What is "overrated"..??

Robdude

Robdude

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I got in an argument the other day with someone.. it started when I mentioned how I felt a particular knife brand was somewhat overrated.. when he discovered that I like Busse..the argument was on, he said "if anyone is overrated its Busse"
Everyone is different, only that person can decide what is important to them in a knife and how much its worth to them..
However, if fans of a knife and the maker have formed a "halo" around a knife, yet at twice the price nothing can be shown to be superior to the competition but the "brand name" itself. That to me is overrated.

if a blade is shown to be superior in some way, it is completely up to the individual what that is worth to him or her...when that same superior quality is "not" worth the price to the next guy, to me that is called "to expensive" not overrated.
Busse has awesome attention to detail and construction but more importantly it offers materials that cannot be acquired elsewhere.. its qualities can be and are tested against the competition openly. This attracts a lot of people who are happy to pay higher prices and has given Busse a stellar reputation.
To me this is not "overrated".. what do you guys think? am I off base?
 
I know history, uniqueness, and collectability are important to some people.. but that was not the topic (in this case)
 
Hey,, the more people that think Busse is overrated,, the less I have to fight off at the trough... :D
 
I think a lot of it depends on how the knife is used. If all I was doing was gutting and skinning game, my Buck knives have always served me well and one in particular holds an edge under those conditions even better than my other knives. In that aspect I could see someone making a claim about a different knife being overrated BUT I damn sure won't be using tha Buck to baton any firewood. Would I break it? Maybe. Maybe not. I dont have enough faith in it to try it. With my Busse's I don't think twice about it. They aren't going to break doing a job like that. Fit and finish is another point. Should a $400+ dollar knife have a coating to cover machine marks while another less expensive (but high quality) knife doesn't? I guess that's where we make the decision of materials vs fit and finish.
 
AR vs AK vs FAL.

Same argument. I'll take the FAL, thanks. (Some of You guys in comm-bloc states may not get the reference)
 
littlehoot said:
I'll take the FAL, thanks.
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.... of course you will.

"Overrated" will always be VERY much an individual decision based around the personal needs/likes/wants/understanding of an individual. As long you that individual does not feel they have been violated in the carnal sense then all is good I suspect.
 
no I don't think you're off base at all.

Some knives and brands are just better than others. I don't think that Busse has made a claim that cannot be upheld. Take INFI for example. There are a lot of claims made about it; and to someone unfamiliar with the brand those claims may seem crazy. You and I and the other Busse owners know that it's all true. And there is a lot of competition out there. Even so, INFI lives up to its reputation and the claims made about it. And no one else has it. That makes Busse unique or special but certainly not overrated.

To the person not familiar with Busse he might tell me that "no steel can do that...how overrated..." Sometimes when people say that, it's due to sheer inexperience. Other times, they might feel foolish for being wrong. But when the things claimed are true, then it would be wrong to use the overrated label.

I'm rather new to INFI, but I have put it through its paces and I am quite pleased. I mean how many knives can process scrap metal and not take a ding even? Very few indeed. To me, that proves a claim about INFI that it is very tough for its hardness. One of many.

You are quite right that Busse is not overrated. As a matter of fact compared to other brands that put out ridiculous "proof" vids, the fact that Busse is eclectic in the sense that its reputation sells its knives more than a vid showing pig carcasses cut up, you could even argue that Busse is underrated (by some who are unfailiar with it)
 
I don't buy Busse for the name- I buy for the quality.

I suppose the "overrated" argument goes down to individual tastes and attitudes towards whatever it's being used for. Any knife will cut provided it has a good edge, but not all will keep said edge, or stand up to any measurable abuse. Took going through more cheap Gerber and Kershaw folders than I can remember to figure that one out. I don't have enough use in my day to day life to warrant most of the Fixed Blades that I now own (most all Bussekin), but I never have to worry about the knife failing me. Regardless of which one gets taken for the task at hand- I know full well it'll perform, and I'm confident it'll excell at whatever it's tasked with. I just can't say that about the cheapo Buck fixed blades and flea market no-names that a lot of guys carried in the field. They worked for them, because buying a few a year made sense to them, but I elected to spend a little more on a Randall, and eventually a bunch of Bussekin knives.

as for overrated- if the name means more than the performance, fit and finish, etc. then I think it'd be fair to call it overrated.
 
littlehoot said:
AR vs AK vs FAL.

