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tallpaul

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Hi all, I have a situation involving a purchase here on the forums.... I sent x number of dollars for two knives, one of them being a Benchmade model 42.... after some delays which can happen ... two knives show up one which was expected and instead of a BM 42 there was a BM Nimvarus cub (ats 34 blade)...
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now I was a little confused but thought I would e-mail and see... well seems that the 42 was "lost" and this was a "hostage" till the 42 could be found... no big deal I kinda felt sorry for the guy until the e-mail came that said something to the effect "sell the cub and keep the money"... well I can do with a cub but there is a difference in the price between a cub and a Model 42 so I e-mail the guy askin for a check for the difference and have not gotten a reply for a week....I mean its been about a month, I thought I had been more than reasonable. Now I don't think I need a postal service fraud investigation (paid for with a Postal M.O)but I am getting a little annoyed, I was tryin to let the guy make good because he is a "young" member and with youth mistakes can and usually do happen, and I WAS young once...
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Now What? I really hate to trash a "kid" but how does one "salvage" this guy and maybe teach him without being a total nazi ?

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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
edited to spell nazi, I am still not sure its correct....



[This message has been edited by tallpaul (edited 06-01-2001).]
 
I feel your pain! Even those older forumites seem to throw some catch 22's at us lately! I have experienced things like being told it was "Hand Forged" when it was a stock removal job and "All of my knives are new in box" when it comes to me dull and missing the pouch. I guess you have to take the good with the bad but somefolks descriptions are somewhat different from mine.I will have to say that I have more straight up deals on here than the shady kind.As far as your situation goes, You should demand another knife or money for compensation or you need to leave some sort of feeback on here to warn other people that the kid doesn't stand behind his word. Hope you get it worked out --

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"A six blade Knife will do anything for you"-Dire Straits
 
Well,I would think that if he couldn't find the BM-42,the proper procedure would be to e-mail you to ask how you would like to handle the situation.I would say that if he doesn't have the BM-42 then you offer an amount for the one knife he did have and ask for him to return the difference and you return the Cub.However;this kid just sent you another knife without your knowledge.Then you have to e-mail him to find out why?Young kid or not,he needs to find out swiftly,and firmly,that we do not do business in that manner here.I would suggest to you,that you e-mail him again.In the e-mail tell him what he has done is fraudulant,and he needs to sell the Cub himself.Tell him to send you the difference and you will ship him back the BM Cub.If that does not give you results,report him to the Postal Service for Fraud.Also please keep us updated,and if things do not get resolved very soon,post his name/info.Good Luck,Ralph

[This message has been edited by TOMBSTONE (edited 06-01-2001).]
 
Though this kid(if that's what he is) may be only guilty of some bad judgement, you must stop him now.He has found the forums,apparently, and some of the "kids" we have dealt with in the past have been plenty psycho!You need to return the Cub (unless you really want it-I love mine)and demand repayment immediately for the balance. If you keep the Cub,Make him pony up the difference immediately. I deal with "kids" daily as a LEO, so I am prejudiced, but many of them know precisely what they are doing, and rely upon the good nature of the rest of us to enable them to steal or carry out their plans. When caught, someone ALWAYS says, "He's just a kid. Maybe we need to give him a break".By age 13 or 14, he knows all he needs to know. Before the flames begin, please realize that I am only talking about the ones I come in contact with as a street cop. Certainly, yours and mine wouldn't do anything like this!In short, go to the USPS if necessary, but don't let it ride. It's no favor to the young person to allow him to escape the consequences of his actions.

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AKTI Member #A000934
"Always just one knife short of perfection!"
 
It sounds to me like the BM42 is long gone and this young man is trying to get out of a sticky situation. I would email him again letting him know that I would like the difference between the two knives sent immediately and would request that he email me with his intentions. Let him know that you intend to post his name here if he does not come through. Hopefully that will be all that is needed to jumpstart this fella.

Hopefully he realizes that his reputation is worth more than a couple of dollars and if he wants to do business on this forum he better make good.

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Keith

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I also agree with what has been said.

You can't just let him get away with it.

He will only try it again.



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Rick Gray - Left Handers Unite
 
My bet is that the BM42 is gone on another trade or sale, and he just wanted "to have his cake and eat it too".

Keep after him. Maybe he will read these posts (and know that HE is being discussed here), and make it right with you.

