What do you think of the new Busse Sword?

Bigfattyt said:
There are lots of great steels out there, some much more expensive than infi. Lots of steel cheaper than Infi that make great steels.
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Definitely agree here. Also agree that INFI is very cool stuff. Possibly even the best cutlery steel on the market. So far it hasn't been worth the price to me though, but that's just preference, and if I ever end up with enough of an income to drop the money on one (which will be after I buy various customs), I'm sure I'll love it.

I guess my issue is that I don't really see that it's ENOUGH of a better performer to merit the hype, particularly if I have no intention of batoning through steel pipes. And I can only watch so much abuse of a knife before I have to turn it off. I'm not a Noss fan. It's his money, and I can see that some people would value knowing how much they can abuse a blade. But I always feel bad when I abuse a knife, and even knowing how good INFI is, I still couldn't see myself abusing a knife as expensive as a Busse, let alone a big long hunk of steel like the blade in post 1.

If it's a short video though, I can watch it. And I'd be very interested to see someone go to town with their new Busse katana. I saw a tv show once where they chopped a metal pipe in half with a sword. Would be interesting to see if Isao Machii could get better performance with a Busse than the blades he uses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyO46RQhYkQ
 
darkaether said:
The scrapizashi is noticably more lively in hand that the AK47 or Waki and the testing videos were really impressive. And they released right around $300. I liked the solid slabs more than the wrap though and sold mine.
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I concur!!! :D
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/780506-A-few-Scrapizashi-videos-and-pics

And the handle is easily modified:D

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Sorry this is a little off topic of the new Busse sword, but S7 was brought up
 
crimsonfalcon07 said:
Definitely agree here. Also agree that INFI is very cool stuff. Possibly even the best cutlery steel on the market. So far it hasn't been worth the price to me though, but that's just preference, and if I ever end up with enough of an income to drop the money on one (which will be after I buy various customs), I'm sure I'll love it.

I guess my issue is that I don't really see that it's ENOUGH of a better performer to merit the hype, particularly if I have no intention of batoning through steel pipes. And I can only watch so much abuse of a knife before I have to turn it off. I'm not a Noss fan. It's his money, and I can see that some people would value knowing how much they can abuse a blade. But I always feel bad when I abuse a knife, and even knowing how good INFI is, I still couldn't see myself abusing a knife as expensive as a Busse, let alone a big long hunk of steel like the blade in post 1.

If it's a short video though, I can watch it. And I'd be very interested to see someone go to town with their new Busse katana. I saw a tv show once where they chopped a metal pipe in half with a sword. Would be interesting to see if Isao Machii could get better performance with a Busse than the blades he uses.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyO46RQhYkQ
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Sums up my thoughts pretty closely as well. Only I don't ever see myself springing for one.
 
Well, at least Busse is releasing Infi in REAL sword length at last!

I better see some 2 by 4 chops soon... and I mean one hitters!
 
crimsonfalcon07 said:
Not going to lie, Busse swords never really cut it for me, particularly not at the price point. I mean, I'm sure they're wonderful, and all that. But while INFI may be wonderful stuff, I haven't really noticed it being functionally several times better than other options, some of which are a tenth the price. I'd rather not pay for hype when there are other options that are much cheaper, and very nearly as good (and that's assuming INFI actually is better, which I haven't really seen yet). But that's just me. I'm sure it's a great blade, and that it performs very well, but there's a lot about it that strikes me as off, and I just don't think it's worth MY money.

That being said, it looks like something I would expect to see Sephiroth wielding.
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I agree with Crimson Falcon Not to say that INFI is not great steel, but I think That there are probably Several makers out there that are Making blades out of other High quality steel that are just as durable as INFI. My Brothers and I personally use 5160, and have had great results. and we fully torture and test our swords to the point of breaking. I have broke several of our blades, and would hope that no customer would EVER do what we do to these things. I would not expect a INFI sword to withstand the same abuse. I have studied the formula for busse's INFI, (if the one on the web is correct), and I believe it is a high quality steel, and I commend them for using high quality materials, I just don't believe that that makes everything else junk. does that make sense?
 
