What $40 bucks at Walmart gets you

Going into a walmart in southern Utah is one of the scariest experiences I've ever had. I try to avoid walmart at all costs. I will admit I have bought some cheap fishing gear from them.

People like cheap stuff, which is exactly what walmart sells. Unfortunately their business practices leave much to be desired.
 
Where I live....there aren't really many other options.

Did I mention that Wal-mart headquarters are in my town? :(





Glad you got a good deal, Bro! :thumbup:


Cool pack!
 
I'm a latecomer to walmart, but what a great store.

In my city we are trying to get a Superstore, (which I saw in a different state, and loved). So far the Politicians have been successful in protecting their own favorite stores, but I hope to be able to shop at my favorite store in a couple of years.
 
Spooky, hope the poles and pack work out for you.

B Finnigan said:
Now as I come into town instead of seeing the entire Olympic mountain range with the sun setting behind them I see Wally World.:barf:
Welcome to America. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... Or is that shareholder? ;)

I believe that the two opposing quotes below summarize what is happening in our consumerism, as well as our class structure, in the United States these days.

"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey."
-- John Ruskin --

"Buy quality and only cry once."
-- Bladeforums member Melvin-Purvis --

BTW, I'm of the second philosophy. When someone questions what they consider to be the exorbitant prices I've paid for some of my knives I ask them, "What's your life worth to you? Mine is worth enough to me that I'm willing to pay the price to get high quality tools to support it. If your life is only worth $5 to you, fine.... then get a $5 knife to support it."

In woodworking, I explain to the price-complainers that the real cost of a poor tool is not the money it will cost me to replace it (typically soon and often), but rather it's the day-to-day frustration of trying to work around the tool's shortcomings and the cost of (often expensive) wood that gets trashed because I went the cheap route and bought a tool that wasn't up to the job. The lesson I've learned over the years is that if I get an el-cheapo tool, I will eventually have to buy a higher-quality upgrade to replace it. So now I just get the better tool in the first case and save myself the exasperation of fighting with the cheap crap.

(Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.) ;)
 
BTW, I'm of the second philosophy. When someone questions what they consider to be the exorbitant prices I've paid for some of my knives I ask them, "What's your life worth to you? Mine is worth enough to me that I'm willing to pay the price to get high quality tools to support it. If your life is only worth $5 to you, fine.... then get a $5 knife to support it."
(Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now.) ;)

The equivalent expression among motorcyclists is "if you have a $50 dollar head, get a $50 dollar helmet."

I am of the "buy quality, cry once" philosophy with important items that will see lots of use and/or enhance my safety, enjoyment, ease, etc. of doing an activity or task. But I am willing to buy "cheap and good enough" for lesser things. Walmart has its place, but I'm under no illusions about what I generally am buying there.
 
BTW, I'm of the second philosophy. When someone questions what they consider to be the exorbitant prices I've paid for some of my knives I ask them, "What's your life worth to you? Mine is worth enough to me that I'm willing to pay the price to get high quality tools to support it. If your life is only worth $5 to you, fine.... then get a $5 knife to support it."

I have every confidence in my $5 knives to be perfectly functional knives.

The equivalent expression among motorcyclists is "if you have a $50 dollar head, get a $50 dollar helmet."

This line of thinking is silly, whether about knives or helmets. At what point do you put a value on your life? There is no end, and to follow this line of reasoning, there is no knife (or helmet) worth consideration, because one's life is worth more than any pointy piece of steel or carbon fiber shell.

So, as usual, everybody has to make a compromise. At least in the world of knives, I'd be willing to bet just about any knife Walmart sells, even if it isn't a good knife, will be a sufficient knife. If one's needs include opening car hoods, chopping bricks, etc, you may be justified in seeking more knife. But if you need a knife to cut stuff, it should be realized that it isn't a very high bar for a knife to pass. Literally, almost any sharpened piece of steel can do this job.

The funny thing is, China hasn't actually hurt the knife market, but expanded it. Places like Walmart have allowed the quality gap to lessen. The result is more products at lower prices. There's a much greater variety of knives available now than 30 years ago, in all range of prices and qualities. This is a good time to be a knife nut.

All those latent socialists hate competitive markets, even when everyone, even those they consider part of their collective, benefit from them.
 
The odd thing about American capitalism is that it encourages a very high degree of innovation in products, but when those products reach the market they are often significantly poorer quality than equivalent European or Japanese products. For example, despite the reverence Americans seem to have for the "US autoworker", US cars are generally far inferior to equivalent German or Japanese models.
 
Hmm...
MvW threads turn into mainly negative discussions,
Dog threads turn into 'ban pit bulls',
and 'Walmart deals' turn into capitalism debates...

You might not like their business practices, but they are doing what they see as the best interests of their corporation within the capitalist framework. Walmart stores everywhere are opposed before opening but they are prosperous after opening because the majority don't care. For most, the pros outweigh the cons - the proof is in the profit. The opposition is disproportionally publicized because those who are vocal on the con side are vehemently so, and the pros are discredited. I'm neither on this one: I buy fly-tying stuff and brand name stuff there, but I wouldn't consider them for a bigger item like a bike. I've found their low quality to be admirably consistent...

Besides, didn't most corporate juggernauts start out as 'mom&pops' ? McDonald's ? Microsoft ? Airlines ? Starbucks ?

