What I'm looking for in an SD folder...

KennyB said:
What is wrong with using a pocket knife in this situation? It's a better tool to use defensively than a rock, and it would come to mind faster. I mean, seriously, does anyone every think of a martial artist or a soldier dispatching a foe with a rock, or do they think of them using a knife? A knife is the most convenient, accessible thing most people have on them that can be used as a weapon.

That being the case, I don't see how carrying a knife as a weapon changes the ruling of self-defense. If I carry a pistol on my hip, I'm only intending to do one thing with it; if I do that one thing, I can still say it is in self-defense. So what's the difference if you're carrying a knife like that? How does the fact that you were intending to use it as a weapon mean that your use of it was not in fact in self-defense? That would basically be like claiming everyone who carries a pistol concealed isn't acting in self-defense. I don't get it.
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I don't get the law myself 99% of the time, and most of it just seems utterly useless. But I suppose the thing is, guns are regulated in some form, knives are not(probably a practical impossibility if you ask me). I find it ironic that using a gun to defend yourself has less legal repercussions than doing the same with a knife. But that's reality for you.

eviljoe,

I don't know anything about intimidating, but the only reason I would see a shiny blade as being more intimidating is because it's easier to see. As far as a black blade being easier to avoid, I suppose it might be if it was dark; but is it common for you to be in a darkened area where someone wouldn't be able to see a patch of black? If you're focused on stabbing, I would get a blade with a satin finish versus anything with a coating. The coating will just make it that much harder to penetrate.
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I would certainly think that a shiny mirror polished blade would be far more intimidating for some odd psychological reason. Besides which, wouldn't your attacker be far more likely to back off if he sees that you are now armed and dangerous and that sh*t has gotten serious? I don't know about you, but I'd feel my life would go much easier if I can go through it without creating a lifeless corpse on the floor, even if it IS justified.

I personally like the coating though(the good DLC kind, not the cheap black oxide crap). When cutting food items, I find that what I'm cutting tends to stick to my mirror polished blade, but doesn't stick to the DLC coating on my ZT 0301. So a coating that reduces friction might actually aid in penetration.
 
This thread (comments are well intended) is freakin nuts! :rolleyes:

College professor with 2 little kids contemplating shanking some crazy student? Kick him out of your school.

The best suggestion so far is pepper spray and I'll go you one further, Mace brand pepper gel. Range 18 feet, shoots a powerful gel with pinpoint accuracy and hits & splatters the bad guy like glue.

Has 0 cross contamination, with no ambient particles floating around. It can be used in your car or a room w/o you inhaling the stuff. It only burns the person struck with it and the harder they try to wipe it away the more it rubs itself in, causing more pain. Is not affected by wind or breezes.

I agree - you'll be visiting your kids in a prison holding cell if you cut some kid - no matter what the reason. Guns? You're prepared to stab somebody (who will probably live to identify you) but you worry about the rule of "no guns on campus?"

I think you may have a screw loose and not so much the people who you're worried about cutting up. I only took the time to post because I wanted to tell you what a nut job you're sounding like. :eek: :rolleyes:
 
cziv said:
This thread (comments are well intended) is freakin nuts! :rolleyes:

College professor with 2 little kids contemplating shanking some crazy student? Kick him out of your school.

The best suggestion so far is pepper spray and I'll go you one further, Mace brand pepper gel. Range 18 feet, shoots a powerful gel with pinpoint accuracy and hits & splatters the bad guy like glue.

Has 0 cross contamination, with no ambient particles floating around. It can be used in your car or a room w/o you inhaling the stuff. It only burns the person struck with it and the harder they try to wipe it away the more it rubs itself in, causing more pain. Is not affected by wind or breezes.

I agree - you'll be visiting your kids in a prison holding cell if you cut some kid - no matter what the reason. Guns? You're prepared to stab somebody (who will probably live to identify you) but you worry about the rule of "no guns on campus?"

I think you may have a screw loose and not so much the people who you're worried about cutting up. I only took the time to post because I wanted to tell you what a nut job you're sounding like. :eek: :rolleyes:
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In fairness to this thread, there have been a few interesting posts. Well, that is, if you disregard the OP's intended purpose. ;)
 
FlaMtnBkr said:
How would an AXIS lock disengage if using it for SD? Basically all I carry anymore are AXIS lock knives and I use them multiple times a day and have never accidentally unlocked one or felt like I was on the verge of doing so. My hand doesn't even touch the lock in most grips. Even if you were stabbing something and hit something hard so that your hand slid forward, you would be pushing the lock in the 'locked' direction which would do the opposite of unlocking it.
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i just have this idea in my head that the axis lock could be disengaged if it is bumped back accidentally by something. its more of a mental thing i guess, but i just dont feel comfortable carrying for SD. for normal use yes.

the strong spydeco backlocks and triad locks give me way more confidence mentally.
 
So because the guy works on a University Campus that means he shouldn't be allowed to defend himself with a knife, but all the other prac tac junkies running around here can use them everywhere else?

I live in a big college town and the campus takes up a large portion of town. I can't carry a gun on campus but they let me carry a pocket knife. There are also many people on campus that are not students. So because this guy works at a place like this he shouldn't be able to defend his life with whatever means possible should he need to? It sounds like he already carries an EDC for daily tasks and that he wants a knife that he can trust should he need to in a self defense situation because he has to spend the majority of his time at a location that he can not properly defend himself (with a gun).

If I have to defend my life then I don't care where I am, who my attacker is, or what I have to use as a weapon, I am going to try to do whatever I can to come out alive and on top.

