What does BladeForums think about Kerambits?

Thanks for the inputs everyone. I am quite interested in training with one. Any good sources on the web or DVDs to check out? They do look like a lot of fun.

Oh, anyone have pics of some exceptional ones?
 
Emerson has a CQC7 Karambit that looks sweet and you have the handle style with a straight blade.
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Honestly I'd have a hard time taking anyone seriously that caries one around. Nothing but a silly ninja knife imo

I guess you wouldn't take me seriously at times then.
I use mine for "ninja" tasks like cutting meat, peeling carrots, making fuzz sticks, peeling bark, sharpening sticks for use as sausage skewers for the fire, light batonning for kindling, opening boxes...
You know, all that stuff "ninjas" normally do.:rolleyes:
 
Hey everyone, I'll let you in on well kept secret...knives are often useful for tasks which require a knife.:eek:
 
YouTube has some very impressive videos on their applications, and "fun" has nothing to do with it.

Well, training IS fun...fighting with knives is not.
Much like sparring in martial arts is fun, but getting smashed in the face by a freak fueled by meth in a street assault is not.:cool:
 
Well, training IS fun...fighting with knives is not.
Much like sparring in martial arts is fun, but getting smashed in the face by a freak fueled by meth in a street assault is not.:cool:

I can see where some have fun with it.

I've never trained for fun/sport/competition (except for firearms & archery), and much of my training (including knife training) was accelerated, mostly for work.

You're right, though. Sometimes, it's better to give than to receive.
 
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Like any knife they are useful, and the design has an aggressive cut, but is limited in function somewhat by the recurve.
I wouldn't buy into the super effective as a self defense weapon when used by a trained martial artist, their value as a self defense weapon is the same as any other knife or less when you consider that you have to have be trained to use them "effectively".
 
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I wouldn't buy into the super effective as a self defense weapon when used by a trained martial artist, their value as a self defense weapon is the same as any other knife or less if when you consider that you have to have be trained to even use them effectively.

Refusing to be robbed by 2 men, woman fights back
By Trevor Wilhelm, The Windsor Star, September 18, 2009
WINDSOR, Ont. -- They hit her, they knocked her down, but Melissa Codling wasn’t going to be a victim.
When two men ambushed Codling Wednesday night as she walked alone near Victoria Avenue, she fought back. They wanted her purse and iPod. She had other plans.
“He’s not going to rob me, that’s all I kept thinking, all I was feeling,” said Codling, 21. “I’m not going to be a victim. It’s not going to be me. You hear about people that are victims of crime and all I was thinking was I’m not going to be that person.”
Police said the attack appears to have been a crime of opportunity.
“These guys happen to be lurking around the area, they see her walking by herself and next thing you know they jump her,” said Sgt. Brett Corey.
He said struggling against the attackers was the right thing to do.
“Do everything you can do,” said Corey. “Scream, yell, fight, draw attention to yourself. She was obviously able to break free and call us.”
He added you can help protect yourself by walking in pairs and sticking to well-lit, well-travelled areas when possible.
Codling was walking down Pelissier Street toward her mom’s place after getting off the bus at Ouellette Avenue and Shepherd Street around 9 p.m. She was headed toward Tecumseh Road while scrolling through songs on her iPod.
There was a guy leaning on a fence near a church at Tecumseh and Victoria Avenue.
“Really staring at me, giving me the creeps,” said Codling.
She immediately thought of her pocket knife, which she bought because it matched her purse. Codling slipped it into her sleeve and cut through the parking lot behind the church.
“The first male starts moving really fast toward me,” said Codling.
She didn’t panic, she didn’t scream. She ignored the flip-flops on her feet making it hard to run. Codling just bolted.
“It was total tunnel vision,” she said. “All I could see was me going forward. I wasn’t thinking about anything else.”
But she didn’t see the other guy coming. Codling turned back to see where her pursuer was, unaware a second man was hiding, waiting to strike.
“He jumped out and I hit him like it was a brick wall,” said Codling.
She’s not sure where he came from. He might have been hiding behind a church wall that jutted out.
“I walk through there all the time,” said Codling. “When I do I always kind of lean sideways to look because you can see a shadow. But I was dealing with the guy behind me. I didn’t have time to check around. I didn’t think he had a buddy waiting in the dark to creep out on me.”
She ploughed into him and backed up, staggering. Her attackers were relentless.
“The guy behind me was screaming, ‘grab that bitch’s iPod, grab that bitch’s purse,’” said Codling. “Then the second male pushed me.”
She slipped out of her flip-flops and tumbled to the pavement. One of the men climbed on her chest to hold her down.
For the first time, she felt panic. Codling was becoming a victim. It made her angry. She told herself she was strong. She mustered her courage.
“I started swinging my knife around, just trying to put distance between me and them,” said Codling. “I think I got the second male because he went ‘aahh’ and moved back. I was going every which way with this thing. They backed up away from me.” She saw her opportunity.
“I got up and I ran.”
Codling didn’t stop running — still clutching her purse and iPod — until she got to her mother’s house.
“I was fine until I walked in the door and I saw my mom,” said Codling. “Then all the emotion started coming. I started crying. I just needed a minute to understand what had just friggin’ happened. Then I had a couple cigarettes, told her what happened.”
Police said the one of the attackers was white, bald, clean shaven and 25 to 30 years old. He was about 180 pounds, five foot seven with a medium build and wore a black hoodie, black pants and was clean shaven.
The other man was also white, about 30 years old and six feet tall with a muscular build. He was bald, clean shaven, and wore a tight, long-sleeved black shirt and dark pants.
Police ask anyone with information to call their investigations branch at 519-255-6700 ext. 4830 or Crime Stoppers at 519-258-TIPS (8477).
 
