what came first,Buck 110 or Puma game warden?

CJ Buck said:
I know we are supposed to be flattered by knock-offs but I don't really like any of em...the 110 always had a rock solid elegance that did not come accross in the other products.

I am somewhat biased here tho....
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Yeah... I started with a 112 and never had or wanted a K/O. I handled a few but nothing felt like a Buck.
 
I have a Weidmannsheil Damascus that I got 'cause I wanted a Buck 110 Damascus and it was at least half the price of a Buck Damascus.
Nice enuf knife actually.
 
Messersmith said:
Thanks Haebbie. How does the Game Warden compare in price to a 110 in Germany? It seems here in the US that Puma's are twice the price of a 110.
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Knifeschmied, it is not so easy to answer your Question, especially because Puma stopped building the Game Warden some yoears ago. For comparison I took a Puma knife, that is similar to the 110, the Puma Prince. It is offered with stag handle. The lowest price I found in Germany was 100 Euro, that's appx. 130 USD.

The 110 is offered in Germany for 80 Euro, that's 105 USD. Add 30 USD (20 Euro) for the stag handle you come nearly to the same Price for the Puma and the Buck. These is the comparison for Germany, where the Buck is much too expensive.

In The U.S. The Buck is cheaper (you know it I think :-)) ), but also the Puma is cheaper in the States than in Germany (it's crazy, isn't it?).

The Comparison again: The Prince does at Cabelas's 90 USD and the 110 at the Buck coustom shoppe roundabout 100 USD. lower the price somewhat for the "custom" and the two knives may cost the same.

hope that helps would Joe write.
Best,
Haebbie
 
Thanks again Haebbie. It does seem a bit odd that the Puma can be offered cheaper in the US than in Germany.
 
I think the market makes the price. When the germans are silly enough to pay the high prices --- the supplyer takes what he can get.

It is the same with the cars. In the States a German car is cheaper then in Germany. It's crazy I think.

It is better to buy a German Knife in the U.S. pay ware, shipping and taxes. That it is still cheaper then to buy it in Germany :grumpy: :grumpy: :barf:

Best,
Haebbie
 
HOE3 said:
Haebbie,

No sprecken deutche (or something close to that):confused:
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It doesn't matter. A long time ago I learned a wee bit of the English language at school. Can I help you? Otherwise use babelfish, that's too funny.

Best,
Haebbie
 
This thread prompted me to go look at the Puma stag folders at Cabela's again for a closer look-------For $80 and $90 they were just horrible---reminded me of Pakistani junk they sell at the gas station counter---they were that bad.

For that kind of money you can get a lower end Buck Custom with upgraded blade steel----get the Buck and don't look back



OR a Boker titanium/ceramic for $150 that wasn't even sharp----what's up with that?? or am I missing the essence of ceramic??
 
two110's said:
I was sad when I learned the 110's were no longer made with 440C steel. After years of bragging to other hunters of their edge holding abilitys. I know some of those guys know/think I am full of it cause I betcha some of em, on my advice bought the newer 420HC and it just ain't the same.
I wasn't up on things for years, just knew my everyday carry 703 wasn't near the steel my 110 was. Sigh...I am still a big time Buck fan in spite of it.
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if i may put another 2 cents in >>>
i could sharpen the 440c real well :) ...
and i can sharpen the 425 and 420 jest as well
i dont notice that much diffrence in the fine edge...
were i notice the major diffrence is in the diffrence from simi grind to full hollow grind and the edge 2000

i used the simi grind as a tool in cutting condit metal straps at times!
i would not use the full hollow grind that way... not enugh steel at the front of the edge to suport that much pressure...
for hunting and other cutting jobs the full holow works great ! and the edge 2000 IS faster to sharpen and will hold a shaveing edge a tad longer...:thumbup:

so there are diffrences in the buck 110 as it has evolved
many of the changes due to thoes that can not sharpen a knife..
face it some can some cant it is a skill many are not tought any more.:grumpy:
for toughness i recomand the supper steels :thumbup: ...
it is NOT that the 420hc is a not a great steel at all!!!!
it is that other steels have been devloped that are better...
and it still takes meat at the edge to stand up to aubse that many useing a knife as a tool should have :o ...

so every job has a perfict knife for it but
not every knife is perfict for every job :eek:
but the 110 comes closer then any other i know of...;) :D
 
Originally posted by omaha-beenglockin
This thread prompted me to go look at the Puma stag folders at Cabela's again for a closer look-------For $80 and $90 they were just horrible---reminded me of Pakistani junk they sell at the gas station counter---they were that bad.

