what are blood grooves for?

Had to prove you wrong. There is a solid that compresses. We call it ice. The Ice itself can be compressed, and when it melts it becomes more dense. Hence why ice floats in water.

no it doesn't and no that is not why...see below...

no, water expands when it freezes

that's why pipes burst when they freeze. that is also why ice floats. it displaces water, like a boat, not floats on top, like a feather.

Cold Kill. you seem young and enthusiastic about knives. please, though, read more and post less.
 
Ice expands when it freezes. Put a full glass bottle in the freezer and see what happens.

Fluted rifle barrels also cool down faster due to a larger surface area.

Blood grooves are helpful in lightening the blade.
 
They do make it nice for a pinch grip on a larger blade when you want to use the tip or end of the belly for precise cuts - sometimes the object is heavy enough to make it awkward to hold the knife steady and use the object itself to make the slice.
 
...that is also why ice floats. it displaces water, like a boat, not floats on top, like a feather.

LOL ! :rolleyes: Your conflation causes confusion.

ALL matter "displaces" other matter in which it does not simply dissolve, regardless of whether or not it is floating. The rock in the bottom of the pond is displacing a volume of water equal to its own.
Solid H2O (ice) is less dense than an equal mass of liquid H2O due to the way the molecules (must) organize in forming the solid crystaline structure. This is why ice under water floats to the surface when not inhibited by another force, the same reason a balloon full of helium or merely "hot air" rises as it does. This has nothing to do with displacement which is simply a measure of volume, not mass.
A feather placed under water does NOT float to the surface unless sufficient low-density material is trapped within (air, oil, etc.) because the materials of which a feather is composed (like a metal boat) is more dense than water. The feather and boat both float on the surface for the same reason - i.e. the manner in which they displace the water. The molecules of water directly in the path of the force-vector (gravity) of the object being set upon them resist compaction (due to atomic forces) and thus are being forced out of the path of the object instead - HOWEVER there are other objects in the way of their progress, namely other molecules of water or what not trying to keep them in place (or rather out of their particular space). Thus, resistance to displacement involves the combined forces of numerous molecules resisting compression and also inertia (i.e. they refuse to compress and don't want to move either), and for lighter objects their is the cohesive forces involved in "surface tension" as well. Well, once sufficient force is applied to overcome these resistance forces, the water does move (i.e. it is displaced), and in an open-top container the direction of movement is up, a direction resisted by what we call "gravity" (which is also trying to compress & displace the water). Now the end result of this is that an object of materials of greater density can be made to "float" if structured so as to spread its weight (note, not it's mass) over sufficient area (surface molecules) of the less-dense material being displaced such that the force vectors par-out.


WOW, that was convoluted. In summary, ice is less dense than water of equal mass, and displacement is the alternative to compression when sufficient force is applied to accomplish the former. Compression of steel can occur but only where a less dense contaminant exists in the steel, i.e. an "inclusion" of gas.
It is difficult to believe that someone brought up the idea of "compressing" steel in a serious manner...? I thought it was a joke.
And none of this has to do with fullers or "blood grooves". :p

They do make it nice for a pinch grip on a larger blade when you want to use the tip or end of the belly for precise cuts - sometimes the object is heavy enough to make it awkward to hold the knife steady and use the object itself to make the slice.

This is a neat observation, something I have noticed myself - a groove aids in pinch-grip of the blade. Thank you for pointing that out. :thumbup:
 
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Ah, Chiral.Grolim, reminds me of the physics filled debate we had over tantos :thumbup:, what was that like a year ago? I still think I owe you a response to whatever your last post was.
 
Ah, Chiral.Grolim, reminds me of the physics filled debate we had over tantos :thumbup:, what was that like a year ago?
Lol, yeah, was it that long ago already? Geez time flies.

Boats don't float due to surface tension.
You are correct, I have misused the term by generalizing the cohesive (inward) forces involved specifically in describing the phenomenon of "surface tension" with the outward forces that resist compaction and result in pressure against objects attempting to cause displacement... I could not figure out how to cross-out the misuse in my last post so i simply re-worded it. Thank you for the correction.


An object of denser materials will float due to surface tension of the water IFF its mass is distributed over sufficient contact area (with the surface of the water) that its weight is unable to overcome the cohesive forces holding the surface of the water intact - the surface may deform (displacement), but will not "fracture". In effect, the un-fractured surface of the water which deforms around the floating object acts as an extension of the object's "surface contact area", increasing the volume of water which must be displaced in order for the object to sink! It is neat that the effect of surface tension is a "virtual" increase in the contact area of the object with the water.:cool:

If the weight of the object does overcome the forces of surface tension, that "virtual" increase in contact area is lost and the object will sink just as far as the forces involved in displacement of the water will allow.

I either case, "displacement" occurs whenever one bit of matter moves another bit of matter in order to occupy that place ;)
 
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A object floats on water because it, and it's contents, displace a weight of water greater than the weight of the object and it's contents. Good God! Does no one take physics in high school any more? Google "Archimedes" and join the science of the 3rd century BC.
 
Wow I sparked a little too much debate. I mean ice CAN be compressed. I know ice is less dense than water. When it freezes, it expands, thus giving it room to be compressed.
 
No--then it breaks. The bonds formed by the molecules are arranged in a crystalline manner. Naturally formed ice is technically considered a mineral.:)
 
Wow I sparked a little too much debate. I mean ice CAN be compressed. I know ice is less dense than water. When it freezes, it expands, thus giving it room to be compressed.

Ice per se, is not compressed under pressure. It does however undergo a phase change from it's crystalline matrix, to it's liquid form, which can't be compressed either.
 
Give it up dude, ;)

+2 You've lost this one man.


I had always heard that the fuller used on the KaBar was a failed attempt to copy the Marbles Ideal' fuller immediately behind that edge that allowed you to have a thinner edge profile while still having a nice beefy spine. I figured people thought it looked cool and thus the "blood groove" and rambo knives.
 
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