What do forumites think about non-metallic knives?

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I'm curious... I've recently been going back into working with non-metallics (carbon fiber/G-10) to make knives... and I've been wondering...
What does the general knife enthusiast population think about these blades?

Good or Bad?

Should they be restricted, LEO & Military only? Or should civillians be able to have them?

Is making them/selling them right, or wrong?

What do you think about them?
 
I don't particularly like the thought of criminals sneaking them into areas where law abiding citizens can't carry their own knives...an airplane comes to mind...

However, if everyone was allowed to carry knives, then I would be a little less paranoid.
 
I would really like a Blackie Collins Letter Opener. It is non-metallic except for the assisted opening spring.Made from some type of glass impregnated polymer resin.It claims to be "non magnetic"
 
I'm against any restrictions to the RKBA, so I am against any laws against non-metalic knives.

If a company chooses to sell only to LEOs that is their choice, though for this to be fair it should be legal for people to have absolute freedom to do business with whom they choose, such as selling or not selling to whoever they want, such as someone selling to everyone but cops. If we need a "legitimate" use to own one, just what "legitimate" use do LEOs have for these things? Unless they are undercover they would have a permit to carry weapons into restricted areas if they are authorized, and if they are not authorized why should they be doing it?

As far as the knives themselves go, I don't really like them all that much. I have seen some for sale that the dealer was whittleing with and he told me he skinned a deer with it, so there may be useful synthetic knives out there.
 
There's been a good handful of times when I've wished I've owned one.

While I kinda agree with that dude who's too smart for us, that gets tempered by the previous line.
 
I don't see any problems with making them, The bad guys are gonna use what they want legal or not.
 
Well, i already own some "plastic-knives"
they are bad for cutting and so-so for stubbing,

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But the nicest one i got has a blade from flintstone with a wooden handle!!!
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Sorry, just curious, but how about that one at a Airport security ?????






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Originally posted by im2smrt4u
I don't particularly like the thought of criminals sneaking them into areas where law abiding citizens can't carry their own knives...an airplane comes to mind...

However, if everyone was allowed to carry knives, then I would be a little less paranoid.


Very true, I think it should be our right to carry any knife we want. And yes I believe there would be far less crime because everyone would beable to carry them so the crimminals wouldn't know if you had one or not..;)
 
Originally posted by ThePsychologist
I would really like a Blackie Collins Letter Opener. It is non-metallic except for the assisted opening spring.Made from some type of glass impregnated polymer resin.It claims to be "non magnetic"
I had one of these. The assisted opening worked great! The blade would leap into the open position with great force once I started to thumb the blade open. As for it being non magnetic, I didn't feel it was a good idea to test it by trying to walk into an airport or courthouse!

I will say this though. The spring in that thing is fairly substancial. I believe it was supposed to be made of berylium. I have no idea what the properties of this metal are. The one problem I had with the knife is it has a huge amount of blade wobble in the open position. I think its a fun as a letter opener and a great conversation piece, but I don't think I'd trust it in a self defense type situation.

Bruise
 
was a good letter opener that aspired to be a covert ops dagger. Neat, but not any more useful in my day to day life than a good old fashioned steel blade. That being said, I think there is potential. It it possible that some day a clever chap could come up with a synthetic blade that could go toe to toe with steel. A light sharp blade that would never ever rust. Maybe even never need to be lubricated. In any color. For pennies on the dollar. Who would have guessed a mere twenty years ago records and tapes would be replaced by CDs and MP3s? Will steel become obsolete in my lifetime? I doubt it, but I wouldn't say it could never happen. Would I rush out and buy such a blade? Maybe. Would there be a line of technophiles who had to have the newest thing? Oh, yeah. Is it wrong? No. We should always strive to make something better. For myself, I'll stick to what's been proven to work. Rant over.

