What is "overrated"..??

David Brown said:
Bring them to the shop we will make a believer out of them. Chop off and will tell them stories of how well Busse takes care of people.
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Honestly, the care and customer service means more to me than anything else. The knives are great (even if some designs aren't my cup of tea), but the company is fantastic.
 
I know from personal experience, not just hearsay/advertising/internet/wishful thinking/shtf fantasy/etc, that in real world hard use INFI is no joke.
Yes, I've gotten INFI edges to roll or dent, but nothing more even when other steels failed the same task, so to me it's definitely not overrated.
Even when I run out of bullets I can still count on my Busse(s), that's about all I need to know at this point, everyone else is free to do whatever floats their boat. ;)
It's funny how some opinions (like calling a proven product overrated) are reminiscent of flatulence... despite being unavoidable, no one else wishes/needs to hear or be around it. :yawn:
 
I managed to eff up my 1311's edge bad enough I thought I needed to contact home base. I got nothing but help from Renee and to this day I still don't know if they repaired or replaced my 1311, it is friggin amazing. I could/probably should have repaired it myself but they were the most helpful people ever. Busse, Survive!, ESEE, Becker, Fiddleback, T.M. Hunt.. any company that wants to be successful needs to look hard at what makes these guys amazing. It's all about the people and the caring IMO.

I'm an ESEE fan so I've gotta add though.. it's always helpful to have a guy like Mike Perrin who will say things like..

(supposed customer)Hi there, I purchased this knife off Amazon a month in advance for my friend's birthday. After he unwrapped it, we saw that the blade snapped without even using it. He touched the blade, and without much pressure, it snapped. Could you please help us with this? He got cut by the knife and there was quite a bit on the knife.

(Mike I don't give a fudge Perrin)
What bullshit.
If you have one of our knives that is damaged use the warranty found on our web site and send it in.
Mike Perrin

Humiliation has it's uses, fun times, and benefits.
 
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I feel that terms like "overrated" get used too many times in place of "can't afford it" or "have no need for that". All a personal choice. I have vehicles that cost lots of money. Do they get me where I need to be? Yes. Do they get me where I need to be any better than a cheaper vehicle would? Probably not. Are there cheaper vehicles that are capable of most of the same things? Yes. Does that make them overrated? To me, NO. Because I wanted it. Simple enough. Something is worth whatever I am willing to pay for it. It may very well not be worth that much to someone else.

I really hope that I am never in a situation where I need to "max out" one of my Busse knives. I do not tend to use knives that hard unless testing to see how far it will go. But it sure is nice to know that if the time ever comes I have the tool to get me out and I have no doubt that it can take it. My advice would be to take your friend out and let him try one. People put more faith in first hand experience. Let INFI speak for itself and see if he doesn't change his mind.

Garth
 
"Overrated" has a specific meaning; but the only way that meaning has any point is if one knows by what "rating" it is being judged. If they don't, then the conversation doesn't have any real meaning.

I think some folks here have already given the correct answer: it depends.

So, on what criteria are you rating it?
 
Garth Reckner said:
I feel that terms like "overrated" get used too many times in place of "can't afford it" or "have no need for that". All a personal choice. I have vehicles that cost lots of money. Do they get me where I need to be? Yes. Do they get me where I need to be any better than a cheaper vehicle would? Probably not. Are there cheaper vehicles that are capable of most of the same things? Yes. Does that make them overrated? To me, NO. Because I wanted it. Simple enough. Something is worth whatever I am willing to pay for it. It may very well not be worth that much to someone else.

I really hope that I am never in a situation where I need to "max out" one of my Busse knives. I do not tend to use knives that hard unless testing to see how far it will go. But it sure is nice to know that if the time ever comes I have the tool to get me out and I have no doubt that it can take it. My advice would be to take your friend out and let him try one. People put more faith in first hand experience. Let INFI speak for itself and see if he doesn't change his mind.

Garth
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Agreed, that's another good point.. "overrated" suggests that a something is being rated in comparison to "other somethings" If you have no experience with a blade, and some of the blades its being compared with.. dont call it "overrated" ....just be honest and say "I cant afford it" or "I don't want to pay that much"
seems to me that if a blade can be demonstrated repeatedly to out perform another.. it stands to reason it would "rate higher"...has nothing to do with what me or the next guy are "willing to pay" for it..
 
