What I'm looking for in an SD folder...

Yes, I'm sure the fact that you used a "Combative Edge M1" will go over big at your trial.

Like it or not, defend yourself with that, and you are going to get nailed with carrying a deadly weapon with intent to use it. You'll watch your twins grow up from behind bars.

Get some pepper spray.
 
Better to risk doing a bit of jail time, than let yourself get planted in the ground. You'll never do anyone any good again if you're dead.

I'd say combine pepper spray with your knife. One item in each hand if it can be managed.
 
CQC15 mini or the Horseman (mini-CQC8) would be my suggestion. I believe these are available here and there. Both can be had in the new stonewashed finish.
 
"... a guy on teacher's salary with 1yr old twins ..."

It would be reasonable to believe that you are a worthwhile person with a bright future. Blood splatter will do nothing to enhance that image.

In Florida pepper spray and a stun gun would do nicely to avoid the above life changing event.
 
the only knife that comes to my mind being its whole design is geared towards SD is... the spyderco civilian
 
EricV said:
Endura wave, or an Emerson socfk since they can be bought with an "A"(spear point) blade given that you don't like tantos, or a waved cqc7 with an A blade.

There is nothing wrong with a well made liner lock, people around here seem to have this crazy stigma about them I've never heard of anywhere else and certainly never encountered in years of hard use with them.
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Personally having multiple liner locks fail or wear out in a short time is not a stigma, it's a problem. These were popular knives by the top knife companies. I personally think they are too easy to mess up and they need to be checked on a knife by knife basis. Even then the lock up can change after months of use and I no longer trust them when there are much better designs around. Especially on a knife that could potentially be pushed hard. I'm glad you have never had a problem.



marcinek said:
Yes, I'm sure the fact that you used a "Combative Edge M1" will go over big at your trial.

Like it or not, defend yourself with that, and you are going to get nailed with carrying a deadly weapon with intent to use it. You'll watch your twins grow up from behind bars.

Get some pepper spray.
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The saying "I would rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6" comes to mind.

And depending on what part of the world you are in, you have a right to defend your life whether it is with a gun, screw driver, or the death maker 8 folding combat knife. I personally think a knife is a terrible self defense weapon and would rather use a rock, but if it is my last line of defense and I think it might save my life then it will be used. Just because you live in a place where you end up in prison for defending your life, doesn't mean that everyone does. It also doesn't mean that every person would rather have their kids put flowers on a grave once a year then make visits to a jail for a couple years. The beautiful thing about the U.S. is that as of now, we have the ability to make that choice as a free person.

To the OP: Have you checked out the Benchmade Rift? It has a thumb stud and AXIS lock and is about the size you are looking for. I feel like I could stab pretty hard with mine without my hand slipping. The blade should stab pretty good and is also fairly thin so it slices great as well. Makes a great EDC blade which is what my knives get used for the most. The mini Rukus might also work well but is harder to find since it is discontinued and might be too big for you.
 
Jaiofspam said:
the only knife that comes to my mind being its whole design is geared towards SD is... the spyderco civilian
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I guess the karambit and other wave opening knives don't count?

Again, I find a knife that I spent good money on and will only ever use in a hypothetical SD situation is an utter waste of money unless you get attacked every other day of the week.

I for one prefer a large sturdy hard use knife that fills my hand in a solid grip. But again, just pick an EDC you'll actually use and is quick to open(thumb stud, thumb hole, flipper, wave opener) and you should be golden.
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
And depending on what part of the world you are in, you have a right to defend your life whether it is with a gun, screw driver, or the death maker 8 folding combat knife. I personally think a knife is a terrible self defense weapon and would rather use a rock, but if it is my last line of defense and I think it might save my life then it will be used. Just because you live in a place where you end up in prison for defending your life, doesn't mean that everyone does. It also doesn't mean that every person would rather have their kids put flowers on a grave once a year then make visits to a jail for a couple years. The beautiful thing about the U.S. is that as of now, we have the ability to make that choice as a free person..
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All I'm saying is that its one thing to defend yourself by bashing somebody's brains with a handy rock...it's another thing entirely to defend yourself by poking a bad guy with a "Combative Edge" knife you had in your pocket. Now all of a sudden you are looking at intent to cause bodily harm with that deadly weapon you keep with you.