The reason a knife is a bad weapon is because unless you are trained with one there is a good chance everyone involved will end up cut open. Go take a open marker and go after a friend and grapple with each other using all your strength and then look at where there is marker and consider that a cut from a sharp knife. You will probably both look like the guy who fell asleep first at a college party.
 
A liitle more sanity in your approach to self defense. :)

This one is excellent but won't embed in a post - watch it first! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bza9C8E4WE

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I taught in the state operated post-secondary system for over twenty years - long enough to earn a retirement. In that time, I never carried anything but a SAK - rules. In those years, I had one encounter with a depressed - and bellicose - student. I ejected him from the class - he came towards me - I stood up - with my hand on my chair. He left - and I shut the door - and then had to explain to the class why my chair was still in my hand. After class, his two seat-neighbors came forward and said they were scared - he had told them if I gave him any grief, he would 'cut me up one side and down the other'. He was going through a divorce - I never saw him again.

Knife wounds are horrific. A slice on the forearm, as in defending yourself, and you could have cut muscles, tendons, nerves, etc - and loss of the use of your hand - forever. Across the abdomen, and you may have to wear a colostomy bag - forever. You could always exsanguinate - or become septic - and die in days - 'forever' is over. If attacked by a knife wielding attacker, it's best to let him be the idiot who brought a knife to a gun fight (Recall 'Indiana Jones'...). Cannot legally carry a gun in some places? Avoid those places!

To answer the OP question re the best SD folder, I'd suggest a wire folding stock AK-47. The stock is easily put in place - or use the gun with it folded. As to woods self protection, use your favorie SD folder to carve 'I kilt a bar her' on a tree - leave off the part about using your S&W .500 Magnum. Recall I am a retired old guy - and look for simple answers.

Stainz
 
Heh. Some people are pretty high-strung. I'm not a nut-job (I promise!). I'm not afraid of students--though there are some weirdos, it's very rare. STILL, I am out there late, and I do stop at places on my way to and from school. Since I can't carry a gun IF I'm going to be at school at any point, I wanted an EDC that was a bit larger than my Leek. Does that sound like nutjob talk to you?

While my wife does carry pepper-spray, and I'll look into the gel...I'm just hyper-sensitive to the stuff; just handling the cans can make my fingers sting (maybe it's psychosomatic, I dunno). I have an ASP in my car and carry a knife (even though my kershaw National Geographic keychain knife (and screwdrivers) get used more than my carry knife...I live in an area kinda close to a very bad area, and I often go to the Redbox at a closed Walgreens and/or a grocery store between 10pm and 11pm...I'd rather have a tool and not have to use it than not have it when I needed it.
I'm not saying I look for nor expect danger. I did have a possible attempted carjacking, when a guy called out to me, and when I stopped and cracked my window to see what he needed, his friend--who was on the other side of the street--pulled on the car-door handle on the passenger side (it was locked) and I pulled off fast (later that night, a 1/2 mile away, two guys carjacked a guy and girl--the boyfriend was shot and killed).
Does this make me a nut-job?
 
evi1joe said:
Heh. Some people are pretty high-strung. I'm not a nut-job (I promise!). I'm not afraid of students--though there are some weirdos, it's very rare. STILL, I am out there late, and I do stop at places on my way to and from school. Since I can't carry a gun IF I'm going to be at school at any point, I wanted an EDC that was a bit larger than my Leek. Does that sound like nutjob talk to you?

While my wife does carry pepper-spray, and I'll look into the gel...I'm just hyper-sensitive to the stuff; just handling the cans can make my fingers sting (maybe it's psychosomatic, I dunno). I have an ASP in my car and carry a knife (even though my kershaw National Geographic keychain knife (and screwdrivers) get used more than my carry knife...I live in an area kinda close to a very bad area, and I often go to the Redbox at a closed Walgreens and/or a grocery store between 10pm and 11pm...I'd rather have a tool and not have to use it than not have it when I needed it.
I'm not saying I look for nor expect danger. I did have a possible attempted carjacking, when a guy called out to me, and when I stopped and cracked my window to see what he needed, his friend--who was on the other side of the street--pulled on the car-door handle on the passenger side (it was locked) and I pulled off fast (later that night, a 1/2 mile away, two guys carjacked a guy and girl--the boyfriend was shot and killed).
Does this make me a nut-job?
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you have a right to protect yourself. carry whatever you feel is necessary to protect yourself.
 
marcinek said:
Like it or not, defend yourself with that, and you are going to get nailed with carrying a deadly weapon with intent to use it.
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I don't know where you live, but here in my home state of Michigan, the statute requires "intent to use . . . unlawfully." And it's certainly not unlawful to defend yourself with deadly force, whether it's a gun or a knife or a baseball bat.

However, in Michigan at least, there are some limitations to a defendant's successfully pleading self defense (SD) by deadly force. To wit: (1) The threat must be actual or apparent; (2) There must be a threat of great bodily harm or death; (3) The threat must be immediate and imminent; (4) The defendant's belief must be both subjectively honest (i.e. the defendant actually believed in fact that SD was necessay) and objectively reasonable (i.e. the jury must find that a reasonably prudent person in the same or similar circumstances would have believed that SD was necessary); and (5) The defendant's response must have been proportionate to the perceived threat (i.e. the defendant can only use the same amount of force that was being or about to be used against the defendant). In addition, some states require that the defendant not be the initial aggressor and that no safe retreat was possible by the defendant.

The above information is being posted for general educational purposes only and should not be construed as legal advice.
You should consult with your own lawyer about your specific situation.

That being said, I'd get the all black Endura SC10PSBBK and go IWB:

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