What do you think about knife laws

I never understood why switch blades were illegal. When I was young I thought it was because they opened to fast, but a fixed blade opens faster than any knife and those are legal here. I think it had something to do with the gang problem here; same with balisongs. Yet I can walk down the street with a Katana as long as I'm not carrying it "furtively".

In any case, I prefer states that have laws which define knives as weapons only when they're used or carried as weapons, especially because it's usually "dangerous weapons" laws and applies to everything from an ice pick, a screw driver or a hammer. It makes more sense to me to make a law regarding whether someone carries an object as a weapon rather than trying to legislate something into a weapon.
 
In any case, I prefer states that have laws which define knives as weapons only when they're used or carried as weapons, especially because it's usually "dangerous weapons" laws and applies to everything from an ice pick, a screw driver or a hammer. It makes more sense to me to make a law regarding whether someone carries an object as a weapon rather than trying to legislate something into a weapon.

These laws may seem more sensible, but I have first hand experience where the police have flat out lied to their superiors which also means the DA gets a statement that contains some degree of falsification. Even when you refuse to admit you have a weapon and promptly state that you are carrying such and such and why/where you have it. Look at what NH has done. No knife laws. No more do New Hampshire'ns have to worry that a pocket clip can be used as some kind of pretext/PC for a "random" search.

I'm starting to see that most what allowed to view as our courts/laws/justice system is intentionally vague and normal citizen-subjects are intentionally kept in the dark about their rights and the recourse they can take. Like zignal_zero said, the plaintiff must have standing this link is about traffic tickets, but applies as well because they cannot produce an injured human or his property

Any law where no human(s) and/or their property cannot claim any injury/damage are completely a scam. You'd be surprised what you'd learn when you research patriots like the guy who hasn't had a driver's license. Mr. Sprinkle travels.

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Knife laws of any kind piss me off very much. What happened to this free country. The Bad have made it hard for the good, plain and simple.

They have to please the general publilc, so politics wins over common sense every time.

Daniel
 
I can open my 4" Cold Steel "Voyager" folder as fast as a switchblade. In fact, the "Voyager" is considered to be an illegal "gravity knife" in NY because of the speed at which it can be deployed.

So then someone with mental retardation would be exempt? :D
 
I think knife laws are open to interpretation so the government and it's personnel can do what ever they want and not be wrong. Now go pay your taxes.

Yeah, let's just throw all of our money at them and let them infringe upon our constitutional rights, our rights given to us by God don't matter, let's all just bow down and let them control every aspect of our life and refuse to stand up for what we believe in.
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This country was founded on the exact opposite of what you just said. I'm glad our founders didn't have your mentality, because if they did, we'd still be colonies!!!

(Not trying to sound political, I just believe that we as Americans need to stand up for ourselves when our constitutional rights are being infringed upon)
 
Yeah, let's just throw all of our money at them and let them infringe upon our constitutional rights, our rights given to us by God don't matter, let's all just bow down and let them control every aspect of our life and refuse to stand up for what we believe in.
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This country was founded on the exact opposite of what you just said. I'm glad our founders didn't have your mentality, because if they did, we'd still be colonies!!!

(Not trying to sound political, I just believe that we as Americans need to stand up for ourselves when our constitutional rights are being infringed upon)

I think he was sarcastic too. :D
 
^^^ Yes, I was being sarcastic. I thought it was obvious.

As an aside though, your constitutional rights (I'm not a yankee) have been "infringed" upon in many ways and for many years now. And no, most Americans didn't/don't stand up for themselves. Also I believe your rights were given to you by man and not god.
Cheers :)
 
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^^^ Yes, I was being sarcastic. I thought it was obvious.

As an aside though, your constitutional rights (I'm not a yankee) have been "infringed" upon in many ways and for many years now. And no, most Americans didn't/don't stand up for themselves. Also I believe your rights were given to you by man and not god. Cheers :)

i think this is the REAL issue, here. although i use the term "rights" for the sake of conversations, i do not believe there is any such thing. if a right is given, then it's not really a right, only something that you can str8 up take for yourself and hold onto is a right. which is why i believe ABILITIES are what really make or break us. right now the gvt has the ability to prohibit us from doing/carrying things, not the right, but what do our rights actually mean when pitted against their abilities? only when you have the ability to do what you want and not be hemmed up is when you are experiencing any freedom. it's about ability, not right, rights are an illusion meant to appease the population.
 
In the UK, the knife laws are ludicrous. Anyone carrying anything other than a NON LOCKING 2.99" blade is in for a very bad time from the law. In my country only the criminals are allowed guns and now only the criminals are allowed to carry a blade.