Frank
 
A buddy of mine and I looked at the Blackie Collins at a gunshow today. I was mighty impressed with it. The spring is Copper Berylium and is (Supposedly) non-magnetic as well. My friend does the kind of work that I and everyone else who knows him, knows better than to ask too much about. He bought three. Hmmm.
Doc
 
since metal is best knife material for a knife the best reasons for a non-metalic knife would be to out wit cops, security, and the amry. These people are generally there to protect us so I see no reason to hide the truth from them. Beside you wouldn't have a problem getting a spydercard pass security, since its in your wallet, You could just throw it in the tray with your car keys and change to get through the metal detector, but I don't recommend it.
 
i have a G10 (i think) executive letter opener i bought years ago for $5, have only used it for.......opening envelopes!! no other real uses i dont think....

on the other hand, bought an executive ice scraper at the same time, made of same stuff, kinda looks like a set of knucks, w/a sharp edge, but the BEST ice scraper ever - gave one to my uncle in WAYYY north texas and he used his for years also. loved it!! prob not legal though, if uncle bob woulda got busted, i hate to think what woulda happened to me, lol- but honestly, the best ice scraper EVER!!!!!!

greg
 
While we're kind of on the topic, what about obsidian? Isn't obsidian still used because its capable of being sharper than steel? How does one even go about making a real knife out of this stuff? I've looked on ebay and found a bunch but they're all extremely crude. And being a form of glass, its about as non-magnetic as it gets.

A side question. I had an incident the other day when I went to a court house and left everything I was carrying in the car exept for wallet and keys because I know they're anal about phones and obviously weapons. Anyways, I put my key chain in the little basket and go through metal detector. Well, there are about 3 security people there and the first one picks up my keychain and immediately graps the swiss army classic on it and looks it over. Says some words to his comrades, then passes it down to the next guy. Finally, it got to the guy at the end and he said "Where are you going?". I told him. He said "Make sure you keep this in your pocket". I said "....sure".

Tell you what, if someone ever threatens me with a 1.25" flimsy SAK blade, he'll end up eating it. Giving me grief about that tiny SAK was rediculous.

My side question is this: How obvious is a Swiss Utili-Key to a casual glance? And how useful is it? I might just switch to something like this so I don't have to take my SAK off the keychain every time I go in the courthouse.

Thanks.

Mark
 
Originally posted by SIFU1A
i have a G10 (i think) executive letter opener i bought years ago for $5, have only used it for.......opening envelopes!! no other real uses i dont think....
greg

That material isnt G-10. Its zytel or similar. G-10 is much more dense, and much tougher.


Originally posted by Minjin
While we're kind of on the topic, what about obsidian? Isn't obsidian still used because its capable of being sharper than steel? How does one even go about making a real knife out of this stuff? I've looked on ebay and found a bunch but they're all extremely crude. And being a form of glass, its about as non-magnetic as it gets.

An obsidian blade is capable of having an edge that cuts on the molecular level. (Think about that for a minute... its just like it sounds).
I wouldnt think it would be possible to grind it to have such an edge, but the traditional method of making an obsidian knife is to knap it.
This is the same process native americans would have used, and very often using the same tools.
When the obsidian piece is struck with the "hammer" (harder stone, in a desirable shape... also sometimes a piece of antler, altho I've never seen it used too much) a flake comes off.
Think about when you shoot a pane of glass with a BB gun. and sometimes a nice little conical piece of glass pops out the back side where the BB hit. Very similar with the obsidian flake, acepts its only like half that little conical glass piece.
A good knapper knows what part of his obsidian chunk to hit, to knock off the desired flakes.
Its a matter of simply shipping away what isnt needed, and making sure the edges of the blade/arrowhead are all chipped down as thin as they can be. Chips around the edge are knocked off, sheered off almost, and whats left is that molecule thin cutting edge.

Obsidian surgical blades (scalpels) are being used now days, but I dont know how they make them. I've been told the two doctors who came up with the idea made their own the first time, for a surgery one of them was about to go through. I'd assume any done "mass production" would be made with fine fine glass cutting tools, capable of machining obsidian down to that same thin edge.
It'd have to be really fine machinery though, as I am pretty sure you couldnt do it on a regular grinder.

:p hopefully that made sense... its been a really long time (5 years) since I was at a Flint-Knapping demonstration... and had a chance to talk about this stuff with an expert.