Refusing to be robbed by 2 men, woman fights back
By Trevor Wilhelm, The Windsor Star, September 18, 2009
[Long story goes here]
Police ask anyone with information to call their investigations branch at 519-255-6700 ext. 4830 or Crime Stoppers at 519-258-TIPS (8477).

Was there a picture of her knife because it doesn't say anything about it being a kerambit in the article. Still the self defense value hasn't changed its the same as any other knife.
 
Was there a picture of her knife because it doesn't say anything about it being a kerambit in the article. Still the self defense value hasn't changed its the same as any other knife.

No picture, and I'd bet it wasn't a karambit...which wasn't the point.
The point was about needing training to use a knife in defense, and she had none.:)

The karambit of course has no advantage; a knife is a knife is a knife.
If anything, for a trained person it would be more limiting, given the extra difficulty with stabs, due to the curved blade.
 
No picture, and I'd bet it wasn't a karambit...which wasn't the point.
The point was about needing training to use a knife in defense, and she had none.:)
Agreed.
The karambit of course has no advantage; a knife is a knife is a knife.
Not completely correct.
If anything, for a trained person it would be more limiting, given the extra difficulty with stabs, due to the curved blade.
Incorrect.

Just as with fighting styles, everyone's got their own needs/preferences. Simply "stabbing" isn't always the best way to go.

Also, as with a straighter blade, one doesn't need to be trained to effectively use a karambit (although, it would help and be advisable). In fact, many karambit moves call for very natural motions, those that a potential victim can easily perform in close-up situations, I believe.
 
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Incorrect.

Just as with fighting styles, everyone's got their own needs/preferences. Simply "stabbing" isn't always the best way to go.

Also, as with a straighter blade, one doesn't need to be trained to effectively use a karambit (although, it would help and be advisable). In fact, many karambit moves call for very natural motions, those that a potential victim can easily perform in close-up situations, I believe.

Bolded part is true enough...many people revert to slashing motions when under pressure, and a karambit, or other curved blade, is good for slashing.:)
I never said that simply stabbing was better either, but having options is generally a good thing.
I haven't come across too many techniques for which a karambit is better than a straight blade, and those that are tend to be "low percentage" techniques.
You are correct though in that everyone's fighting style is different, and for some folks, a karambit might suit them better.
On average though, I give the nod the a regular straight blade.
Of course, I'll probably get kicked out of the Karambit Fraternity for speaking such heresy!:D
 
A Karambit is one intimidating piece of hardware and I know exactly what I would do when confronted with one - run like hell!
 
They are great if your requirements are:

sub-3" to be legal
carry for very minor utility and defense

The Emersons are great. I had one for a while and will recommend them for sure. Very fast opening and even in a standard sabre grip with pinkie through hole, very comfortable.
Obviously these are purpose-built and those who practice Silat will use them to great effect. Without training= use the saber grip and don't go flipping it forward and back and NEVER spin the thing.
It is a very viable defensive knife held in the saber grip using circular motions. With a pinky through the hole, you gain a little retention over a standard handle.


Unless you are lucky enough to find one of the bullnose, commander, or 7- shaped Emersons; they really have limited utility function. Unless you don't mind dulling up and/or damaging the tip, I wouldn't use one for much work- it's just not what they were intended to do.
 
I think the classic claw shaped karambits are fairly limited in use.
however, stuff like the emerson bullnose and cqc-7 karambits, where a more "normal" folder blade is mated with a karambit handle looks like it could have greater uses. I can see using the ring to retain the knife while working, preventing you dropping it, and allowing you to hang it off your little finger, in much the same way knives like the cold steel bird and trout are intended to be used.
 
...I haven't come across too many techniques for which a karambit is better than a straight blade, and those that are tend to be "low percentage" techniques. ...
Because of preferred styles, slashing is one area where some folks might feel a karambit is more effective. That's certainly not a "low percentage" technique, imo.

Trapping techniques are also not "low percentage" use, imo.

... I give the nod the a regular straight blade. ...
I like both. :cool:
 
... With a pinky through the hole, you gain a little retention over a standard handle. ...
You also gain impact-striking capability.

True, it can be done with a standard larger folder where the butt of the handle protrudes, but with the karambit, I believe it provides for more angled/directional options.
 
Because of preferred styles, slashing is one area where some folks might feel a karambit is more effective. That's certainly not a "low percentage" technique, imo.

Trapping techniques are also not "low percentage" use, imo.

I like both. :cool:

Agreed all around, with the caveat that slasking and trapping techniques can be done with either a curved OR straight blade.:)
Whether the karambit is better at those things is another whole can of worms, one which I don't want to reach into again.:D
 
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