I feel very strongly that the times in the UK that the mad and the bad have gone on a killing spree, people would have loved to step in at a very early stage and hopefully save lives. The problem is no one in the UK is in a position to go up against a loony with a gun or a knife because all the good people are allowed to carry are blunted toothpicks.

It is time to punish those who misuse tools to the nth degree and allow the rest of us the freedom to enjoy our tools and defend ourselves and our fellows/family at the terminal expense of the animal filth who seem to have the run of our estates and public transport.

I really feel as if the government of this country is afraid to let people be independent, confident and able to take care of themselves. That could be challenging for them. First they tried and partially succeeded in dumbing us down and now they want to turn us in to the sheep.

The problem with that is there is never a shepherd around when you need one, but you don't seem to have as much trouble finding the wolves.

As for my family, we train with swords and knives, as well as less exotic methods of defense in a forward thinking martial arts club. They may have disarmed us while we are out of our home but, they have not (as yet) stopped us from collecting our blades.

Who knows what the future holds with this bunch of winging liberal cowards calling the shots.
 
^^^ Yes, I was being sarcastic. I thought it was obvious.

As an aside though, your constitutional rights (I'm not a yankee) have been "infringed" upon in many ways and for many years now. And no, most Americans didn't/don't stand up for themselves. Also I believe your rights were given to you by man and not god.
Cheers :)

Smileys help convey sarcasm FYI. Whether you believe that rights are given by God or man, they're still our inalienable rights.
 
A_B_A: Sorry for any misunderstanding. My statement was in the negative for the "openness" of the law and the abuse that could and will stem from such "openness".

Rights need to be maintained just like anything else. You give nothing you get nothing. Things are simple really - the "golden rule" applies to all regardless of labels (ie: liberal or republican, atheists or god fearing, the list goes on forever), but remember - it is not as profitable for things to be simple, as when things can't be understood or confused.

Either that or there is just lots of stupid people in the world. :P
Cheers
 
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Gentlemen I live in the great State of Florida and one can carry any "folding" pocket knife one wishes. What this means is that I can walk around with a Cold Steel Rajah I sticking out of my back pocket and it is fine. Interesting if I have a fixed blade knife with a 1 1/2" blade then I am in trouble. One can have a switchblade/auto knife as long as the blade does not "project" from the handle (i.e, like an arrow). The way around this and many other "weapons" issues (guns, knives, slingshots, etc.) is by getting a Concealed Weapons Permit. It requires a 3 hour class (no test), a drives license, voters registration card and a check for $117 for a 5 year permit . There are State government offices where you go to register electronically, they take your picture, take the check, fingerprint you and you will have the CWL in one weeks time. I consider it my no-molestation license and after that you are good to go including being able to buy a firearm without a waiting period. There are almost 1 million of these licenses in FL and the number of felony's committed is less than 2/10's of one percent. One other point to note is that when asked most of the Police Officers in South Florida do not know what the laws are regarding a knives.
 
^^^ Is it because people paid $117, gave a finger print and got a CWL the reason for such lower felony rates?
The US government should have a pay for your rights fee. Say - $50.00 a year to post your opinion on internet, well that might be too cheap for free speech but think about how they could reduce the debt! :P
 
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This is my favorite post about this issue from Spyderco forum.

ed shemmpp said:
Many here have been handling and carrying a knife most of their lives, many at a much younger age than the young gentleman doing the video. I've carried sense I was 5, and was free to hunt with a firearm at age 10. I did take a hunter safety course. I confront many hunters every year
that don't have the training or the education to hunt safely. It is not so much a matter of age as it is education and experience. I have great faith in the youth that when handed a responsibility often handle that responsibility better than adult particularly those that need a two ton cooler carrier.

Urban pressures are another matter, as are urban laws designed to handle the lowest common denominator. In the urban environment the laws carry more weight than the need. Parental supervision and interaction are paramount to youth with knives.


My country has two laws about it, knife law and light crime law.
Former prohibits to carry fixed/folder that have over 6cm total blade length,
and in details bans include carrying folders with every locking mechanisms.
Latter is very fuzzy and useful for police to arrest who have SAKs and stationery cutters,
and many policemen target weak people for their business performance.

This is very inconvenient for me even in urban environment.
I'm sad I cannot buy fruits to eat at any parks, to be forced to use dull tools,
and people have been forgetting to solve their problem with their personal skills and equipments.
Politicians scream their regional identity but ignore practical roots of hand-working trad,
and agitated people say everything comes to be from "their" social justice.


