a while. What are the specs on yours if you don't mind?
 
Interesting find,

OK, "residents" are older teenagers -

1) stolen bike (maybe one of the "residents" neighbors - clearly a kids bike left out an easily picked up on the way to the camp
2) MD b/c it's cheap and they had a "Buyer" - 'all you can get for $20'
3) JD - either stolen from parents stash or a splurge
4) juvenile "Law Sign Post" hence the course language
5) "advanced" construction to keeps things clandestine - outta sight outta mind
6) over-size Snickers bar..... not human (no TP), maybe a small buck (their feces clump more together than does for some reason) and the paw prints from a stray dog giving chase

So yea, that's my theory.
 
akthor said:
I worked for 7 years with the mentally ill in vocational training and was exposed to many different levels of dependency and mental illness and the ones who were so bad that they remained "homeless" despite all the services available to them were by far the least "cool" ;)
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Sorry man, for a guy who worked 7 years with the mentally ill, you seem to have rather stereotypical and unsympathetic attitude towards this population of people who often need help both medical and supportive. At least most of the people I know who work in the field tend to be more balanced in their viewpoint and less jaded in their commentary about them.
 
I'm leaning towards a kids hangout for the reasons posted above..the bike and the sign..

If it was a "residence" that someone was spending a lot of time in, I think there might be more trash and other day to day items laying around which I didn't really see in the pics.
 
I agree w/ fmajor on the turd- looks like deer, that type of clumping is very common w/ ungulates
 
LOL yup I do. Since if you work with the populations you are talking about you quickly become jaded and unsympathetic.

Of the mentally ill, I am talking adults, not children with autism or real disabilities,not vets either but adults with supposed mental illness, about 80% are no different than you and I just some doctor decided to call them mentally ill and prescibe them drugs to deal with the same everyday shit the rest of us do, work, family, pay bills etc. 99% abuse the sytem I watched clients go from food pantry to food pantry collecting turkey baskets one single client got 3 turkey baskets and bragged to me how he sold them, while "working" families can't afford food, the food stamp abuses, the housing abuses I could go on for hours. Many of these folks have scams on top of scams milking multiple programs for money and services.

Of the homeless, 99% CHOOSE to be homeless no matter how much help they get.

I have NO sympathy for drunks and drug abusers since they have done it to themselves.

I was like you before I worked with them I used to think mentally ill people were mostly genuinely sick and unable to function normally, generally not true.

I thought homeless people were people that just had a rough time and couldn't get back on their feet, generally not true.

Really mentally ill folks either get help and become functioning citizens or are so far gone are 100% dependent, can't make decisions, can't live on their own. I worked with probably 300 "clients" during that 7 yrs and I can with 100% certainty say during that time I had 7 geniunely "mentally ill" clients the rest were milking the system.

In our business we saw a lot of "homeless" the same people basically for years except when they traveled to other cities during the warm months for better services and the panhandling was better (their words not mine) a very few would become unhomeless. Everytime we saw them they would have a new item of clothing, or a new backpack, a hair cut, something and then eventually we'd stop seeing them and hear they got in a program or got housing. As I said NO ONE needs to be homeless there are so many state and federal programs out there built to help people let alone all the private charities. People living in cardboard boxes under bridges, WANT TO LIVE IN CARDBOARD BOXES UNDER BRIDGES.

As I said go work with these populations for awhile and you will have your eyes opened as I did. I don't say it to be mean I just tell you as I saw it over and over and over again for years............. Glad I don't work in that profession any longer and I don't miss it a bit.

kgd said:
Sorry man, for a guy who worked 7 years with the mentally ill, you seem to have rather stereotypical and unsympathetic attitude towards this population of people who often need help both medical and supportive. At least most of the people I know who work in the field tend to be more balanced in their viewpoint and less jaded in their commentary about them.
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Man, that is neato! You found someones fort. I made that kinda stuff all the time as a kid. Likely that bums found and use it from time to time and thats where the MD came from.
 
I lived around the area in question for about 15 years and saw one bum the whole time. And he was set up pretty good under a bridge for a few years. I agree its probably kids. I used to ride my bike back there as a kid too.
 
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