BlackKnight86 said:
"Overrated" has a specific meaning; but the only way that meaning has any point is if one knows by what "rating" it is being judged. If they don't, then the conversation doesn't have any real meaning.

I think some folks here have already given the correct answer: it depends.

So, on what criteria are you rating it?
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well..in this particular case it was the overall quality of the knife.. materials, build, sharpness, strength... not so much the "its a classic" or "its rare"
this knife had a rat tail tang, ok..but not great steel, construction was pretty nice. really the brand name is where they justify twice the cost. and at that same price point knives in the same category are full tang, great steels, awesome construction, ....think $400 $450 range
 
Garth Reckner said:
I feel that terms like "overrated" get used too many times in place of "can't afford it" or "have no need for that". All a personal choice. I have vehicles that cost lots of money. Do they get me where I need to be? Yes. Do they get me where I need to be any better than a cheaper vehicle would? Probably not. Are there cheaper vehicles that are capable of most of the same things? Yes. Does that make them overrated? To me, NO. Because I wanted it. Simple enough. Something is worth whatever I am willing to pay for it. It may very well not be worth that much to someone else.

I really hope that I am never in a situation where I need to "max out" one of my Busse knives. I do not tend to use knives that hard unless testing to see how far it will go. But it sure is nice to know that if the time ever comes I have the tool to get me out and I have no doubt that it can take it. My advice would be to take your friend out and let him try one. People put more faith in first hand experience. Let INFI speak for itself and see if he doesn't change his mind.

Garth
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What he said. This is my test knife. So far this CGFBM has handled 2 landscapers who used it hard, one trip to Washington St. for a whuppin', and a passaround tour in addition to my time beating her...10 years and counting. :thumbup:

Here's my goodwill Mistress after she returned home happy & dirty from her passaround travels :)
BUSSE-PassaroundCGFBM_HomeDirty_zps204aa956.jpg


So, what are we at? 10 years, $400 knife... $40 per year, still kickin' butt, unused warranty still covering this CGFBM...
Overrated? I think not. :D
 
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Garth Reckner said:
I feel that terms like "overrated" get used too many times in place of "can't afford it" or "have no need for that". All a personal choice. I have vehicles that cost lots of money. Do they get me where I need to be? Yes. Do they get me where I need to be any better than a cheaper vehicle would? Probably not. Are there cheaper vehicles that are capable of most of the same things? Yes. Does that make them overrated? To me, NO. Because I wanted it. Simple enough. Something is worth whatever I am willing to pay for it. It may very well not be worth that much to someone else.

I really hope that I am never in a situation where I need to "max out" one of my Busse knives. I do not tend to use knives that hard unless testing to see how far it will go. But it sure is nice to know that if the time ever comes I have the tool to get me out and I have no doubt that it can take it. My advice would be to take your friend out and let him try one. People put more faith in first hand experience. Let INFI speak for itself and see if he doesn't change his mind.

Garth
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^----- This is why I have far to many Busse knives :D including a couple that make the 82 mile daily commute with me.
God forbid I should ever have to push that INFI to the wall, but if I ever have to, I know I can count on it to save my bacon!! :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
Robdude said:
well..in this particular case it was the overall quality of the knife.. materials, build, sharpness, strength... not so much the "its a classic" or "its rare"
this knife had a rat tail tang, ok..but not great steel, construction was pretty nice. really the brand name is where they justify twice the cost. and at that same price point knives in the same category are full tang, great steels, awesome construction, ....think $400 $450 range
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Yes, but again, it's an individual thing. If a knife does it's job, then everything "more" or "better" is, technically, "extra". So the questions are very subjective, and they can only really be answered by each individual for himself.

I'll give you a non-knife example....pens. I will probably never buy a Mont Blanc pen. It's not that I can't afford it - many knives are as much if not more. It's not that I don't want to pay that much, or that it's not "worth the money" - I would gladly pay it if I wanted it. It's not that they are low quantity - I have a friend who has one, and it is a sweet piece of EDC. It's not that I wouldn't keep one if I was given it - I'd have no issues adding it to my collection.

