What do you learn from destruction tests?

I will agree that the best knife in the world would probably do very poorly in a destruction test, given that cutting is what knives are made for.

If you want a knife for more recreational use destruction tests will show you which ones are more up to the challenge, and some of them might cut stuff pretty well too.
 
I learned that there is a $20 knife out there that will take almost as much abused as a Busse.

I learned that there is a very expensive knife out there made in Idaho by a very exclusive manufacturer that will not take very much abuse at all.

I learned that there are some knives that cannot be beaten and abused to the point where they will break.

I learned that some people do not have a stomach for seeing this kind of testing done and they seem to be very vocal in opposition.

I do not know that hockey-mask fellow and have no recollection of his presence on this board, so I may have missed something there.

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He's been gone for quite a while. As far as I'm concerned, you didn't miss much, as I had him on ignore long before he got banned. Search for Noss4 if you care to judge for yourself.

The only thing I ever learned from those type videos (granted, I don't watch them) is there is no such thing as idiot-proof.
 
I see them mostly as pissing contests when the tests get to "Why would you do that with a knife?" territory, but some of them are relevant. Most of them make me cringe, though.
 
There are thousands for knives on the market, when I am trying choice which one I'm going spend my money on, I want one that's going to last. Durability and longevity are two of the things that make a knife worth $100+ and if a knife fails under light abuse than it may not be worth the expense. The guys that destroy their knives are doing us a service. They let us know how much abuse our knives can take before they quit.
 
I learn the Approximate failure point. For most people it doesn't matter, but for some of us who ask a lot from their knives it helps us make a decision of what to trust and not to trust. Ps. I learned from this post who's nose is up Chris Reeves's ass!
 
It seems whenever distruction tests are brought up the CRK thing is brought up.

If you want to do the leg work there was a thread on Scrapyard, a thread here on BF where the same knife was used to perform within its design parameters.

It worked fine.

I loved those tests. Untill I spoke to custom makers that test their own knives. Noss tests fail in comparison to what I have seen some makers put a new design through to test different aspects of the knife. Each test is done for a specific reason for the maker to judge if it is functioning to his design parameters.

However. It is each persons obligation to decide what they take as serious, scientific or not.

My opinion: take everything with a grain of salt. Even my opinion.
 
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Okay, he wasn't banned, but he is still on my ignore list.
 
I learned that there's a guy in his garage who scientifically tests knives. I say and stress "scientific" because:
- All knives are submitted to the same tests
- The tests are documented and repeatable by anyone. Noss uses common equipment that is cheap and readily available.
- The tests are run in a specific order every time, the same order for each knife. Start with easy like cutting cardboard, which every knife can do, but do it anyway. Then webbing. Then wood. Then bend at same angle for each knife, measured.
- Each time, Noss voices observations. Don't let the cussing or emotional tone fool you, there's valuable information. It sounds like a surgery, followed by an autopsy (plus slang).
- Noss is not rushed by time. There is no 5 minute format to match the viewer's attention span like other Youtube videos. If the video gets too long, he breaks it down into several videos but does the job right no matter what.
- The intent is find out what breaks the knife. Once the breakage point is characterized (like hitting concrete for 1 hour), then we have proof that the knife is good for everything in between cutting paper and whatever broke it.
- That's where science meets engineering. Of course no-one will cut concrete with a knife in the real world. In the dream world of science why not? But applied to reality it tells us where breakage is likely to occur and gives us a domain within which the knife can operate without breakage, regardless of what the manufacturer claims or the knife's datasheet/pedigree would have us believe.

This is called "load testing", as in load testing a bridge. In the old days, before computer-aided finite-element-analysis, a bridge would be load tested before opening it for traffic. Engineers would line up 50 full cement trucks on top of the bridge and see if it would hold, knowing that in reality it would never happen. If it held, then the bridge was deemed good enough for carrying day-to-day traffic, which would never even get close to 50 cement trucks at once.
Noss' destruction tests are just like that. Incidentally the tests are identical for each knife and give us a way to then compare knives' relative toughness since they were all subjected to the same tests. It was not the point of the videos really IMHO - in real life do we go around claiming that this bridge is better than that bridge because it took 60 cement trucks? There's other things to consider when comparing. But we can't help it, we like to simplify. As a result it upsets some people who have a strong allegiance to a brand, model, or country of origin when some other knife scores better.
Just like a bridge is easier to cross or handier or more functional or cheaper, these load tests aren't meant to account for this sort of things, they are just load tests to characterize the maximum load of the device.
 