I doubt anybody here is happy about that perception, but it can't be ignored.

Handy rock, discarded beer bottle, screwdriver, pepper spray, good pair of running shoes....any one of them is a much better "first plan of action." Gives you a shot of claiming self-defense.
 
I like what one member said previously on playing the legal game, "First and foremost, a knife is a TOOL. If you carry a razor, you'd damn well better have some shaving cream on you."

That said, perhaps a nice SwissTool would work as well. The folded tool itself is useful as an impact weapon. If you flip it open fast, the pliers could cause a world of pain on someone's skull. And with the multitude of tools crammed into it, it should pay itself off as a handy tool at work.

I feel people make too much of the weight and size of a knife. At work I carry my Surefire C2, a ZT 0301, a BM 710-1, my wallet, my iPod Touch, a Dozier Buffalo River Hunter(clipped to belt), my zippo, my cellphone, and my keys. If I'm walking around in jeans, I just lose the 710 and the Dozier.
 
Noctis3880 said:
I guess the karambit and other wave opening knives don't count?

Again, I find a knife that I spent good money on and will only ever use in a hypothetical SD situation is an utter waste of money unless you get attacked every other day of the week.

I for one prefer a large sturdy hard use knife that fills my hand in a solid grip. But again, just pick an EDC you'll actually use and is quick to open(thumb stud, thumb hole, flipper, wave opener) and you should be golden.
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I agree with what Noctis says here. You are going to be most familiar with the knife you carry and use regularly. I also prefer a larger, solid feeling knife on a daily basis. You would need to spend time with a dedicated SD folder in order to get comfortable with it. An edc knife that you carry and use, if not daily a few times weekly, is going to already be comfortable and natural feeling in your hand. What subject and grade level do you have?
 
the axis lock seems like it would be way too easy to disengage for SD, i personally wouldnt feel comfortable carrying an axis lock for that reason.
 
JeremiahWeaver09 said:
the axis lock seems like it would be way too easy to disengage for SD, i personally wouldnt feel comfortable carrying an axis lock for that reason.
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That depends whether you stab or slash. Personally my ZT 0301 folded up during a spine whack while my BM 710-1 didn't. Though admittedly the knife won't fold with a finger gripping the framelock(one more plus over a liner).
 
Noctis3880 said:
That depends whether you stab or slash. Personally my ZT 0301 folded up during a spine whack while my BM 710-1 didn't. Though admittedly the knife won't fold with a finger gripping the framelock(one more plus over a liner).
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i prefer a good backlock to be honest. it just feels more reliable to me. i also like the liner lock on the spyderco military, i have total trust in that liner lock.
 
Liner locks especially on folders with large cutouts for easier access to the liner lock are prone to accidental and/or inadvertent disengagement when the knife twists in your hands. This tendency for accidental release is why I prefer a backlock for SD. In SD applications, you might not be able to prevent the knife twisting in your hand when it hit something hard or you might deliberately twist the knife to increase the damage.

I am not at all saying a liner lock is unsuitable for SD. All I'm saying is that this is my opinion as to what might possibly happen in the extremely fluid situation of a self defense scenario.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpb8y9y9TUk
 
JeremiahWeaver09 said:
the axis lock seems like it would be way too easy to disengage for SD, i personally wouldnt feel comfortable carrying an axis lock for that reason.
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JeremiahWeaver09 said:
i prefer a good backlock to be honest. it just feels more reliable to me. i also like the liner lock on the spyderco military, i have total trust in that liner lock.
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How would an AXIS lock disengage if using it for SD? Basically all I carry anymore are AXIS lock knives and I use them multiple times a day and have never accidentally unlocked one or felt like I was on the verge of doing so. My hand doesn't even touch the lock in most grips. Even if you were stabbing something and hit something hard so that your hand slid forward, you would be pushing the lock in the 'locked' direction which would do the opposite of unlocking it.

