What´s the deal with the SHBM - (opinions and experiences thread)

1whobuys said:
Sweet...I miss the Classic I let go..The trip we discussed...He said come on up :)
The SPR and the MOD1 are in this week...:)
Waiting on the Thor and the ECC
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ok, cool. we can nail down the specifics. My MOD1 should be as well. Surprised the ECC is not arriving with the MOD1. EMC may hold unofficial record of K beyond 1350 yards.
 
Gravelface said:
Shbm is one of the BEST designs ever. It is one of my first Busse blades and it still gets used most often.
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Isn't it essentially the same design as the Bushwacker, with different handles? How is it any more "best" than that one, with the exception of how each would feel to any single individual?
 
The straight handles are nice. Classics! Preference on handle shapes is always going to be a personal matter.

Straight handles for me do feel great in hand. They look great, and are really feel anchored on my hand. On tghe flip side, you can feel pinky bite, if the grip is not sized for your hand.

Best advice is to get one and try it out .
 
Chuck and BFT, what size gloves do y'all wear?

Is it that there just isn't enough handle for your hand? I curious if it is this or the way the knife is held?
 
BlackKnight86 said:
Isn't it essentially the same design as the Bushwacker, with different handles? How is it any more "best" than that one, with the exception of how each would feel to any single individual?
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Easy.....it's thicker than the Bushwacker. I wish I had a bushwacker in hand to compare the 2, but alas.....it didn't make the cut to stay and the Shbm did
 
BlackKnight86 said:
Isn't it essentially the same design as the Bushwacker, with different handles? How is it any more "best" than that one, with the exception of how each would feel to any single individual?
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The obvious difference is the handles. The next obvious difference is the lack of mass production at the time(with the exception of possibly the last run of SHBM's which had angled micarta). The SHBM's and previous lines were probably more like the custom shop of today since there was no mass production and there was not high numbers sold. The very early ones were obviously hand ground and it is obvious from the fact that they were not perfectly flat ground, more like a modified convex grind. The original SHBM (and original Basic9) were the knives that set records in cutting. Has anyone actually duplicated this with todays knives? No. I know for fact that the original SHBM's hovered in Rc at about 61. I tested several. These 61 Rc knives could be bent very far, could take incredible side loads and had incredible edge holding. Todays knives are closer to 58 Rc, considering the toughness of the originals I am not sure why the Rc was dropped. Logically, you would assume it was to increase toughness. But often unless tested you don't really know if that actually works. Take A2 for example. It has identical toughness at 60 Rc and 57 Rc (41 ft-lbs), so going lower in Rc doesn't always make you tougher, unless there is a change in steel type and the Rc had to be lowered to maintain toughness.
 
It's the only mistress I have. She's been with me for the better part of 15 years (She took a small vacation w/o me for a while years ago). I've tried pretty much all the others but she's still MINE!! BWAAAAAAAH

Bob
 
As some of the guys have said, handle comfort/ergonomics varies from one person to the next. The old straight handle design is without question still my favorite. I find the SHBM comfortable for easy or hard use, and I like the weight & balance too. My original SHBM, a smooth-handled 1/300, has been used the most. For me, the SHBM is a good-size knife without being too much.

Gene
 
Gravelface said:
Chuck and BFT, what size gloves do y'all wear?

Is it that there just isn't enough handle for your hand? I curious if it is this or the way the knife is held?
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I have wide hands. I wear a 2xl glove, and they are always too tight.

I have never chopped with an old straight handled BM. I had a Ash1, and did the passarround with a straight handled SH (I believe it was Mulders passarround?)


For extended chopping, I could use a bit more handle.

I am still thinking I might need the anniversary SHBM.
 
I wear a size 16 ring and my gloves are size huge. How long is the inner grip area of the shbm? I'm really thinking on a ASHBM. Would suck to be to small for my bear paws.
 
I have a 1/300 with the rear quillon and lanyard hole removed. No pinky pinching there.