I have a beautiful spear head one of the knappers made for me, out of red and black obsidian. (Yes, its two coloured, red and black, beautiful stuff. but wont scan worth a crap, so I dont have any pics of it... dount I could get any to do it justice.)
Someday I'd like to find someone who was really good at traditional knapping methods, and have them make me a stag-handled drop point out of red and black obsidian like that, with a fringed leather sheath, with turquoise, and red coral bead work.
 
I'm going to have to bring up neil stephenson's Snow Crash here, and the story of a character named Raven who fought using disposable knives made from knapped industrial glass...

I've never been able to knapp industrial glass without the damn thing breaking into unusable fragments. Maybe I'm using the wrong type of rock to knapp it with...

oh and if you want to buy an obsidian scalpel swing past Fine Science Tools:

http://www.finescience.com/fst/ScalpelsKnives/10110-01.html
 
Other than obsidian and some ceramic blades, I don't like non-metalic knives at all. They are Ok for light cutting, but once they dull it is not an easy chore getting them sharp again. Most people don't even bother trying, so they end up with these useless knives sitting in a drawer or box.

These fiberglass, G-10 and carbon fiber knives don't appeal to me looks wise either. I like the look of steel on a knife. Black coatings don't have any real appeal to me either.

Edited to add.

I do believe that the use of these knives should not be restricted to police and military personel. I don't agree with this when it comes to automatic knives either.
 
I believe they are now a felony to possess in Kalifornia.

I didn't know that we were having a big problem with them.

The Zytel knives are nearly worthless. They don't hold a good edge, and are basically only for stabbing. Had a few in another state; fun toys, but not all that valuable. A sharp pencil could probably be just as effective.

As for the CF and G-10 ones - I suppose they have some value. They hold a decent edge.. for a short time. They are very concealable.

They are an interesting novelty item. Not useful at all for utility. A cheap 420J2 knife is probably better overall.

I see no reason to restrict them to LEO's and the military. Yes, they can get past metal detectors. So can pepper spray, and a lot of "weapons" that may be more effective. Most areas that have metal detectors also have armed guards - such as airports, court houses, etc. The sight of a "knife" in most of these areas will probably get you arrested, if not shot.

Eventually, some crazy probably will make headlines with one. Honestly though, in today's world, that can be said about virtually any product. The rule of today is: blame the product and company, not the person. Only those with money can be held accountable for their actions.

How far do we really need to go to "protect" people from the "extreme danger" of non-metallic knives?

IMHO, it's not the knives the people need protection from.

-- Rob
 
Originally posted by HotSwat
since metal is best knife material for a knife the best reasons for a non-metalic knife would be to out wit cops, security, and the amry. These people are generally there to protect us so I see no reason to hide the truth from them. Beside I never have a problem getting my spydiecard pass security, since its in wallet, I just throw it in with my car keys and change when I go through the metal detector.
If you see no reason to "out wit" the authorities then take that spydie out of your wallet the next time you go through security hypocrite.
 
Originally posted by Benjamin Liu
If we need a "legitimate" use to own one, just what "legitimate" use do LEOs have for these things? Unless they are undercover they would have a permit to carry weapons into restricted areas if they are authorized, and if they are not authorized why should they be doing it?

I am a Vice Detective with a large metropolitan police department. As such I work undercover primarily dealing with prostitution, gambling, liquor enforcement in an undercover capacity. I have been contemplating the purchase of a non metalic knife for the following reasons. In my situation many of the bars and clubs we do checks at are now using either walk through metal detectors or the portable wand type.
While I could "badge out" and get my whole arsenal into these places they would now know that the police were inside and they would be on their best behavior. The other thing I am hearing now from our narcotics people is the some of the sellers are using the portable metal detectors to check if the buyer has a gun (I guess knife could fit here as well) or a badge.

These are two examples of why I would need to use a non metallic. The only problem is that there really are only two makers that come to mind on quality non metallic and you pay dearly for them. Busse(no longer in production) and M-D Labs (I think their non metallics are out of production as well).

BTW-Does anyone know where to get those titanium pencils?-not really pencils but appear to be.

Be safe,

KS
 
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