Basically, my needs are met with the lowly Bic; and because I do not have the completely subjective driver of collectors' affinity for nice, well-made pens, it just never crosses my mind to buy one. I'm not sure how to classify that....some folks say that the "writing experience" is "so much better". Objectively speaking, it is; but to me, that classification has zero utility. Would I call that "overrated"? I guess it is to me; but I know that only has meaning to me and to others who feel similarly about pens. If another person felt about knives the way I feel about pens - and if their needs were met by their Green River knives- then sure.....I can see where they might use the word "overrated". But would it mean anything outside their opinion?
 
Jaxx said:
What he said. This is my test knife. So far this CGFBM has handled 2 landscapers who used it hard, one trip to Washington St. for a whuppin', and a passaround tour in addition to my time beating her...10 years and counting. :thumbup:

Here's my goodwill Mistress after she returned home happy & dirty from her passaround travels :)
BUSSE-PassaroundCGFBM_HomeDirty_zps204aa956.jpg


So, what are we at? 10 years, $400 knife... $40 per year, still kickin' butt, unused warranty still covering this CGFBM...
Overrated? I think not. :D
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So true. Beat it like a Gov't Mule.... But unlike the mule, the knife will live.... forever?

Sure, $40/yr is a value. But the age of the knife isn't the issue. These knives will outlive ALL OF US! The INFI will not degrade nearly as fast as our liver.


So to put it all in perspective. How much would you pay for a knife that will outlive you and probably your kids? Family heirloom???

I buy the best quality I can afford. Busse is a very good value in my mind.

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People who complain about something being overrated are the people who really like a particular item, but cannot afford it-Busse's are Bomb Proof-Period-Cheers
 
Beating/abusing a knife for ten years and it comes out looking like a rose. Superb...if that does not unravel your helix, nothing will. And to be certain, the INFI will outlive us as will most cutlery fashioned out of modern, high end stainless steel. As I've chimed in previously: the Mission blades may be here 5000 years from now.
 
an interesting thread here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1398950-Why-INFI?highlight=why+infi

Notable quote by a fella that knows his stuff... "3V has much better abrasive wear resistance, but that doesn't always translate into better edge retention because it can have that chippy mushy edge that the super steels often have. It can cut cardboard better than Infi, unless you're clacking against a hard cutting board at the end of the cut, and then Infi shines.

Those of use who have really optimized 3V have got it to equal the gross edge stability of Infi, which allows the better wear resistance of 3V to translate into better edge holding. But Infi will always have better gross toughness, so extremely rough use that is going to damage a knife will cause less damage to Infi."


All steel is a compromise. I find INFI to be the best compromise for my use. It easily guts, skins and processes furry critters. Many knives can gut and skin, but then going through the ribcage like a zipper... and still being able to skin the next one??? Not to mention batoning through knotty hardwoods. Not many knives can do that well. Infi does.

I'm a fanboy... because I've been doing this since I was 10. And infi does it better than anything I've found. Lots of great steels out there look great in a laboratory but don't hold up in real life.

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Very Informative and Interesting thread insert--Thanks
kdstrick said:
an interesting thread here: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1398950-Why-INFI?highlight=why+infi

Notable quote by a fella that knows his stuff... "3V has much better abrasive wear resistance, but that doesn't always translate into better edge retention because it can have that chippy mushy edge that the super steels often have. It can cut cardboard better than Infi, unless you're clacking against a hard cutting board at the end of the cut, and then Infi shines.

Those of use who have really optimized 3V have got it to equal the gross edge stability of Infi, which allows the better wear resistance of 3V to translate into better edge holding. But Infi will always have better gross toughness, so extremely rough use that is going to damage a knife will cause less damage to Infi."


All steel is a compromise. I find INFI to be the best compromise for my use. It easily guts, skins and processes furry critters. Many knives can gut and skin, but then going through the ribcage like a zipper... and still being able to skin the next one??? Not to mention batoning through knotty hardwoods. Not many knives can do that well. Infi does.

I'm a fanboy... because I've been doing this since I was 10. And infi does it better than anything I've found. Lots of great steels out there look great in a laboratory but don't hold up in real life.

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