Good luck.
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Dann Fassnacht
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I pretty much am with you all so far... I believe he is 18 or so and his mother signed for an expensive knife gotten from me a few months back and he wanted to sell it and the 42 last month due to "needing some cash for something that came up", I watched the for sale post and no one was taking it and I felt sorry for him and found a buddy/customer who wanted the one knife and I figured I pay for the 42... I have been wanting one just had not gotten around to it... well I have been young and needing money so I thought why not? I mean he has a good name here and I thought he might just need a little help and all and he was a "good customer" from before ... so here I am trying my darndest to "wake him up". I mean it is not just a "money thing" it is a PRINCIPLE and a WORD thing. And ALACHOCTAW I understand and that is why I am here, sometimes a wake up call before throwing the book at him will work and I hope it does and I hope he is man enough to make it right and apologize here so he can be a member in good standing, it is not that bad yet and he might really not understand what he did and is doing is wrong, don't ya just love the american way any more?
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I guess the problem is that I care and my GOD cares about this kid and if there is something to help him I want to try, and I really do not think he intended to do wrong, though I could be wrong, But HE DOES have to try to make it right....

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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
 
Sounds like a deal I had with young fella up in Minn... He ended up making it right, but took letters, mail from Mom on legal letterhead, and lots of time. I hope it works out.
 
tallpaul,

You are correct; he has to make it right.

Tell him about this thread.


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Rick Gray - Left Handers Unite
 
listen to alachoctaw, this "kid"
know's full well what he has done.
if he slides on this transaction
it will just happen again.
try a little " tough love" !

mike/reno

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Rhodesian Ridgeback rescue contact
 
At 17 years and 11 days I learned what responsability was.First day of boot camp in the USMC.Very eye opening.

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have a"knife"day
 
Tallpaul, I know I come across sounding very harsh and inflexible.I tend to sound rather gruff in person,too, much to my chagrin.Please understand that this is just a personality quirk developed over 27 years of police service, and that I believe that the Lord can and will save anyone who asks. The fact is that the guiltiest seem to be the least likely to think they need salvation! Your original post led me to believe that you didn't know him previously. If you are able to contact him or his mother (perhaps using receipts from the original transaction?)maybe he will do the right thing, but I still think you need to make it clear to him that you mean serious business and that you are not just another kid on the street.Then, you should be prepared to go further, because kids these days will call your bluff just about every time. They seem to think that there are no serious consequences possible for their actions.I'm afraid that often we retard their character development by allowing them off too easy.This comes from a loving father and grandpa who thinks that children are about the greatest gift God ever gave us, other than His own Son.

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AKTI Member #A000934
"Always just one knife short of perfection!"
 
AlaChoctaw, I do understand about being firm though in my old age I try to make sure that I am somewhat fair about things... I was/can be entirely too good at taking care of business so to speak. I find that a sharp tongue unleashed before I should does a lot of harm, let alone once you start certain proceedings they can be hard to stop... I am sure as an officer you remember when you could shake some sense into a kid, and basically all that is is showing them that you care enough to take the time for them, and it could work. I did e-mail this url/post to him and will give him some time in case he is not following this before I will have to "raise it up a notch" . Seems that I am have my share of testing by teenagers at this time and it seems that they have no clue... doesn't anyone spend time with these kids anymore ???? It is like they really have no clue!!! **** not all but most that is **** well as the Busse clan would say "yours in nuclear frustration" - paul

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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
 
At the very least he should refund your money, and if you agree to letting him sell the Cub then you are a very kind gentleman.

In reality he should purchase a BM 42 at whatever price and sell it to you at the agreed price. Anything else is fraud, and 18 might be young but definitely not too young to learn responsibility.

A wise person once told me "Begin as you intend to continue", and this is not a good beginning...

-edited to add that last sentence.

[This message has been edited by Elvislives (edited 06-02-2001).]
 
Paul, I find that often these days young people have no supervision from an early age.Often raised by one hardworking parent, they often are just raised "on the streets", without any principles or moral guidance. Especially in the case of a male child being raised solely by the female parent, There is frequently violence from the child to the mother, and she is frightened to correct her own child! Without a strong male figure in his life, it is easy for a boy to grow up feeling that "might makes right" and that anything he wants to do is justified because he wants it.It's definitely enough to make you feel sick. I pray often and hard for the young people I know or come into contact with, but I don't know that I've had much success.I guess we will all know one day! I totally agree that we need this young man as a legitimate member of our hobby, if he is so inclined, but he must accept the standards he finds here, as must we all.May God bless you all! James

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AKTI Member #A000934
"Always just one knife short of perfection!"
 
AlaChoctaw, James? I see I am not alone in my thoughts after all
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The problem with the net and no personal interaction past words it is hard to reach someone who you are trying to "help" so to speak. I wonder if all this is the result of that "new math" they teach in schools...
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As far as everyones responses I thank you for your time and God Bless-paul


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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
 
Hi guy's
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I recieved an e-mail from him today and he is gonna send a check for the difference in the two blades, which was my suggestion not his by the way. I was/ am happy that he reponded, I figured something was up- he said was away in the field without a computer
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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
 
Hi guys
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I recieved a Postal MO. for the difference today that was sent out priority mail as stated. I am glad he followed through and hopefully things will be fine. I know this was a little odd and thank you all for your support... God Bless-paul

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If You Abide in Him then,"All His Promises are YES and AMEN"
 
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