I learned that there's a guy in his garage who scientifically tests knives. I say and stress "scientific" because:
- All knives are submitted to the same tests
- The tests are documented and repeatable by anyone. Noss uses common equipment that is cheap and readily available.
- The tests are run in a specific order every time, the same order for each knife. Start with easy like cutting cardboard, which every knife can do, but do it anyway. Then webbing. Then wood. Then bend at same angle for each knife, measured.
- Each time, Noss voices observations. Don't let the cussing or emotional tone fool you, there's valuable information. It sounds like a surgery, followed by an autopsy (plus slang).
- Noss is not rushed by time. There is no 5 minute format to match the viewer's attention span like other Youtube videos. If the video gets too long, he breaks it down into several videos but does the job right no matter what.
- The intent is find out what breaks the knife. Once the breakage point is characterized (like hitting concrete for 1 hour), then we have proof that the knife is good for everything in between cutting paper and whatever broke it.
- That's where science meets engineering. Of course no-one will cut concrete with a knife in the real world. In the dream world of science why not? But applied to reality it tells us where breakage is likely to occur and gives us a domain within which the knife can operate without breakage, regardless of what the manufacturer claims or the knife's datasheet/pedigree would have us believe.

This is called "load testing", as in load testing a bridge. In the old days, before computer-aided finite-element-analysis, a bridge would be load tested before opening it for traffic. Engineers would line up 50 full cement trucks on top of the bridge and see if it would hold, knowing that in reality it would never happen. If it held, then the bridge was deemed good enough for carrying day-to-day traffic, which would never even get close to 50 cement trucks at once.
Noss' destruction tests are just like that. Incidentally the tests are identical for each knife and give us a way to then compare knives' relative toughness since they were all subjected to the same tests. It was not the point of the videos really IMHO - in real life do we go around claiming that this bridge is better than that bridge because it took 60 cement trucks? There's other things to consider when comparing. But we can't help it, we like to simplify. As a result it upsets some people who have a strong allegiance to a brand, model, or country of origin when some other knife scores better.
Just like a bridge is easier to cross or handier or more functional or cheaper, these load tests aren't meant to account for this sort of things, they are just load tests to characterize the maximum load of the device.

Yes, and I wonder why this is so hard to grasp for some.
 
I'm shocked to learn that there are people who follow these tests and value any of the "data" that results.
 
On Judgement day, Noss will stand before his creator for judgement.

The sky will darken and the creator will hold up a Busse and say: "Good call, dude !!"
 
Just wondering what kind of real world conclusions you can draw from the destruction tests on youtube.

Sometimes people do stupid things.

Youtube user by the name of Virtuovice has some interesting real-world knife tests and observations, though -- none of which involve destroying them.
 
An understanding of reality is essential in the search for truth. If you don't acknoweledge reality, it automatically works against you.
And the truth is that some knives wich cost 400$+ & gets various reward break with little stress comparisons with a 20$ knife.
Noss, is doin what every single knife Co. should do in the first place & make visible to public!
 
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Yes, and I wonder why this is so hard to grasp for some.


testing to some degree is understandable but most of us aren't going to stand, jump or baton our folders.
our knives can only endure so much and everything has limits.

excessively jumping on a folder doesn't us teach anything that we don't already know...it's going to break.
who cares about a "breaking point". i can safely say that most (normal) people are never going to apply 200 pounds (give or take) of jumping force on a knife. obviously we can overpower these locking mechanisms.

IMO some people go overboard and most likely have destructive personalities.
either that or they're running out of vids to post on YT...

just my 2 pennies...
 
Yes, and I wonder why this is so hard to grasp for some.

Perhaps you're mistaking them not grasping this point for them simply not caring about it for reasons stated in the above post and which I was going to elaborate on but don't need to now. :D
 
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I learned exactly what NOT to do if I want to keep my tools intact:thumbup:.

I also learned that not even CPM-3V will survive being stabbed into a tree trunk and smacked from the side with a 2x4.
 
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