I would put a Busse Gladius against ANY sword on the market in a destruction test and cash to back it up

INFI is fantastic material, and while i know that well made 5160 is extremely tough, it's not the equal of INFI.

Busse blades have survived testing that was simply mind blowing... they've batoned through concrete, steel pipe, sheet metal, microwaves, toasters, steel bolts, bricks, and one more than one occasion, cars

In no way am I detracting from your sword, which looks to be very well made, but i'd say with as much conviction as one can have without having SEEN something happen, that a busse gladius could match one of your swords in any test you choose
 
The steel, the maker, the technique, the cost, the balance, the design. yada yada yada.... No disrespect gents but all of that is not an answer to the question; well so long as they are used for talking point against the subject blade.

I do not dig everything Busse does. But The way he makes the blade, the steel that is produced, and the price point, are all very respectable attributes to their blades. I really have respect for the way that these knives are made, not in the knife guy sense I would respect a hand forged beauty, but from the engineering standpoint. They are amazing. That very competitive and high performance sword can be had at the price point they offer them at, is an accomplishment that may be overlooked in some of these posts. A Busse is not a traditionally made knife in any sense of the word knifemaker, but they are knives none the less and they are known for their performance. (yes I own one I did own more than that at one point, but sold them off)
 
BePrepared said:
In no way am I detracting from your sword, which looks to be very well made, but i'd say with as much conviction as one can have without having SEEN something happen, that a busse gladius could match one of your swords in any test you choose
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Dude are you talking about Jrodens sword in post #62?
 
BePrepared said:
I would put a Busse Gladius against ANY sword on the market in a destruction test and cash to back it up

INFI is fantastic material, and while i know that well made 5160 is extremely tough, it's not the equal of INFI.
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Yeah, id put it against ANY sword on the market and expect it to win in a d-test, what is it, .40 thick? Dtest winner yes but performance no. Its not a good cutter or chopper. It looks badass and would definately dismantle a zombie if they existed, but they dont so its really only a novelty, not comparable to n actual sword in any way besides for it being big.
 
To be fair, I've also seen 1095 and 1075 baton through bricks and cars as well, and I think 5160 does an even better job than those at handling abuse. Just my opinion though. I am fully willing to agree that INFI is great stuff, and it's impressive what it can do. But there are many other spring steels that can undergo the same kind of abuse and still come out very well, and at a fraction of the price.

For instance, I know that some of the smiths at Baltimore Knife and Sword use 1075, and I've seen them bang full force on chunks of steel without so much as a nick (although those aren't sharps). And I've seen 440A done well take a chunk out of an engine block. In my opinion, the type of steel matters considerably less than the heat treat.

Busse does a fantastic job with their products, in all respects. I feel like there's no denying that. But so do many other makers in a variety of other kinds of steel. Does Busse live up to the hype? Hard to say. That's really an individual decision. Sure, they may have the best steel on the market. But I haven't seen or heard of anything that a Busse blade has been able to do that can't be done, nearly as well, by other steels at a MUCH lower price point. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a matter of whether or not they have the best blade on the market. It's whether it's ENOUGH better to matter, particularly if I could buy two blades at the same price point. I don't dispute the decision to go Busse just to have the best thing out there, although I'm not convinced one way or the other. But that's not likely to EVER be my decision. I'm a "good enough to do the job" kind of buyer, not a "I need the best thing no matter how much it costs" kind of buyer. To each their own.

That being said, I'm looking forward to seeing the sword from the OP demolish some stuff. I will be interested to see how the geometry pans out, and how good of a cutter it is.
 
BePrepared said:
I would put a Busse Gladius against ANY sword on the market in a destruction test and cash to back it up.............

