What defines a fighter?

What defines a fighter is going to be a completely relativistic, not to mention semantic, question. When you get right down to it, a guy can call anything he wants a "fighter", even if it has no true potential, as with fantasy/art knives.

At its most basic level, it's a knife that, well, one can fight with. This can range from a nail file, to a butcher knife, to a khukri, et al.

For functional fighting knives, the design is going to depend on the style being used as well.

As to the subject of guards, once again, this has to do with style and personal preference. I find it interesting that styles which are slash-heavy, such as most Asian styles and Finnish knife fighting, promote blades with minimal or non-existent guards. Always seemed a bit contradictory to me, since slashes are what a guard is, in theory, going to protect your hand from. Then again, perhaps because they rely so much on slashing they know something about the futility of a guard that we do not.

That's a bold speculation, considering European swords progressed the evolution of the guard right up until edged weapons became almost irrelevant.

When talking about modern, Western fighters, Bowie DNA seems to be the common denominator, and even the guards on these beasts run the gamut. Some of the more ostentatious guards may have been based on theory and the province of city slickers, but I know of at least one authority of repute who swears he can make them work, every time. That is, for their intended function of catching/turning/disarming blades. That's a bit beyond my skill set, and I'm happy with a guard that offers some small degree of protection, keeps my hand from slipping forward during a heavy thrust, and doesn't snag on clothing or equipment.

To this end, and for my individual purposes and tastes, this is my defining fighter.

Rob Patton/Kasper Grande. 8" blade, L6, nickle silver, G10.
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Does anyone remember, or have any images of:), Don's(DH3) guardless fighters. :confused:
IIRC, one was in stag.
Don ? Joe ?

Doug

Thinking of this one, Doug? (Yes, I know it's mammoth :-) ) He has made a few with interior mammoth, also. Probably more of a cutter design, but we have been all over the place with fighter 'limits'. Or, were you thinking of another?

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This is closer to a DH III guardless fighter:


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- Joe
 
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Thanks Joe, that was one of them(top pic).
The one I was thinking of was one of Don's Available knives if you are on his mailing list, if that helps any.
Maybe Don can solve the riddle. :)

Doug
 
Couple more guardless Hansons for you Doug. Not sure whether Don classifies these as fighters or not.

I classify them as freakin' gorgeous.

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Roger
 
Great post H2H907. :thumbup:

Since guardless and DH3 has come into fashion in the past few posts, I am reminded of another one.... ;)

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(It's getting another sheath as we speak, BTW. I have one already, but I wished for a different look.)

Coop
 
Doug, probably the stag piece Roger posted.

A fighter is the knife you have with you when you happen to get into a knife fight :D
 
I'm glad you finally settled that Don. :thumbup:

That's about as nice amber stag as one could hope to find.
Absolutely beautiful knife.
 
What set's a fighter apart for me is the guard. If there's not a very good guard against sliding up on the frame, it's not a fighter. After that you look to sturdiness, a good point and a good slash.

Using a photo of two folders I have handy, the Sebenza is not a fighter, while the Cuda Dominator is.

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I agree that this is a personal and cultural choice that can vary greatly. I studied martial arts for a large portion of my life and got a lot of different answers to that question along the way. So I decided that it was up to me to figure out what works for me. This has led me to several favorites along the way. I think balance and speed are very important, extreme sharpness is mandatory (I never use a SD fighter for work tasks so that it always stays keen), and quality must be there. Most of the time I like a double edge or partially sharp back edge and it has to have a positive grip.

The sheath and how you carry it is also pretty important, it has to be accessible and quick to draw safely.

And I don't think a folder qualifies as a fighter except as a last choice.

As to the guard I like them to keep my hand away from my blade, not for any defensive purpose.

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You got that right Paul!

As far as all fantasy, the first knife pictured has already taken, well,- "done its' job" twice in theater. "Quiet Paul. No body has a need to know the owner." I understand it has taken 1.5 so far. You figure it out. It was back home for a few weeks. It may very well be in country again. Many of you may remember, it was delivered just a few months ago.

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Yeah, I know, the knife rag's say that there has been only one kill with a Knife in our latest war. Well there was one in Desert Storm that I know of. They just don't know about it!

There have been several in the latest two wars. Way more than you would think, or will ever be told about. There are advantages being a Knife Maker out side the gates of the largest Military base in the "Free World". You have interesting friends. And more inside info than authorized.Lol!!!

The big Knife Digest book last year listed these as hunters. All the while I thought they were
Fighters. Or at least that was what I made them to be. Oh, well. At least they Look like Fighters!

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May be with any luck the writers would at least consider these Fighters.

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[/IMG] Can a Knife be a fighter without a guard. Well I much prefer one, but it isn't always the case. For instance when deep cover is needed in a City type environment. Such as the NY Special and Hide out. The very thing Robert Loveless designed them for. If I didn't think they had a place, I wouldn't have included them in the Lovett-Loveless connection Knives.

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Possibly not Ideal fighters, but better than a sharp stick!

Personally I prefer a good 1911 in .45.

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Roger, I really like that Dan Farr chute knife.
Always remember what they call the person in the emergency room following a knife fight... The winner. The other guy is often in the box.
The best way to win a knife fight is to not be there. If I had the time, I'd look for a shovel handle to use before using a knife against a knife in a fight.
For defensive purposes a guard should extend past the knuckles and the back of the hand. Your knife can then turned so the two knives are edge-on to each other, at an angle, like forming a "X" point forward or towards the attack. His edge slides down your edge to the guard and is stopped. In theory. I think that counter-cutting at an angle to the attackers hand/wrist is better than a static block. Unless you have armor :-)
My hobbies and other interests shape the types of knives I like. I fence (37 years), hit people with sticks (SCA for 30 years), and like to shoot and hunt. Fencing gives me an appreciation of the dagger-like knives. The hard contact of baton fighting in the SCA shows me the usefulness of "choppers".
My best to all,

Dino in Reno
 
vjb - that's a nice lineup - the Camerer is particularly appealing. Putting thought into what features work best for YOU is what it's all about.

Mike - hunters? That's hilarious. I can't imagine clearer examples of fighting knives.

Dino - thanks - I really like that Farr knife and was glad to have an excuse to take it out and play with it. Good info all around. Liked your comment on the shovel handle. The success of staff over blade has some famous historical precedents.

Roger
 
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