A backlock on the other hand can easily be unlocked when squeezing the handle in a tight grip. That is why the Boye dent was developed. There is a video of a guy testing an American Lawman with the Triad lock. The knife either failed or he squeezed the handle enough to unlock the knife. Regardless, the end of the video showed him getting stitches and he was wearing a leather glove when it happened. Having now held a Triad lock and seeing how hard it is to push in the lock, and how far it has to travel, a normal back lock should be much easier to accidentally unlock.

Everyone is going to like what they like for whatever reason, and I personally would rather have an AXIS lock knife than any other current locking system for every task that I can think of including SD.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. Yeah, I've never owned a frame-lock, but I like the idea...I just always heard the Axis was one of the stronger/more reliable ones--and I liked it on my 710D2.

I primarily carry a 9mm for SD, but I teach at a University--no guns on campus (even in your car). Legal Pocket knives are okay (and FL law is very vague about what constitutes a pocket knife). My EDC is a Ti Leek in ZDP189, but I got a Blur blem--not sure what steel it is (it says June 07 on it, but I think they may have upgraded their steel at some point--I hope it has the Sandvic (sp?)). It's good for a larger EDC that could be used for SD, but I'm still going to try out a mini-Commander or mini-CQC-15 (even though I wish I had the time to engage Mr. Emerson regarding his views) and maybe a ZT350 (though it seems a bit heavy, hard to sharpen, and not sure if it'd be a good stabber with all that belly).

NOTE: I find it interesting that Rex Applegate was against black blades--saying that shiny blades are more intimidating...I would think that the black would be harder to see, and therefore harder to avoid in most cases.
 
marcinek said:
All I'm saying is that its one thing to defend yourself by bashing somebody's brains with a handy rock...it's another thing entirely to defend yourself by poking a bad guy with a "Combative Edge" knife you had in your pocket. Now all of a sudden you are looking at intent to cause bodily harm with that deadly weapon you keep with you.

I doubt anybody here is happy about that perception, but it can't be ignored.

Handy rock, discarded beer bottle, screwdriver, pepper spray, good pair of running shoes....any one of them is a much better "first plan of action." Gives you a shot of claiming self-defense.
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What is wrong with using a pocket knife in this situation? It's a better tool to use defensively than a rock, and it would come to mind faster. I mean, seriously, does anyone every think of a martial artist or a soldier dispatching a foe with a rock, or do they think of them using a knife? A knife is the most convenient, accessible thing most people have on them that can be used as a weapon.

That being the case, I don't see how carrying a knife as a weapon changes the ruling of self-defense. If I carry a pistol on my hip, I'm only intending to do one thing with it; if I do that one thing, I can still say it is in self-defense. So what's the difference if you're carrying a knife like that? How does the fact that you were intending to use it as a weapon mean that your use of it was not in fact in self-defense? That would basically be like claiming everyone who carries a pistol concealed isn't acting in self-defense. I don't get it.

eviljoe,

I don't know anything about intimidating, but the only reason I would see a shiny blade as being more intimidating is because it's easier to see. As far as a black blade being easier to avoid, I suppose it might be if it was dark; but is it common for you to be in a darkened area where someone wouldn't be able to see a patch of black? If you're focused on stabbing, I would get a blade with a satin finish versus anything with a coating. The coating will just make it that much harder to penetrate.
 
eh,maybe bm530 or bm522?Seems most of BM black or blue class are what you want.

had an 522,really smooth and breaking out fast.only 82 bucks....
 
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