In no way am I detracting from your sword, which looks to be very well made, but i'd say with as much conviction as one can have without having SEEN something happen, that a busse gladius could match one of your swords in any test you choose
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Not the first one, the gladius, the second one. The "your sword" part. I went back a few pages but didn't catch the reference.
 
dericdesmond said:
Yeah, id put it against ANY sword on the market and expect it to win in a d-test, what is it, .40 thick? Dtest winner yes but performance no. Its not a good cutter or chopper. It looks badass and would definately dismantle a zombie if they existed, but they dont so its really only a novelty, not comparable to n actual sword in any way besides for it being big.
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This. "High-performance" materials and workmanship, yes, but high performance design? As in function as a sword? I'm speculating here, as I have not handled one, but all of the stats, as well as first-hand descriptions, scream "NO" at me.
 
ron_m80 said:
Not the first one, the gladius, the second one. The "your sword" part. I went back a few pages but didn't catch the reference.
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I was referring to Miller Bros Swords(pic at bottom). They are, by all accounts, FANTASTIC swords, but his statement that he "would not expect a INFI sword to withstand the same abuse" as what his swords take is what i was disputing.

Deric, the blade on a gladius is .30" not .40... it's thick, but since i don't know how thick the MB sword is, i can't compare.

I'm very tempted to say that i think the AK47 would hold up to pretty much any production sword out there in a D-test, but i can't say for SURE since it's only about half as wide as the MB sword.

I won't argue edge geometry, since Busse isn't making traditional katanas, but i think their cutting ability is at least sufficient on human targets, which is what "tactical" swords are aimed at.

As for price point, i seriously don't think that's a relevant point in the long run. A heavily used (but not damaged) Busse will sell for pretty much what it cost new direct from Busse. Most swords will not. A Busse Gladius will cost you under $900 from the custom shop, and an AK47 will cost you under $700... these prices are very similar to what MB and other custom tactical sword makers are asking, and Busse backs their blades up with a FULL LIFETIME WARRANTY. You break it doing ANYTHING other than intentionally TRYING to break it, and they'll replace it.


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BePrepared said:
I won't argue edge geometry, since Busse isn't making traditional katanas, but i think their cutting ability is at least sufficient on human targets, which is what "tactical" swords are aimed at.
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I dunno about that... I'd venture to guess that most "tactical" swords see most of their use on pool noodles, watermelons, water bottles, and 2x4's. I can't imagine there are that many operators with Busse swords, particularly not long ones. I would be shocked to find out that this sword will ever see duty against a human opponent outside of a crime. And, if it DID see use, it might well find itself up against body armor. In which case it would need all the help it can get. It looks way too long and unwieldy for a soldier to tote around on his web gear or something. More of a novelty item, than anything.
 
FortyTwoBlades said:
This. "High-performance" materials and workmanship, yes, but high performance design? As in function as a sword? I'm speculating here, as I have not handled one, but all of the stats, as well as first-hand descriptions, scream "NO" at me.
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Just be clear we are talking about the gladius, not the new sword. The new sword I feel will be a performer. I couldnt believe how flexy it was when I handled it, should be a lot of fun to whoop on though I doubt Ill be swinging either of mine :D
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BePrepared said:
I was referring to Miller Bros Swords(pic at bottom)

Deric, the blade on a gladius is .30" not .40... it's thick, but since i don't know how thick the MB sword is, i can't compare.
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Im pretty sure its a lot thicker then .30, mine is at my GF's so Ill have to check later but if you have a link stating such I will toss in the towel.

eta-I was wrong, its .30
 
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If you're referring to the new one, i definitely agree... it's more of a curio IMHO...

The AK47 is busse's perfect operator sword. 18" blade, light and fast.

The RUK is the shorter version at 15" and is possibly even better from the operator perspective

The new sword has a 31" long blade and is more katana than tactical.

Here's the AK47. Mine with be here soon along with my gladius from the custom shop

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dericdesmond said:
Im pretty sure its a lot thicker then .30, mine is at my GF's so Ill have to check later but if you have a link stating such I will toss in the towel.
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"List price of the satin with G10 scales is $1897, but the Show Special price is $997. The coated version has a Show price of $597."

"Overall length is just over 23 inches. Blade from point to front edge of handle slab is 15 1/8” or right at 16” if measured to talon holes. Blade thickness on this one is .30” in front of handle slabs."

seen here... don't know where the original is on BF

http://zs.robotsquad.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=68259
 
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