For that kind of money you can get a lower end Buck Custom with upgraded blade steel----get the Buck and don't look back



OR a Boker titanium/ceramic for $150 that wasn't even sharp----what's up with that?? or am I missing the essence of ceramic??
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I couldn't agree more about the pumas,the first one I ever handles was a military series I bought for my father,it was a great knife,so I ordered one of the stag handled ones thinking it would be even better.When I recieved it it was rough and generally cheap feeling,and after opining and closing it a dozen times the spring fell out.I returned that one tried a sargent,it had an eight of an inch back play in the blade,and the handle stuck out way farther on one side,if you set the knife down on it's back it would almost fall over.I tried a couple more out of curiosity,with similar results.I may be the only one but no more pumas for me!:thumbdn: :thumbdn:
 
Originally posted by Buck 110
I've got to ask how the spring fell out without the entire knife falling apart. In order for the spring to fall out, one of several things would have to happen prior. The blade pivot coming out and allowing the blade to drop out of the frame and allowing the rocker bar to swing upward would be one way. The rocker bar rivet coming out, and allowing the rocker bar to completely fall out would be another. And lastly, the spacer(spring holder) falling out from between the rear bolsters would be the other. You mentioned the stag scaled knife not being up snuff. Despite the stag being ugly, rough, or poorly matched, the spring falling out of the knife would not hinge on the fact that it did or did not have stag scales.
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Your right,the fact that it had stag handles had nothing to do with the knife coming apart!and actually the stag wasn't bad at all,for the $.Although the stag model I had was made slightly different than the others I have owned(military series).It had a flat spring rather than the round one found on the military series and Bucks.The rocker bar and the pivot were still intact,but the spring DID come out!Im not sure if it was just weak or a loose fit,it didn't apear broken.My guess is that it wasn't seated properly in the first place or that a bad heat treat alowed it to bend enough for it to slide out.

Others may have had great luck with them,and I know they have made some great knives.But I have had bad luck with most of them,to the point that I have no intention of ever buying another!
 
Say Yeah Guy's,
I just bought a Puma Warden with the saw combo because I needed a saw for some traps I make when bushcrafting, I was very reluctant when I found out it was made in 440a stainless steel. The German's seem to make good steel, not that its different but their quality control is excellent even if it's supervised in China for cost factor.I was going to get the Leathern Charge with S30V but only the man blade is that steel the rest is 420HC, I don't is the knife all day long as my primary blade, just when I need a sharp angle or keeping something clean and straight. Let me tell you fella's it's a great knife, it is assembled in China but with Solingen steel.I'm glad I made that dissision and after using it I sort of laugh at guy's knocking the new Pump knives, obviously they either don't have one or never used one new that is. People scared me when they said bring a sharpener with you nonsense, it how's up well and all I do is touch it up for the next trip. I hope this helps someone it's a great knife. And Buck made theirs from 440 too the old ones.
Paul'ie
 
Say Yeah Guy's,
I just bought a Puma Warden with the saw combo because I needed a saw for some traps I make when bushcrafting, I was very reluctant when I found out it was made in 440a stainless steel. The German's seem to make good steel, not that its different but their quality control is excellent even if it's supervised in China for cost factor.I was going to get the Leathern Charge with S30V but only the man blade is that steel the rest is 420HC, I don't is the knife all day long as my primary blade, just when I need a sharp angle or keeping something clean and straight. Let me tell you fella's it's a great knife, it is assembled in China but with Solingen steel.I'm glad I made that dissision and after using it I sort of laugh at guy's knocking the new Pump knives, obviously they either don't have one or never used one new that is. People scared me when they said bring a sharpener with you nonsense, it how's up well and all I do is touch it up for the next trip. I hope this helps someone it's a great knife. And Buck made theirs from 440 too the old ones.
Paul'ie
 
Say Heah Guy's
P.S. I have to apologize for the mispell's it's this darn spell check, it print's word's I don't want to use,I guess I should proof read my post's and I didn't. anyhow one big factor I went with the Puma Warden was the main tool's I want to use are much bigger then a tool that has more tool's on it, the knife is larger and the saw is too, actually the saw is very aggrasive and will saw through wood very easily and the knife blade is just the right size too. as far as the knife, I got the bone handle and the tool's of the knife are perfect even the blade's are centered nicely right in the middle of their slot's. Tool's great guy's,if you do what I do you too would appreciate this Puma Warden.
Paul'ie
 
I don't think you are biased,even though you are the boss LOL,I do think you are right ,I've had them all when i was a kid,all we could afford was knock offs,even the lb7 wasn't near the buck 110 quality level.My favorite knock off was the lb7,it held an edge,but not nearly as well as a 110.The pumas are now manufactured overseas with german blades,i think assembled in Asia.The fit and finish on a new 110 greatly surpasses the best knock off out there !
 
rhino said:
The Schrade versions were nice, especially the Old Timer with the carbon steel blade.
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^^^^ THIS ^^^^

I love carbon steel. I don't understand why Buck start a series of the classic knives in 1095. Content to concede the high end traditional carbon steel to GEC and the like?
 
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