Same argument. I'll take the FAL, thanks. (Some of You guys in comm-bloc states may not get the reference)
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Oh I get it lol, just can't have it :-( and I'd pick the FAL too
 
Busse's are expensive but the odd thing is I have seen plenty of knives go for around the same cost. I always wonder how they can keep a business going when your direct competition has the reputation that Busse has.
 
Andy the Aussie said:
.... of course you will.

"Overrated" will always be VERY much an individual decision based around the personal needs/likes/wants/understanding of an individual. As long you that individual does not feel they have been violated in the carnal sense then all is good I suspect.
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Et tu, Brutus?


And no offense meant.to the guys behind the.iron curtain. I own all three, I'm fortunate to live in a "free" state.

I do understand the "overrated" discussion. The.idea of "overrated" is subjective, and can be applied to anything
 
duramax said:
Oh I get it lol, just can't have it :-( and I'd pick the FAL too
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Superiority would fall in this order..if shtf
M14 (in my opinion the infi of rifles)
AK47
FAL
AR15
SKS
 
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Robdude said:
Superiority would fall in this order..
M14 (in my opinion the infi of rifles)
Ak47 (built correctly)
FAL
AR15
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Ah ha! See? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Andy (most likely) and I would argue the FAL as the superior rifle, vastly underrated in both accuracy and reliability.

Your experience, being different, would have you pick something different.

And there is the rub. We are each a collection of our experiences, so each of us place value according to our preferences.

There isn't really a wrong or right answer to the question.
 
littlehoot said:
Ah ha! See? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Andy (most likely) and I would argue the FAL as the superior rifle, vastly underrated in both accuracy and reliability.

Your experience, being different, would have you pick something different.

And there is the rub. We are each a collection of our experiences, so each of us place value according to our preferences.

There isn't really a wrong or right answer to the question.
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Lol..true.
I have shot an worked on a lot of each.. in the beginning I was like most other people AR15! AR15! AR15!... but once i started working on an with these rifles that all changed. I wasn't necessarily wowed by the M14 at first.. but after years of use... I can't believe what that rifle is capable of doing an still being that rock hard dependable. FAL is right up there to... they don't "make em like they used to" the amount of work that went into a real m14 is crazy.. hammer forged 8620 ...awesome!
 
"Back when" I had a (mostly) Winchester M14 (its been nearly 20 years but I recall it had some H&R parts as well) and a couple of my own (plus exposure to MANY others) SLRs, got to shoot both side by side for years and there is little secret about which I prefer ;) ;) and as littlehoot notes, it is the sum of an individual's experience that forms an opinion :D If it were not for differing opinions how boring would the internet be !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Andy the Aussie said:
"Back when" I had a (mostly) Winchester M14 (its been nearly 20 years but I recall it had some H&R parts as well) and a couple of my own (plus exposure to MANY others) SLRs, got to shoot both side by side for years and there is little secret about which I prefer ;) ;) and as littlehoot notes, it is the sum of an individual's experience that forms an opinion :D If it were not for differing opinions how boring would the internet be !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Very true...
 
Andy the Aussie said:
"Back when" I had a (mostly) Winchester M14 (its been nearly 20 years but I recall it had some H&R parts as well) and a couple of my own (plus exposure to MANY others) SLRs, got to shoot both side by side for years and there is little secret about which I prefer ;) ;) and as littlehoot notes, it is the sum of an individual's experience that forms an opinion :D If it were not for differing opinions how boring would the internet be !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I knew it! Andy prefers the Arisaka!
 
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