We are about losing cultural base of EDC,
and most knives shop is getting main sales from "fighting/tactical knives".
But most customers cannot handle them and take them outside,
and only can consider knives as a selfish fantasy gadgets.
Technical discussion is not growing because of public monitoring,
and tactical dreamers are talking virtual issues continuously in BBSs.

I am not so nervous about SD but feel very difficult to walk with others.
Once I was closed to Akihabara massacre with my family,
then I accompanied her martial-arts lesson because I felt something at that time.
She has rheumatoid arthritis and is impossible to run away,
and lots of her partners didn't have mindsets against criminals.
Accident happened other side of the station fortunately,
but I was very afraid after hearing loudly broadcasts that
I didn't have any arms, even short stick to protect them.


Totally it looks like a symbol of kindergarten and gerontic society I feel.
They are prohibited to take their responsibility to their behaviors,
and seems to think every ridiculous thing without law limitation is permitted to be done.
Almost like a child they can test other's patience because nobody have their own arms,
and their frustration synergy will result to more nonsense and constrained regulations.

They can find multiple improvised weapons to fill their desires without any knives,
so that can they swing umbrellas like SAMURAI to injure others, it pisses me off every rainy day.
Bicycles pass too closely like robbers and women likes to carry heavy attacking bag,
that makes me think whether knife laws are strict or not they cannot change such behavior.


I sometimes hope I can EDC my SAKs, Opinel, Svords for utility in urbans.
Of course these are only IMO in my country.
 
I feel for you. It's a a shame to see a nation (Japan) that has such a rich history of edged weapons in this state.
 
My philosophy: A man carries a knife, and he doesn't need a reason.

I think the whole idea of questioning the need to carry a knife is a weird concept. Most people use one or more knives every day.

Wondering why someone is carrying one is like wondering why they are wearing their shoes; both are common every day objects.

By extension laws restricting the carry of knives seem about as weird to me as a law which allows the ownership of shoes, but forbade the wearing of them.
 
Knife laws are about as retarded as the lawmakers who cooked them up.

The ban on butterfly knives and automatics was cooked up by paranoid retards who watched too many action movies and never did any research to see if their use in crimes had any basis in FACT.

The use of folding knives in crimes is low, so low in fact that in TRYING to search up their use in crimes, I can only find a mere handful. If they didn't have their folding knives, the crime would take place anyway with a kitchen knife. And if they didn't have that, an icepick, and if they didn't have that, a screwdriver, and if they didn't have that a fork, and if they didn't have that they'll use a large rock(no joke).

I can understand the gun laws because a gun toting punk is a threat to anyone in his line of sight, and he doesn't have to move an inch to shoot someone. A maniac with a knife must run up to his target in order to use it on them, giving everyone around an opportunity to run the hell away.

Honestly, all these anti-weapon laws just seems like a way for the government to strip people of the ability to defend themselves. I suppose the rich lawmakers living in their million dollar homes with their top dollar security and 20 feet fences feels no need to defend themselves.

I only wish I had a cult who would mob these idiots with sticks and stones(which can do some damage if stuck in the right places) so they ban every loose stick and stone on the planet.
 
The ban on butterfly knives and automatics was cooked up by paranoid retards who watched too many action movies and never did any research to see if their use in crimes had any basis in FACT.

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I can understand the gun laws because a gun toting punk is a threat to anyone in his line of sight, and he doesn't have to move an inch to shoot someone.

Two points...

I'd say the knife bans you mention were because the lawmakers knew the voting sheep were the paranoid retards and could be led to accept such blatantly unconstitutional bullcrap. The politicians are motivated by power - not necessarily stupidity and it's a mistake to underestimate them.

If gun laws are ok (they aren't) then so are knife laws. Both are unconstitutional and both stupidly address the tool to be used rather than the criminal that uses the tool.

We owe it to our kids and grandkids to refuse to be disarmed.
 
Two points...

I'd say the knife bans you mention were because the lawmakers knew the voting sheep were the paranoid retards and could be led to accept such blatantly unconstitutional bullcrap. The politicians are motivated by power - not necessarily stupidity and it's a mistake to underestimate them.

If gun laws are ok (they aren't) then so are knife laws. Both are unconstitutional and both stupidly address the tool to be used rather than the criminal that uses the tool.

We owe it to our kids and grandkids to refuse to be disarmed.
I don't have a problem with guns in the home, but I don't see much of a practical reason to walk down the street with one unless your neighborhood is REALLY bad.

I just don't want to be deprived of a quality tool because of ignorant sheep.
 
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