What do forumites think about non-metallic knives?

I did make an exception for undercover work. I don't see why a traffic cop has any more reason to have a non metalic blade than any other person. I also don't think a "need" should have anything to do with the right to purchase and carry. It is just that it is strange that people make exceptions for police officers even if the tools are not really neccessary for their jobs.

Newt Livesay makes a carbon fiber knife called the NRG for under $30.00 IIRC. Ititanium knives are not really an option now since modern metal detectors can spot them. It might work to cut a knife out of ceramic tile and put an edge on it. The Busse knife is available Shomer-Tech but IMO both that knife and the MD one will be associated with cops so it might not be a good idea to carry one if you get frisked. The more common ones will be easier to explain.
 
Originally posted by BigDeeeeeeee
If you see no reason to "out wit" the authorities then take that spydie out of your wallet the next time you go through security hypocrite.

Hey a$$hole I am here to talk about knives. Don't insult me or my opinion. My spyderco is not designed for specific purpose of breaking the law. Besides I usally put my pocket knife in the tray with my change too. Don't take offence or call me names. You would know better if we were standing face to face. I am not sneak, a traitor, a liar or a thief. This covert stuff is useless to me and the rest of you, don't take that James Bond stuff seriosly
 
I know that titanium will be picked up by some of the newer metal detectors. I am looking for those titanium pencils as they would make a great stylus for my palm pilot ;) . I probably wouldn't even be questioned about it.

BL- Thanks for the tip on the Livesay NRG. It looks like it is made out of linen micarta. The price is definately right.
Any thought regarding the Stealth Hawk being more durable?

KS
 
I don't have a Stealth Hawk but my guess is that it is more durable since the NRG can snap inside a person. The Stealth Hawk would probably be the choice over the Mad Dog since it is not a police-only blade. I also think that there is a G-10 LaGriffe. There are smaller makers to look at. IIRC, there are some threads on www.selfdefenseforums.com on these knives. Some of the people on that board are makers themselves and might be able to come up with what you want.
 
Originally posted by HotSwat
Hey a$$hole I am here to talk about knives. Don't insult me or my opinion. My spyderco is not designed for specific purpose of breaking the law. Besides I usally put my pocket knife in the tray with my change too. Don't take offence or call me names. You would know better if we were standing face to face. I am not sneak, a traitor, a liar or a thief. This covert stuff is useless to me and the rest of you, don't take that James Bond stuff seriosly
I geuss the truth hurts. If you stop being a hypocrite, I will refrain from bringing it to your attention. In one sentence in your previous post, you tell us that you see no reason to hide the truth from the authorities, then in the next sentence you tell us how you never have a problem sneaking a knife past security. You see no reason for the rest of us to do it but it's OK for you, HYPOCRICY. :barf:
 
big dee your entitled to your opinion, just cut out the name calling. I will edit my post to clear up your confusion. No hard feelings.
 
Lot of interesting opinions... cool to see.

I have no problem with non-metallic blades myself. I think they are neat, and have their applications, even if you are a civillian.
I've encountered private business that had metal detectors, that I felt was sorta a slap in my face... and I know of others who think like me.
I wouldnt try to take one into a bar or an airport or a court-house, but still I think for civvies they have appliactions... beyond a 007 factor.

I prefer steel, always... and wouldnt give up the ability to carry it when I can.

I think that really, a non-metallic is a weapon (or a gadget/toy, for opening letters), and as a weapon, to be effective a non-metallic has to be designed to maximize its ability to damage flesh.
Two routes, simple stabbing/termination capabilities, stabbing designs (the Cold Steel Delta Dart of the A.G. Russell CIA Letter Opener come to mind), probably single use tools... but if they save your ass they save your ass. Features like re-inforced points, or dagger type blades, or tri-ground blades, are all possibilities on this... stabbing is stabbing, and many different methods of making a tool for it can be employed, but the basic is something that will poke into flesh with ease, but not break in the middle of the fight.
And the second route is tearing and stabbing ability. This would be a design like a hawk-bill, probably with serrations... shape and serrations making the most of its ability to demage flesh, but still stab capable if made right. This is trickier, to design and make, but once you figure it out, isnt hard... hawkbills, curves, hooks, serrations, etc. Nothing too radical though, nothing that could hang up and get stuck.

I preffer carbon fiber, owning Zytel blades and using two types of phenolic (G-10, Micarta, Tex-Tuff are all Phenolic materials), I've found that I think I like carbon fiber the best. I dunno if it uses phenolic resin or not... prolly. But what makes it the best I think, is that because of the fibers, when you grind a cutting edge on it, tiny fibers seperate and create a type of micro-serration. Its capable of making very clean cuts in thin paper, with little effort... and is easily touched up with an emery board, or a bit of sand-paper. (I preffer an emery board for stiffness).
Of course, it wont hold that edge like steel, not hardly... but for a weapon it'd work long enough. Especially if its more than capable of stabbing as well as slashing.

I think a good cross between both, is the best way to go, a ripping/tearing/cutting design, that you can also poke a lot of holes with.

I dont think non-metallics are things people have to try and "out-wit" the authorities... I think that even for civillians, we can encounter situational differences, that require different measures.
I dont question the man who carries two guns, even though I might carry one. If he needs two, then who am I to question that need?
There have been times I needed a really big stick... and even though I know people who dont feel a cane is a good weapon, they;ve never questioned that when I needed it, I needed it.