Go ahead and subtract the mystique and there is still something special about the SHBM, as if they were magically imbued with extra Jerry-Essence or something. I'm not sure how to say it well, but it's like there's a "timing" to the steel, to the balance, to the chopping blow, that is just different. The crafting is just more palpable in each one I've held (except actually, and slightly sadly, the still very nice Jungle Assault SHBM I have). If I am looking for a shotgun, I may pick up 7-8 of the same model, until I just find that one where the alchemy all worked, and it feels like an extension of yourself. An uncanny number of the old SHBMs seemed to all have that quality. Much like damn near every N-frame S&W I ever picked up.

I love many of my other Busses, but somehow there's just a difference when you toss the old SHBMs into the comparison discussion for me.

It's the difference between "Allentown" and "Keeping the Faith," if you're a Billy Joel fan.
Between a Belgian and a Japanese Browning...
Between a '01 or '02 E55 AMG and a regular E class Mercedes...
Between a Fullerton pre-CBS Fender Strat and a New USA-made one.

All good, but they just have something special...


When I just need to feel to ultimate expression of crafted perfection (and Heidi Klum refuses to come over, again...) I just pick up the 1 of 6 SHBM that Dennis sold me and I feel complete.

...Forever grateful, D!
 
Exactly! There is something about them that just calls out.... I don't know if Jerry dipped them in unicorn blood or did the JWB Nude Ceremonial Drunken Dance around each of hem as they left the shop, but whatever it was.....it worked!
 
Gravelface said:
Exactly! There is something about them that just calls out.... I don't know if Jerry dipped them in unicorn blood or did the JWB Nude Ceremonial Drunken Dance around each of hem as they left the shop, but whatever it was.....it worked!
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The HORROR my eyes my eyes. :p
 
DocAndry said:
I have a 1/300 with the rear quillon and lanyard hole removed. No pinky pinching there.

Go ahead and subtract the mystique and there is still something special about the SHBM, as if they were magically imbued with extra Jerry-Essence or something. I'm not sure how to say it well, but it's like there's a "timing" to the steel, to the balance, to the chopping blow, that is just different. The crafting is just more palpable in each one I've held (except actually, and slightly sadly, the still very nice Jungle Assault SHBM I have). If I am looking for a shotgun, I may pick up 7-8 of the same model, until I just find that one where the alchemy all worked, and it feels like an extension of yourself. An uncanny number of the old SHBMs seemed to all have that quality. Much like damn near every N-frame S&W I ever picked up.

I love many of my other Busses, but somehow there's just a difference when you toss the old SHBMs into the comparison discussion for me.

It's the difference between "Allentown" and "Keeping the Faith," if you're a Billy Joel fan.
Between a Belgian and a Japanese Browning...
Between a '01 or '02 E55 AMG and a regular E class Mercedes...
Between a Fullerton pre-CBS Fender Strat and a New USA-made one.

All good, but they just have something special...


When I just need to feel to ultimate expression of crafted perfection (and Heidi Klum refuses to come over, again...) I just pick up the 1 of 6 SHBM that Dennis sold me and I feel complete.

...Forever grateful, D!
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Yup, that one is a beauty. There is just something about the original SHBM's that makes them special. I will get an LE and CG of the new ones when they come out, but nothing will ever replace my oldies.
 
Cobalt said:
The obvious difference is the handles. The next obvious difference is the lack of mass production at the time(with the exception of possibly the last run of SHBM's which had angled micarta). The SHBM's and previous lines were probably more like the custom shop of today since there was no mass production and there was not high numbers sold. The very early ones were obviously hand ground and it is obvious from the fact that they were not perfectly flat ground, more like a modified convex grind. The original SHBM (and original Basic9) were the knives that set records in cutting. Has anyone actually duplicated this with todays knives? No. I know for fact that the original SHBM's hovered in Rc at about 61. I tested several. These 61 Rc knives could be bent very far, could take incredible side loads and had incredible edge holding. Todays knives are closer to 58 Rc, considering the toughness of the originals I am not sure why the Rc was dropped. Logically, you would assume it was to increase toughness. But often unless tested you don't really know if that actually works. Take A2 for example. It has identical toughness at 60 Rc and 57 Rc (41 ft-lbs), so going lower in Rc doesn't always make you tougher, unless there is a change in steel type and the Rc had to be lowered to maintain toughness.
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It would be interesting to get some more info about the choice of hardness chosen for INFI.
Perhaps we´ll see some higher rc in the anniversary knives..?
 
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