Interesting comment about innovation, but I think it boils down to the fact that we are always looking for the best value for money. Unfortunately, this means simple price for most. peole buying a bike at WalMart generally don't know enough about bikes to recognize value (I'm not beating on you about the bike, it's just something I know pretty well) No sour grapes here, my ex would have preferred to have 5 of something cheap and disposable than to have one decent quality user-serviceable item. I think that's the rule, not the exception.
 
Going into a walmart in southern Utah is one of the scariest experiences I've ever had. I try to avoid walmart at all costs. I will admit I have bought some cheap fishing gear from them.

People like cheap stuff, which is exactly what walmart sells. Unfortunately their business practices leave much to be desired.

Yes not only cheap fishing gear, but some times, walmart sells the stuff from the last years deals and go backs. I like the books, fishing gear, last years camping goods, and some of the knives and guns. I tell people, as long as you know what you are buying, and have a good idea of the cost, you can do well for your self. I don't just buy from walmart, but i know a deal when i see one. Your friend at the post Donald S.
 
I was on vacation in DE this past week, and noticed that their Wal-Mart Camping sections were much nicer than ours up here. They had the Sawyer Extractors for like $12
(though I didn't end up buying one), the Magnesium fire starters (US Made, brand unk- again did not buy, already have Doan), and lots of other nice toys. I did end up buying a Spyderco Native, a trifold shovel, and some ammo.
 
Good finds Spooky. Way to stretch that dollar.

When I was first getting into hiking/camping/outdoors stuff, I took my gear choices very seriously. I wanted gear that would last forever, knives included. I feel I've got a stable of top-notch high-end gear that will last. These days I am intersted in seeing what cheaper/less expensive gear can do. I guess my curiosity was fueled by the acquisition of a few Mora knives a number of years ago. Similar to Spooky, I have a set of Coleman trakking poles that are holding up well despite their $10/each price tag. This coming weekend I may leave the tent at home and use a 3 mil plastic sheet instead. My $7 Stansport Stainless steel pot has become a favorite of mine, as has the Pocket Cooker $12 natural fuel stove.

As far as inexpensive packs go, I haven't had as much luck - yet. In the last 3 years I've purchased two affordable military/tactical packs. One I just didn't like after using it a while (gave it away and it is currently being used), and the other just doesn't fit right (I need to alter it somehow).

It is fun to find value in less expensive gear. But as others have mentioned, the quality can be hit or miss.
 
Schucks, that t'aint nuthin'. I could, can, and HAVE taken $40 to a thrift store and come out with $500 worth of gear.

Last week I got:
Timberland down jacket $3.75
LL Bean Trail rain jacket $5.99
Hind polyester base layer long sleeve tee $2.99
Ex Officio convertible pants: $6.99
North Face hiking shorts $2.99
Montrail Namche ultralight hiking boots: $6.99
MSR stainless steel cook pot: $1.99
Leica Mini-Zoom 35mm point and shoot: $4.99
 
I see a lot of Wal-Mart bashing and some of it is deserved, however I must point out that Wal-Mart, in this area is an outstanding corporate citizen. I was part of a group that opened a Red Cross shelter in Moore, OK immediately following the May 3rd Tornado. Even though there was no power, the manager of the store opened the store for us and told us to take what we needed and to make a list of what we (Red Cross) took. And this is not unusual behavior for Wal-Mart.
Compared to Target, who would not allow the USMC toys for tots program to place bins at their doors, while providing financial support for NAMBLA, is the anti-good corporate citizen. So, I don't mind supporting Wal-Mart, and why I don't shop at Target. And before you ask, I have no connection to Wal-Mart, other than as a customer.
 
Maybe Target didn't support toys for tots because they wouldn't accept donations of Jesus dolls.
 
Schucks, that t'aint nuthin'. I could, can, and HAVE taken $40 to a thrift store and come out with $500 worth of gear.

Last week I got:
Timberland down jacket $3.75
LL Bean Trail rain jacket $5.99
Hind polyester base layer long sleeve tee $2.99
Ex Officio convertible pants: $6.99
North Face hiking shorts $2.99
Montrail Namche ultralight hiking boots: $6.99
MSR stainless steel cook pot: $1.99
Leica Mini-Zoom 35mm point and shoot: $4.99

Man, your thrift store is way better than ours. Best I ever got was a $2 1973/4 vintage Smith Corona typewriter- good for filling out 1040's and NFA tax returns.
 
I looked at those trekking poles just the other day in Walmart. Amazing. I leaned on them real hard and they held. Decided not to buy them. Just more junk to add to my garage. I just cut a good stout walking stick hiking or use my monopod while hunting.
 
I looked at those trekking poles just the other day in Walmart. Amazing. I leaned on them real hard and they held. Decided not to buy them. Just more junk to add to my garage. I just cut a good stout walking stick hiking or use my monopod while hunting.

They can't be the same ones that I had from there then. I weigh around 180, and they would flex like crazy with just regular use. The Eddie Bauer ones at Target are the same. It's good to hear that WalMart is selling some better stuff.

And DaleW, I am moving to the Pacific NW. I'd be surprised if the thrift stores around me got anything better than a pair of soiled underwear. I hear the discount clothing stores like Marshall's, TJ Maxx, etc. up there are pretty awesome too.
 
I've been regularly putting as much of my weight as I could onto each individual pole, and haven't had them flex/collapse so far. Guess we'll see!
 
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