What is a cho creep ???

It's like this...traditionally the cho is adjacent to the bolster, as in this picture (thanks to Sarge for posting the link in the other thread)
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Now compare the position of the cho in any DotD knives and you can see that they are a bit farther up on the blade, not right next to the bolster. The tendancy for the kamis to put the cho further and further away from the bolster (over time) is called cho creep.

But, others may have a more accurate explanation. That's just what I've gathered from watching and listening.

-Tycho-
 
You can search on it and get a full history, but the essence of it is that the cho gets further from the handle and up the blade. Combined with a habaki bolster, this can leave you with a lot of space before the sharp part of the blade starts...

The BDC and villager special from 9/29 have minimal cho creep (and traditional bolsters).
The 8/29 Bura WWII Villager (which is mine) and Gelbu Special both have some cho creep and habaki bolsters, which exagerrate the creep even more.

What has it is to my eyes. People that have been here a while have seen a lot less and more from the posts I've read. The one in the picture linked to by Svashtar from 1941 has none (and no bolster at all).
 
cho creep is bad because it throws off the sight picture when aiming at zombies for the ol' boomerang throw. ask bruise. can be off as much as 6ft in 100 yds and makes it much more difficult to catch on it's return.

of course, i've trained mine to return directly to the sheath, just takes a bit of practice, love, and the proper treats as incentives for your kukh. :D

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kronckew said:
cho creep is bad because it throws off the sight picture when aiming at zombies for the ol' boomerang throw. ask bruise. can be off as much as 6ft in 100 yds and makes it much more difficult to catch on it's return.

of course, i've trained mine to return directly to the sheath, just takes a bit of practice, love, and the proper treats as incentives for your kukh. :D

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O_o...........????????? :D
 
Look, we've done this to death already. Place the tip of your thumb in the upper notch of the cho when you throw it and it will come back to you without "warbling".
The "creep" as you put it, is the balance point for holding and throwing the khukuri properly. Centuries of experience went into this design.
Really, if you dont like it, why dont you just go buy one of those unthrowable khukuris.
As for me, I'm a Himalayan Imports man.
 
errrr..........guys.......how do you throw a 20" Ang Khola or a GRS ???

:confused:

Post some pics please................. ;) :D
 
Cho creep is actually the limited distance the Kamis can move the cho along the blade before most of you start jumping off bridges. It's a useful index of our current insanity- like the Doomsday clock.





munk
 
I don't know what you guys are complaining about. A high cho is more appropriate to taller khukuri throwers like me, as it makes for an easier sight picture without having to move my head. :)

Back to serious discussion - this may be one of our more controversial topics. Most (myself included) consider a creepy cho less visually appealing than one closer to the bolster. I am not convinced that it has any effect on durability, balance, or cutting ability and I have proved this to my own satisfaction in the past.

The chos appear to be heading back to the bolster these days. I think that this is a good thing.
 
Comparison photo.
Top is AK from Shop 1 (early days of HI).
Bottom is AK from 2003ish.
Note position of cho compared to end of handle. Even the Shop 1 AK has some creep compared to the historical examples. The bottom one is creeping waaaay out there IMHO. This also shows regular bolster versus habaki bolster on the bottom, which contributes to the change.

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Maybe cho creep is happening so that the kamis can sign the blades and protect our fingers. Still, between cho creep causing insanity, and the gaps in my chainmail rings causing earthquakes, I'm feeling a bit jumpy. 0.o

probly just too much tea this morning.
 
at one point
? last year
wasn't there a comment from Bura thru Bill
that the cho was further out
to keep us from cutting ourselves?

I'll search for that

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Oh, yeah, by the way...........
I've never ascribed to the cho as throwing-sight concept
Have you ever tried using it at night?
Doesn't work.

However,
it's quite dandy as a nail & staple puller.



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Not at night? I see you've never had a khukuri fitted with Tru-Glo Cho sights. Great for when you need to decapitate somebody in low-light situations.

The catching on the return can be a little sketchy though. ;)

I was never around the HI forum when there wasn't cho creep, but seeing enough historical khukuris shows me what it is. It is a shame that it has deviated over the years so much, and the fact that it is returning to true, although slowly, is a very positive step.

Travis
 
maybe we shall tell Yangdu about the cho creep................

that we like cho creep and the return and catch part.........so the Kamis can adjust for us..............

;)
 
Uncle Bill told us all we need to know about catching khukuri: don't close your hand around the sharp part. :thumbup:

(Isn't that is the safety thread? Should be. ;) )
 
Q: "What is `a cho creep' ? "
A: `a cho creep' is someone whom you are SURE is a creep.

(must get more coffee, ...or more sleep. I cho would've thought I'd be too ashamed to write this).
 
Astrodada said:
errrr..........guys.......how do you throw a 20" Ang Khola or a GRS ???

:confused:

Post some pics please................. ;) :D
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The smaller and lighter khuks like a Chitlangi you just throw like a knife or tomahawk overhand (this is play throwing, becuase they don't do much, kind of like throwing darts).

For models such as the Ang Khola, which is very choppy, you can't throw it overhand because the torque makes the blade spin so rapidly that the tip catches your hand which tends to stay in line with the arc during the follow through. There were photos of someone who got slit from wrist to pinky but I think they were taken down as they were kind of gross.

If you remember a while back, Yvsa mentioned chopping from inner to outer as a safe way to avoid the arc cutting down into your leg or getting your hand in the way. Take your right hand, make a fist and touch your thumb to your left hip and you'll see the starting position more or less. The khuk's blade would be extending from the thumb side of your fist.

To throw, you twist at the waist and swing from left to right releasing when your arm straightens. Because your arm naturally continues to rise, it gets your hand out of the way to keep it from being caught by the blade when it flips. The movement of your hips and shouder allow you to generate enough force to throw even a 30" Gelbu. This is known as snipe throwing or sniping (IIRC because it's one shot, one kill like a sniper).

There were some references to this in the archive, I think, though they might have been purged when some things were pared down to recover space. If you hunt for "snipe" in the archives you might find something more.
 
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