And as was said... the criminal element will always have weapons, and often times will have figured things out before we do. I think their learning curve when it comes to methods of fighting and doing bodily harm, is ahead of ours anyway.
 
It would appear to me that the only reason for a non-metallic knife is to circumvent metal detection devices. It also seems to me that metal detection devices are used in an attempt to disarm people in public gatherings. Now if you're frequenting biker bars (not to dog Bikers but only to make a point) where it's handy to have a weapon to protect yourself then a non-detectable weapon would come in handy. Anywhere else and I wonder about the need.

If you can "sneak" a non-metallic knife in then so can anyone. If you're a good guy, no sweat. If you aren't, bad news.

As a good friend once told me, anything can make a good weapon. When he flies he always carries a good solid pen. He laughs about security
taking a nail file while he plops his 6 inch dagger like steel pen into the tray.

Anyway, to me, other than the "under cover" situation presented, I see no good reason for a non-metallic knife.
 
never tried one. personally, whether they are banned or not doesnt really concern me. i have no use for a non metallic/magnetic knife (wont be disarming any mines in the near future i think).

i guess i would be against the government trying to restrict what people can own (within reason, i dont think allowing people to culture dangerous microbes is a good idea, or nuclear weapons). but for something like a piece of plastic, not really a big deal. theres no use in self defence, theres no utility purpose.

Daniel
 
Banning non-metalic knives would be really stupid!

I have a nice collection of Boker ceramic kitcken knives and they are terrific. The cut vegetables and fruit like crazy and they don't give the food a metalic taste. They also stay incredibly sharp, nearly forever--just don't chip the blade on bones and such.
Banning such knives would instantly make me a criminal.

And what about all the plastic knives used in fast food joints? Should they be banned too?

How would this fight terrorism or make the world a safer place?

When it comes to knives (and firearms), it's the person holding it that should be held responsible for their actions.
Banning something because it MIGHT be used as a weapon on a plane is simply useless "feel good" crap that only limits the rights of law abiding citizens.
Criminals don't care if something is banned or not, and they will still manage to get their hands on the product.
Crack is banned and criminals have no problem getting plenty of that.

Allen.
 
There is a BFC member here that has a picture of a knife he made out of carbon Fiber on his website. I forget who it was, but it had a dull oarnge handle I believe. I was an awesome looking knife.
 

I know this is an old thread but I am very surprised at a lot of people’s opinions about non-metallic blades. I performed a search on this to see if there were any materials that people thought would replace steel in knife making in the future, not to get past metal detectors. The fact is that obsidian can have a sharper edge and that ceramics are being developed that are stronger than steel.

I wonder what the arguments were when people were moving from bronze to iron?
 
Hey Guys....

Before I will do a ZMS (Zero Metallic Signiture) rig some anyone, they need to send a copy of their ID...

I'll do them for any professional Police, Military, EMS or G-ment agency,,but generally won't do them for the general public.

I sleep a little better a night because of it...

I've got a few rigs out there that I regret doing, and won't do it again.

Just my way of doing things..

ttyle

Eric...
 
Normark, I have similar sentiments. I am selling Mad Dog Operators and somehow want to know they will be bought by responsible individuals. That's why I am limiting them to this site and hopefully will go to a long-standing forum member.

The MIrage X line is especially suitable for people in EOD, underwater demolitions, hazardous material disposal, police raids on drug labs and anyone who wants or needs a knife that will hold it’s edge for an extremely long time. The ceramic is like no other - it's specially forumated and is harder than diamonds on the Moh's scale. (I don't know about Larry or Curley's scale, though ;) )

They don't conduct electricity and are impervious to salt water, sulfuric acid, hydrochloric acid, chlorine, pure oxygen, ozone, lye, ammonia and any solvent.

I use them expressly for what a prior poster said - casual use in instances when I visit some protected skyscrapers in NY during the course of business and wish to have some personal protection as I normally would. The fact that these knives are tough and have edges that last are whipped cream on the cake.
 

So does anyone see ceramic or another material replacing steel in high-end knives at any time in the near future?

Diamonds are hard but they are brittle, I think ceramics will be/are stronger.
 
I don't think ceramics will ever replace steel, maybe anther metal, but not ceramics. They are brittle a pain to sharpen and have few advantages than disadvantages, Steel cam be made in so many different ways, from being super stain resistant to being easy to sharpen, to holding an edge for a long time to being flexible. I think that steel is the best, As for obsidian having a sharper edge, that’s fine, but would you want to cut wood with an obsidian knife? How about rope? What about self-defense, would you want something that’s supper sharp for cutting these things? Or something that is sharp, resilient, and dependable? Answer that for me.
 
they'll be practical for EDC. As technology advances we could end up seeing something simlar to the plasteel in Dune. Light weight, rust proof, cheaper than steel, different colors. Who knows. For now they seem to fall into three categories. Native looking knapped obsidian, ceramic kitchen knives and the spy blade. Think of how far Zytel, Micarta and carbon fiber have come in handles.

Frank
 
Originally posted by <?>

So does anyone see ceramic or another material replacing steel in high-end knives at any time in the near future?

Diamonds are hard but they are brittle, I think ceramics will be/are stronger.

Titanium with micron size carbide crystals embedded into the material.

Molecular Oxide Vapor Deposition,(MOCVD), or E-Beams.

Warren Thomas already uses laminated Caron Fiber and VG10 steel bonded together to make light, rigid, blade.
 
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